New Big 12 - Do we want in?

It sounds like the new rumor is that if OU, OSU, UT, and TT go to the Pac 16 that the remaining Big 12 and Big East football schools would join to keep the Big 12 alive. It's rumored that Uconn and Rutgers also could get taken by the ACC and West Virginia gets taken by the SEC. Assuming there are no more Big East teams stolen by the ACC or SEC it would look like this:



Baylor

Missouri

Kansas

Kansas State

Iowa State

South Florida

Louisville

Cincinnati

TCU



Maybe:

Uconn

Rutgers

West Virginia



It sounds like Notre Dame will likely end up in the ACC if super conferences happen, so the ACC may wait to get to 16 so that they have a spot for Notre Dame instead of taking both Uconn and Rutgers. West Virginia is probably gone to the SEC as soon as Texas A&M gets past the law suits. My guess is Rutgers ends up not getting an invite to the ACC so this is probably a ten team league.



If invited, should BYU consider joining this group? Is it better than independent in the super conference era? Would this conference have the same standing as the other super conferences? If not, would this conference have a better standing than a combined Mtn West and Conference USA football conference?



If you add Boise State does it make it more desirable to join? Would they consider Boise State?

If you then add Houston, Tulsa, SMU, Air Force etc to make it a 16 team league do we want in? What other option do we have?



What four schools is the Big 10 going to end up taking to get to 16?



http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6993604/big-east-big-12-talking-possible-merger-sources-say

Rumor this morning is that W. VA has been turned down by SEC and ACC and has notified Big Easy it will stay put. According to rumor and unsubstantiated sources, of course.



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Would this new Big 12 want BYU if it was football only? BYU might be interested in that if they could keep their other sports in the WCC.

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This is from a West Virginia news source. Neither the ACC nor the SEC want West Virginia.

BYU should watch Notre Dame. If Notre Dame jumps to a conference, BYU should go all out in trying to hop back in. But BYU would do well to look at football only options. BYU's new relationship with the WCC is going to be strong on many different levels, many of which do not involve sports, but that are more important to BYU and the Church.



I still think there is a decent chance that Texas goes independent. If that's the case, BYU would be in a sweet position to develop long term relationships with Texas, Army, and Navy. With Notre Dame already in the mix, those 4 schools could provide a nice foundation for October and November scheduling.



BYU should only consider a football only Big XII/Big East membership if Texas stays (but OKlahoma and OSU bolt).

A resounding YES from me. I think that is a fairly solid conference that we should join and would be fun, challenging schedule that would get us all over the US.



I think a conference with those names would get respect and would have access to the national championship which, itself, will help strengthen the conference over time.



Plus, it will be better to get in NOW at the start so that our influence is set from the beginning rather than trying to join later and implement things like Sunday play rule, tv network, etc.



This is a no brainer, and I'd be excited about the future schedule in a conference that looked like this.

PS...that would also be a VERY solid b-ball conference.

Yes. Without delay.



Let's see. If BYU was in the Big 12 this year, going 1-2 OOC would not be an issue, as BYU could still win the conference and get into a BCS game.

I say take it and move everything. Sorry to the WCC but BYU and the WCC is not a match made in heaven. Tell me players would rather meet Gonzaga, St Mary's and play in a lot of high school gyms or play Kansas, Cinn., Marquette, etc every year. Hands down take it. And get into a BCS conference so you have the chance of moving into a super conf down the road (SEC or Big 10).

88Coug wrote:
Yes. Without delay.



Let's see. If BYU was in the Big 12 this year, going 1-2 OOC would not be an issue, as BYU could still win the conference and get into a BCS game.

you typically only see teams reach the BCS that manage to score more than 1 TD per game.

A couple of points of clarification. The Big 12 would continue to exist, would not be a new conference. I'd assume their current rules would remain in place, but with Texas gone they might make a rule against schools having their own network.



The Big East teams would be leaving their conference and joining the Big 12. The Big East would continue to exist as a basketball conference so we wouldn't be playing Marquette, St. John's etc in basketball. However, the Big 12 would still be a very good basketball conference with Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville.



If Texas ends up deciding to stay if OU and OSU bolt to the Pac 14 they may push hard for us to join in order to have an ally to promote schools having their own networks.

Right now I'm almost convinced that BYU needs to get into a conference or get some sort of assurances from the BCS sooner rather than later.



If those schools stay together if 4 more jump ship, that only leaves 5 original members of the Big 12. The rules state that I believe six schools have to be together for a few years in order to retain BCS status.

Big XII or BUST. I think it stays together, and OU and Texas are now battling out concessions. Crazy stuff. Beebe goes, Texas agrees to revenue split and OU stays. That simple. Question is, will the greed and ego of Texas agree to it?

sadly, yes. we havent yet seen the fall-out of this utah loss and another likely on friday (sorry guys). so if we are going to bury ourselves in indy vs a conference, probably better buried in this hybrid, leftovers conference.

dmcougar wrote:
sadly, yes. we havent yet seen the fall-out of this utah loss and another likely on friday (sorry guys). so if we are going to bury ourselves in indy vs a conference, probably better buried in this hybrid, leftovers conference.

I don't think the Utah loss really hurts us that much. The Big XII will look at BYU in terms of market forces, not in terms of football performance. You may have seen the NYTimes article that ranked BYU 43rd (I believe) for total fan support. That is better than 8 of the PAC-12 schools (including Utah) and better than 3 of the Big XII schools. Probably close to the same for a number of other Big XII schools.



If BYU remains on the outside looking in, it could get ugly...including independent scheduling.



That is why winning immediately is so important. Not for the sake of the football program tradition, but to keep our fan base interested enough to tune in.

88Coug wrote:
Yes. Without delay.



Let's see. If BYU was in the Big 12 this year, going 1-2 OOC would not be an issue, as BYU could still win the conference and get into a BCS game.

It would still be an angst issue for sure, as it would show some definite weaknesses in the team.

Lawboy wrote:
Big XII or BUST. I think it stays together, and OU and Texas are now battling out concessions. Crazy stuff. Beebe goes, Texas agrees to revenue split and OU stays. That simple. Question is, will the greed and ego of Texas agree to it?

And then does BYU get an invite? Or does the Big 12 look to the Big East schools instead? Or does ND have a change of heart due to all of this turmoil...



Too many possibilities, no substance.



Let me know when its all over.

Does BYU get an invite, or do they finally act on the invite they have discussed? That is the question. The Big XII needs to get to 12, which means adding 3. BYU has to top that list, and next comes Louisville and then a BE team. Obviously, the ship has sailed for Pitt, so the Big XII has already mucked this up.

Lawboy wrote:
Does BYU get an invite, or do they finally act on the invite they have discussed? That is the question. The Big XII needs to get to 12, which means adding 3. BYU has to top that list, and next comes Louisville and then a BE team. Obviously, the ship has sailed for Pitt, so the Big XII has already mucked this up.

Assuming this is true (fingers crossed), why not AFA over another school from the BEast? I can't think of one that would make sense other than Louisville - maybe WVU? But the rest? I'd pass.

CougarClaw wrote:

Yes. Without delay.



Let's see. If BYU was in the Big 12 this year, going 1-2 OOC would not be an issue, as BYU could still win the conference and get into a BCS game.

you typically only see teams reach the BCS that manage to score more than 1 TD per game.

But it still gives you something to play for.