Saw this on Rumorboard.

It pretty much sums up my feellings to a degree. I'm getting real close to selling my Bronco stock.

I've completely lost faith in Bronco as HC. He's always done things that I thought were a little extreme, but I always gave him the benefit of the doubt and defended him when others ripped on his methods.



With his Pharisees and Sadducees comment, however, I finally admitted to myself that what others have been saying about him is true and that is that Bronco has got his job description backwards. He was hired to teach kids how to play football in a spiritual environment, but he seems to think he's supposed to teach spirituality in a football environment. I pay my tithing, offerings, general fund donations, etc. to help support the big picture missions of the Church and BYU. I pay my Cougar Club donations to help BYU gain a competitive advantage in athletic competition. If I'm sitting in General Conference, I expect everyone to be focused on spirituality; if I'm in a Cougar Club meeting in September, football better darn well be the #1 topic of the day. I'm starting to wonder who it is who really has their priorities a little messed up.



Then came the game last night. For the last several years, I've been troubled by the apparent lack of mental fortitude demonstrated by BYU teams when facing adversity, but I convinced myself that it was anomalous and did not represent systemic weaknesses. The occasional flashes of brilliance gave me hope for a bright future. Last night, I watched a team that made mental error after mental error and then completely gave up. Even Bronco admitted that that is an indication of coaching failure.



I'm not ready to call for Bronco's head yet, but he's actually going to have to make some real changes in philosophy and approach to earn back the loyalty from me he once enjoyed. That makes me really sad to say, but that's unfortunately the truth.

We had games like this under Lavell.

Bronco is not the problem. But he sure better address it quickly.



This much I do know- he knows what's going on much better than I do.

Sounds like Spiff is a cougar club member...



Vote with your feet...or your money...and quit donating to BYU sports.

bigbluepuma wrote:
We had games like this under Lavell.

We did have games like this and I sold my stock in Lavell about three years before he retired.

CAFB_04-12 wrote:
Sounds like Spiff is a cougar club member...



Vote with your feet...or your money...and quit donating to BYU sports.

Not a CC member. And see no real reason to join. I'm a BYU fan. I'm not about to sell my BYU stock, just my Bronco stock. I'll still go to the games.

The Pharisees and Sadducee comment was insensitive and stupid of Bronco. The guy clearly makes mistakes, as we all do, but this is one of the biggest blunders I've ever seen. Unless the rest of you are okay with being likened to the people who murdered Christ. I honestly believe Bronco should issue an apology.

SpiffCoug wrote:

Sounds like Spiff is a cougar club member...



Vote with your feet...or your money...and quit donating to BYU sports.

Not a CC member. And see no real reason to join. I'm a BYU fan. I'm not about to sell my BYU stock, just my Bronco stock. I'll still go to the games.

So, with nothing more than emotion invested, I don't see what your problem is. Besides Bronco hurting your feelings with his comments.

hawkwing wrote:
The Pharisees and Sadducee comment was insensitive and stupid of Bronco. The guy clearly makes mistakes, as we all do, but this is one of the biggest blunders I've ever seen. Unless the rest of you are okay with being likened to the people who murdered Christ. I honestly believe Bronco should issue an apology.

Bronco wants to coach and teach in a vacuum. He's said things like this before, probably because he doesn't accept criticism from non-football savvy people well.



I thought the Romans murdered Christ...

I am an entry level Cougar Club member, which means I don't get invited to luncheons. I donate money because BYU football isn't about winning alone. It is about winning the right way. Part of football is losing. Another part of football is winning, and it can be done in many ways and for various costs (Ohio St, Auburn, Miami come to mind). But I'd rather be losing the right way than winning the wrong way, which I why is give BYU sports my money.



Winning will happen because Bronco Mendenhall, while probably not an elite coach in the world of college football--where money can buy the best coaches and players available--is exactly what the Church wants at BYU right now. As long as he produces quality football teams and wins (which he has consistently for years now) he will have my support and my money.



But for those of you who would like to see BYU football win at any cost, I suppose you can let your Legacy Cougar Club memberships expire. I'm not above criticizing the players for poor play and coaches for poor coaching (both happened on Saturday), but I also try to be rational in life and not over-react to something that doesn't really impact my family or my way of life.



Carry on....

Ok so we get rid of Bronco.....who replaces him? Could it get worse? Is that possible?

I'm not calling for his head. I'm just saying that his stock is dropping in my estimation.

SpiffCoug wrote:
I'm not calling for his head. I'm just saying that his stock is dropping in my estimation.

Ditto.



You start 1 and 2 FIVE times out of 7 seasons, and I think it is only fair to start questioning a teams preparation.



We are the 9th worst scoring team in all of college football on opening day in the Mendenhall Era.

p.s. what is the "Pharisees and Sadducees" comment? I listened to the post game comments and didn't catch that.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

I'm not calling for his head. I'm just saying that his stock is dropping in my estimation.

Ditto.



You start 1 and 2 FIVE times out of 7 seasons, and I think it is only fair to start questioning a teams preparation.



We are the 9th worst scoring team in all of college football on opening day in the Mendenhall Era.

Agreed.

BlueIsBetter wrote:
p.s. what is the "Pharisees and Sadducees" comment? I listened to the post game comments and didn't catch that.

I don't think it was a post game comment. I believe it came during a mid-week Cougar Club luncheon.



I can definitely see both sides. I'm not a huge Bronco guy. That said, I can see why decision makers are pleased with the overall direction he's got the program heading.

SpiffCoug wrote:

SpiffCoug wrote:
I'm not calling for his head. I'm just saying that his stock is dropping in my estimation.

Ditto.



You start 1 and 2 FIVE times out of 7 seasons, and I think it is only fair to start questioning a teams preparation.



We are the 9th worst scoring team in all of college football on opening day in the Mendenhall Era.

Agreed.

What the average ranking after those seasons?

declocoug wrote:

BlueIsBetter wrote:

I'm not calling for his head. I'm just saying that his stock is dropping in my estimation.

Ditto.



You start 1 and 2 FIVE times out of 7 seasons, and I think it is only fair to start questioning a teams preparation.



We are the 9th worst scoring team in all of college football on opening day in the Mendenhall Era.

Agreed.

What the average ranking after those seasons?

After those games? I have no idea. That is a lot of data to compute.



I would imagine pretty good, as we have gone 10-2 and 11-2 in most of those years. And most of those wins in the last 5-8 years have been on the offense, with a little help from the defense.

Point made.

CAFB_04-12 wrote:
I am an entry level Cougar Club member, which means I don't get invited to luncheons. I donate money because BYU football isn't about winning alone. It is about winning the right way. Part of football is losing. Another part of football is winning, and it can be done in many ways and for various costs (Ohio St, Auburn, Miami come to mind). But I'd rather be losing the right way than winning the wrong way, which I why is give BYU sports my money.



Winning will happen because Bronco Mendenhall, while probably not an elite coach in the world of college football--where money can buy the best coaches and players available--is exactly what the Church wants at BYU right now. As long as he produces quality football teams and wins (which he has consistently for years now) he will have my support and my money.



But for those of you who would like to see BYU football win at any cost, I suppose you can let your Legacy Cougar Club memberships expire. I'm not above criticizing the players for poor play and coaches for poor coaching (both happened on Saturday), but I also try to be rational in life and not over-react to something that doesn't really impact my family or my way of life.



Carry on....

I'm also the lowest CC member, bronze, (OK, maybe student memberships are cheaper) and I get the email invitations regularly for the Utah County luncheons. The coaches and students are great to listen to. I usually bring a friend from work, as I'm also allowed to bring someone with. And first 300 get a free lunch too. If you have a cc card, you get in. Let me know if you want me to forward you the emails. The next luncheon is mid-October. They usually have two coaches and a student or two. This last one had Bronco and Ed Eystone (former Olympian, men's Cross country coach) and Miles Batty, college national champion distance runner.