Did Franchuck Force BYU's Hand?

SpiffCoug wrote:

Tough balance, but here is the issue I have with this story if Franchuk did force the issue. NO LAWS WERE BROKEN. Basically, it was an internal university policy that he chose to use to out a 19 year old kid. No public record on it because none existed. If it was a legal issue, I get that he has to run with it. It is public record. But it was a personal issue were no laws of the land were broken. Yes, a BYU internal policy may have been violated, but that is it. So Franchuk chose to stand on the back of a 19 year old kid in order to raise his own profile. I consider it shameless, if true. Seriously, writing an article that a 19 year old kid might have had sex with his girlfriend while at BYU is shameless. Absolutely shameless. And for a BYU Grad who understands the policy, even worse.

Franchuck is not a BYU grad. He went to Kansas. He doesn't even live in Provo or Utah Valley. He lives with his girlfriend up in SLC.

Is he having sex with her? :blush: :whistle:

tww wrote:



Is she having sex with him? If so, why? :blush: :whistle:

I know that with a little bit of coaxing that you can form a decent quesstion. :whistle:

urroner wrote:

Is she having sex with him? If so, why? :blush: :whistle:

I know that with a little bit of coaxing that you can form a decent quesstion. :whistle:

Ha! My bad. Thanks for catching that. What was I thinking?

tww wrote:

tww wrote:



Is she having sex with him? If so, why? :blush: :whistle:

I know that with a little bit of coaxing that you can form a decent quesstion. :whistle:

Ha! My bad. Thanks for catching that. What was I thinking?

Once again, you mean, what is she thinking?

hawkwing wrote:

urroner wrote:

Is she having sex with him? If so, why? :blush: :whistle:

I know that with a little bit of coaxing that you can form a decent quesstion. :whistle:

Ha! My bad. Thanks for catching that. What was I thinking?

Once again, you mean, what is she thinking?

Apparently, tww needs a lot of help forming meaningful questions, :lol: :lol: :P :P :P

urroner wrote:

If this is true I am disgusted, not only at Franchuck, but at BYU for a reactionary move. If they suspended while he was working on things with his bishop, without a recommendation from the bishop to do so; then this is one of the worst things I have heard of, and I will lose a lot of respect for the TH and anyone that had a decision in this.

I find it interesting that you accuse Franchuck and BYU for being reactionary and then you also accuse a bishop or two of doing the same thing, but BIB, are you not also being reactionary to what has happened without having a working knowledge of what happened rather than conjecture and rumors?

Nope. Notice how everything in that quote starts with the word IF.



I do not have a working knowledge of what happened. I never claimed to. And I never accused anyone of anything. I am saying that IF this is what happened, then that is what my opinion of the matter is.



SEE: if/then statements ;)



I'm not sure if you got around to the last paragraph of my post, but I'll put it here for you just in case you missed it:

and I'm not saying the bishop overstepped his bounds in this case. But if this is true it's clear that someone did, and that is unacceptable. Hopefully we can figure out who it was, and they will have to go through the same kinds of things Brandon has had to go through (if any/all of this is true)

BlueIsBetter wrote:
and I'm not saying the bishop overstepped his bounds in this case. But if this is true it's clear that someone did, and that is unacceptable. Hopefully we can figure out who it was, and they will have to go through the same kinds of things Brandon has had to go through (if any/all of this is true)

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This is what lends me to believe that Davies had been working with his bishop previously. When the bishop inquired for an update last week, it became clear that the current approach was not changing the behavior. I think the bishop may have encouraged BD to go to the HCO and report his indiscretions. I think the "open hand" approach that hacks like Monson are calling for was being applied but was no longer working so the approach had to change.



Hopefully now the behavior will change and BD can return to the team and begin/continue living the way he should - which is living the gospel and it's commandments.

urroner wrote:

tww wrote:

tww wrote:



Is she having sex with him? If so, why? :blush: :whistle:

I know that with a little bit of coaxing that you can form a decent quesstion. :whistle:

Ha! My bad. Thanks for catching that. What was I thinking?

Once again, you mean, what is she thinking?

Apparently, tww needs a lot of help forming meaningful questions, :lol: :lol: :P :P :P

I could have used your help when I was single.

tww wrote:

hawkwing wrote:

urroner wrote:

Is she having sex with him? If so, why? :blush: :whistle:

I know that with a little bit of coaxing that you can form a decent quesstion. :whistle:

Ha! My bad. Thanks for catching that. What was I thinking?

Once again, you mean, what is she thinking?

Apparently, tww needs a lot of help forming meaningful questions, :lol: :lol: :P :P :P

I could have used your help when I was single.

Is that because you couldn't figure out how to ask a meaningful question, so she had to propose to you? :D :D

bigbluepuma wrote:

I could have used your help when I was single.

Is that because you couldn't figure out how to ask a meaningful question, so she had to propose to you? :D :D

:lol: :lol: :lol: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:



tww, apparently we aren't going to show you much mercy, but then again, I sure don't get much around here.

I want to see some more facts on this before I judge Franchuk. If he did force their hand then he should step up and take credit for it.



I've got to go all Mike Gundy on this. Davies is a 19 year old, and yet (according to this story line) Franchuk, the grown man thinks Brandon's mistakes need to make national news, but then Franchuk wouldn't take credit for it. If he did it, then he needs to man up and acknowledge it, like Davies.

Isola wrote:
I want to see some more facts on this before I judge Franchuk. If he did force their hand then he should step up and take credit for it.



I've got to go all Mike Gundy on this. Davies is a 19 year old, and yet (according to this story line) Franchuk, the grown man thinks Brandon's mistakes need to make national news, but then Franchuk wouldn't take credit for it. If he did it, then he needs to man up and acknowledge it, like Davies.

Not going to happen in this case. Franchuk "manning up" and taking credit would result in a mass boycott of an already struggling publication. Franchuk and his editor fully comprehend that. Last thing they want is the Daily Herald to get Jimmered by millions of disgruntled BYU fans, their largest source of traffic/revenue.



I was talking to a friend of mine about this last night. If Franchuk did force/accelerate the situation with BYU I imagine it went down something like this:



BYU got a call from Franchuk (Carri Jenkins has admitted as much they got a call from a journalist) and the person who answered the call confirmed the rumor; consequently, giving Franchuck the 3rd party source he needed for his story. However, BYU knew they had a bit of wiggle room while Franchuk filed his story; so, BYU threw together a statement and released it before Franchuk's story broke, thus not giving Franchuk and the Daily Herald the satisfaction of scooping everyone while also making it look more like BYU was on top of the situation.



The fact a statement was released Tuesday night is fishy to me. The only time in my experience that I have ever released statements at odd times of the day/night is when I've had to. Releasing such a statement would give cause for the phones to immediately start ringing at BYU's comm department. If given a choice, every comm professional would choose to handle those calls during regular working hours according to their watch. If it was a controlled release, BYU would have had the luxury of putting out the statement during regular working hours.