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Honor Code

by BigCougsFan · 4/17/2010

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Italics
snoscythe wrote:
snoscythe wrote:
My wife works on the honor code committee and is one of the people who reviews the cases and makes a decision if they should be re-admitted.


But at a completely different school. You might want to clarify for everyone that you are referring to a school in a completely different state when you tell them that your wife "works on the honor code committee."


The HC works the same way. If you really want to try and argue differences - the main one would be that BYU-Provo is less strict. Which leads me to ask - what's your point? Unless you're just trying to strengthen my argument, which you've done a splendid job at so far by pointing out the ways in which one can dance around the Honor Code.


Just pointing out that you are willing to mislead to buttress your arguments.


Where is your reading comprehension?



The HC is the same. I'll point out again - lest you missed it - that you DO want to argue differences - it would be that the HC at Provo is less strict than the one at Rexburg. How is this misleading? It works the exact same way.



If anyone is being misleading, it is you in your attempt to make it look like we are dealing with two different things. We are not. And if you DO want to point out that things are more lenient at Provo, than you are only strengthening my argument. If your posts are an attempt to give me the upper-hand in this debate, you are doing a great job.
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Schmoe
Is it the same? What about wearing shorts?
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Lawboy
I don't think short had anything to do with it. Unless we are talking about pants on the ground....
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snoscythe
Italics wrote:
Italics wrote:
Italics wrote:
My wife works on the honor code committee and is one of the people who reviews the cases and makes a decision if they should be re-admitted.


But at a completely different school. You might want to clarify for everyone that you are referring to a school in a completely different state when you tell them that your wife "works on the honor code committee."


The HC works the same way. If you really want to try and argue differences - the main one would be that BYU-Provo is less strict. Which leads me to ask - what's your point? Unless you're just trying to strengthen my argument, which you've done a splendid job at so far by pointing out the ways in which one can dance around the Honor Code.


Just pointing out that you are willing to mislead to buttress your arguments.


Where is your reading comprehension?



The HC is the same. I'll point out again - lest you missed it - that you DO want to argue differences - it would be that the HC at Provo is less strict than the one at Rexburg. How is this misleading? It works the exact same way.



If anyone is being misleading, it is you in your attempt to make it look like we are dealing with two different things. We are not. And if you DO want to point out that things are more lenient at Provo, than you are only strengthening my argument. If your posts are an attempt to give me the upper-hand in this debate, you are doing a great job.


Yeah, people who play fast and loose with the truth always have the upper hand. You were trying to sound more in the loop than you really are, and you got called on it. Just apologize and move on.
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Sammich
Italics wrote:
And no, I have never been kicked out of a church institution, let alone even so much as ever spoken to someone who works on the honor code committee, I just recognize absurdity when I see it. I guess it's hard for me to imagine any situation when the best thing for a struggling youth (whether it's continual struggling, or a one-time thing where they slipped up) is to have their education pulled, be humiliated, and most likely be put somewhere where it will be easier to sin. But maybe some of you can explain to me why that's a good thing.

I can think of several scenarios in which pulling the ecclesiastical endorsement is a "good" thing:



1. When the person is pulling others down with him/her. We all know someone like this, who is more likely to negatively affect his/her peers than to be positively effected by them. However, this is not necessarily that common.



2. When pulling the endorsement can act as the "kick in the pants" the person needs. This would only work in cases where the person was not taking prior attempts to repent seriously, or where going to BYU is extremely important to them.



3. When the offense is public and/or the person committing the offense is a very visible person. Let's face it---public mistakes, indiscretion, sins, whatever you want to call them, are different than private ones and often need different steps taken to "clear them up." I'm not saying this is the case for Harvey of course, I'm just pointing out another case in which pulling the endorsement might be necessary regardless of personal efforts toward repentance.
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I just want Harvey & the young lady to work things out, recover, heal, mend, and move forward in a positive way. Hopefully - they have lots of love to help them through this ordeal.
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Mars


1. Having pre-marital sex at BYU doesn't always get you kicked out. It's a case-by-case basis.

2. There are even girls at BYU who have had children out of wedlock and are later readmitted after going through the repentance process.



Harvey himself wasn't even kicked out of BYU. And if he wanted back in, he would just need his bishop's approval. Hopefully after making a very bad decision he is making better decisions for himself now.
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Schmoe
I think we all have grown to love and support Harvey Unga over the years. He has a great, positive personality and we all want what's best for him, but it doesn't make him exempt from the rules, and he obviously knows that as he is being mature and proactive in his own repentance process by choosing to withdraw instead of waiting to be forced out.
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Mars
Schmoe wrote:
he is being mature and proactive in his own repentance process by choosing to withdraw instead of waiting to be forced out
How so? I've heard other people say this, and I have no idea why. It seems to me to be the least mature thing he could have done.



Just curious.
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Schmoe
Mars wrote:
he is being mature and proactive in his own repentance process by choosing to withdraw instead of waiting to be forced out
How so? I've heard other people say this, and I have no idea why. It seems to me to be the least mature thing he could have done.



Just curious.


I'm of the opinion that if you know that you've done something wrong and you are the one who owns up to it that the repentance process will be smoother. It's mature to recognize when you've done something wrong and to take the proper steps to correct it as opposed to waiting to see if you get caught and only dealing with it then. One man's opinion, take it for what it's worth.
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kiwibacon
Schmoe wrote:
One man's opinion, take it for what it's worth.

Two.
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urroner
kiwibacon wrote:
One man's opinion, take it for what it's worth.

Two.


kiwibacon, just between the two of us, Schmoe isn't a man. He thinks lacrosse is a sport!! ;) :whistle: :P
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Ddawg
Schmoe wrote:
Is it the same? What about wearing shorts?


As long as we're inquiring - what about "Flip-Flops"??????

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imuakahuku
And can someone answer this, does Harry Reid have a temple recommend? :utard:
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Brayden Green
imuakahuku wrote:
And can someone answer this, does Harry Reid have a temple recommend? :utard:


Or will any of us, now that our tax $ are going to fund abortions. :sick:
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Ddawg
imuakahuku wrote:
And can someone answer this, does Harry Reid have a temple recommend? :utard:


Good heavens!!!! I just threw up in my mouth!!!! He probably does. However, he needs to be flogged w/ a large wet towel (IMHO).



I did talk to someone last year that was an intern in Washington D.C. They said they would see him @ Church on Sunday. Believe it or not - they said he was pleasant & personable. Uggghhh!!!! I'm sorry - I detest his political positions. He drives me to drinking (Diet Dr. Pepper that is).

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Mars
Schmoe wrote:
Schmoe wrote:
he is being mature and proactive in his own repentance process by choosing to withdraw instead of waiting to be forced out
How so? I've heard other people say this, and I have no idea why. It seems to me to be the least mature thing he could have done. Just curious.
I'm of the opinion that if you know that you've done something wrong and you are the one who owns up to it that the repentance process will be smoother. It's mature to recognize when you've done something wrong and to take the proper steps to correct it as opposed to waiting to see if you get caught and only dealing with it then.

1- What makes you think Unga turned himself in, instead of him being caught? I've heard the opposite.



2- What makes you think dropping out of school and avoiding discipline is the proper step to correct it, as opposed to facing official discipline like a man?



Like I said before, I've seen nothing to back up the popular opinion that Harvey is doing anything mature or proactive here. It could just as easily be the opposite. But I don't know all the facts, and neither do you.
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Schmoe
Mars wrote:
But I don't know all the facts, and neither do you. [/color]


Yep, and I choose to believe the best about people who have not given me reason to do otherwise, and I'll continue to do so unless "the facts" prove me wrong.
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urroner
Mars wrote:
2- What makes you think dropping out of school and avoiding discipline is the proper step to correct it, as opposed to facing official discipline like a man?


Avoiding discipline is not always a bad thing, but do you think he's avoiding the consequences of his actions?



When a person goes before a judge and pleads guilty, is the person avoiding "discipline?"
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Dcr36
imuakahuku wrote:
And can someone answer this, does Harry Reid have a temple recommend? :utard:


I have a relative who worked as a temple worker in LV. She said not only did she see Sen. Reid there, but she saw him pretty dang often. Granted, this was a while ago, but I don't really like speculating about the activity of LDS public figures (for the same reason that I DO feel sorry that possibly hundreds of thousands of people have discussed Harvey Unga's fornication in the last 48 hours.)



In response to the thread: I like the honor code, but I do hate how it's been somewhat misconstrued not only here, but in some of the press coverage concerning Unga's departure. Within my immediate sphere of friends, the HC was pretty forgiving. Freshman year, I had a friend who got caught doing some pretty outrageous stuff (not just by BYU standards), and the powers that be gave him a reasonable discipline process that would allow him to stay at BYU. (Worth noting, though: he didn't take it and voluntarily left the school the next semester.)
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