64 teams, Are we in or out?

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I didn't see this posted by anyone else, but this is a pretty good article. I know that they are just sportswriters and/or tv/radio guys. But it was very nice to see our name amongst the names of the schools that will be in one of the big superconferences if it happens.

trueblue72 wrote:
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I didn't see this posted by anyone else, but this is a pretty good article. I know that they are just sportswriters and/or tv/radio guys. But it was very nice to see our name amongst the names of the schools that will be in one of the big superconferences if it happens.

It depends upon what principles are used to organize the super conferences. If overall performance over any period of time (5 years, 10 years, 20 years) is used, then easily we would make it in,



If the organization is built upon conference autonomy and market forces, then it depends on what happens with the Big 12, geographic considerations, and political forces.



If it is the latter, the Big 12 implodes with no new conference in its stead, and Notre Dame joins the Big10, I think we are out.

Name one scenario where we are in and I will believe that we would be in. I don't see one unless the government stepped in and blew the whole thing up.

Oh my hell, read them Damn article! All I said was it was nice to see the media putting us in. Never said it would happen or under which scenarios it would happen. My hell, people a post of an article that gives us faithful cougs some hope and all the pissed off rileyites come on here with their pessimistic attitude. Cheer up or get off CC.



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Here's a scenario. There are currently 67 BCS teams (to be 68 next year when TCU joins the Big East). The Big 12 implodes. Not all 10 of those teams are as valuable to a super conference as BYU would be. Before the Big 12 teams find new homs, the BCS is now down to 58 teams. Let's say the Big East also dies and the SEC, B1G, ACC and PAC12 fight to become the 4 16-team super conferences. With the Big East dying there are no only 49 BCS teams. They need to add 15 teams to get up to 64. Those 15 teams will come from the 10 left in the Big 12 and 9 in the Big East. Throw Boise into the mix and BYU needs to be more valuable than about 6 teams to be included.



You tell me if you think BYU is worth more money (fans in the stands, product on the field, and eyeballs on tv) than six of the following:

Texas

Texas Tech

Oklahoma

Oklahoma St

Kansas

Kansas St

Missouri

Baylor

Iowa St

Cincinnait

Pittsburgh

Louisville

South Florida

West Virginia

Connecticut

Rutgers

Syracuse

Boise State

TCU



I think BYU is worth more to a super conference than the following programs:

Boise St

TCU

Rutgers

Iowa St

Baylor

Kansas St

Connecticut

South Florida

Texas Tech

It will be tough to make the 64 this year without Jimmer. Maybe we sneak in on the bubble with the expanded field of 68.

SpiffCoug wrote:
I think BYU is worth more to a super conference than the following programs:

Boise St

TCU

Rutgers

Iowa St

Baylor

Kansas St

Connecticut

South Florida

Texas Tech

While I don't necessarily agree with the logic, I think conferences will find Rutgers, UConn, and USF are valuable because they are the primary school in potentially large (-ish) TV markets.



That makes the list of team less attractive than BYU as:

BSU

TCU

Iowa State

Baylor

Kansas State

Texas Tech



I could very easily see one of those schools getting in ahead of BYU simply because (1) a conference doesn't want to deal with scheduling issues, (2) state political forces, or (3) recent quality of football team. I think BYU is by no means a slam dunk.

But there are other teams in those markets that can bring you the markets USF and UConn and Rutgers would.



You don't need to add USF to a super conference, because you'd already have Florida covered with Miami, Florida and Florida St.



You don't need to get UConn or Rutgers, because Connecticut and New Jersey aren't markets that aren't already covered by Boston and New York who mostly follow Notre Dame, Boston College and Syracuse.



If BYU is in one of those conferences how would scheduling be an issue for BYU.

SpiffCoug wrote:
But there are other teams in those markets that can bring you the markets USF and UConn and Rutgers would.



You don't need to add USF to a super conference, because you'd already have Florida covered with Miami, Florida and Florida St.



You don't need to get UConn or Rutgers, because Connecticut and New Jersey aren't markets that aren't already covered by Boston and New York who mostly follow Notre Dame, Boston College and Syracuse.



If BYU is in one of those conferences how would scheduling be an issue for BYU.

Me thinks scheduling issues was secret code for Sunday Play in other sports



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SpiffCoug wrote:
But there are other teams in those markets that can bring you the markets USF and UConn and Rutgers would.



You don't need to add USF to a super conference, because you'd already have Florida covered with Miami, Florida and Florida St.



You don't need to get UConn or Rutgers, because Connecticut and New Jersey aren't markets that aren't already covered by Boston and New York who mostly follow Notre Dame, Boston College and Syracuse.



If BYU is in one of those conferences how would scheduling be an issue for BYU.

the most densly populated state in the country doesn't care about UConn, Notre Dame, BC or Syracuse. When Rutgers was good a couple of years ago, the NJ Turnpike had "Go Rutgers" on the traffic billboards which has never happened before or since, and if I remember correctly, the empire state building went all red for the game as well.



Not to say the rest of your points aren't quite valid, just saying that NJ has a lot of eyes, and they don't unify for very many things very often. most people can't even agree on Giants/Jets or Yankees/Mets. College is another world entirely.

Wickchad84087 wrote:
It will be tough to make the 64 this year without Jimmer. Maybe we sneak in on the bubble with the expanded field of 68.

Ha ha. Ok, here is our best scenario for super conference inclusion...when all of the ADs and University Presidents meet in committee, we send Jimmer. We are in. Game Over.

SpiffCoug wrote:
Here's a scenario. There are currently 67 BCS teams (to be 68 next year when TCU joins the Big East). The Big 12 implodes. Not all 10 of those teams are as valuable to a super conference as BYU would be. Before the Big 12 teams find new homs, the BCS is now down to 58 teams. Let's say the Big East also dies and the SEC, B1G, ACC and PAC12 fight to become the 4 16-team super conferences. With the Big East dying there are no only 49 BCS teams. They need to add 15 teams to get up to 64. Those 15 teams will come from the 10 left in the Big 12 and 9 in the Big East. Throw Boise into the mix and BYU needs to be more valuable than about 6 teams to be included.



You tell me if you think BYU is worth more money (fans in the stands, product on the field, and eyeballs on tv) than six of the following:

Texas

Texas Tech

Oklahoma

Oklahoma St

Kansas

Kansas St

Missouri

Baylor

Iowa St

Cincinnait

Pittsburgh

Louisville

South Florida

West Virginia

Connecticut

Rutgers

Syracuse

Boise State

TCU



I think BYU is worth more to a super conference than the following programs:

Boise St

TCU

Rutgers

Iowa St

Baylor

Kansas St

Connecticut

South Florida

Texas Tech

Good points. The question is which conference would want byu over those other teams. it won't be the big10. they take notre dame, pittsburgh, and probably rutgers/syracuse (then maybe west virginia depending on if they would rather go there or go to the sec or kansas if they can get just them).



sec doesn't want byu. they take missiouri, a&m, and then two others that will not be byu. they will probably have first pick. kansas, lousiville, west virginia or cinci all get in over byu.



For byu it probably comes down to acc or pac12. i think that it is likely that ou, osu, texas, and texas tech go as a package deal to acc or pac12. that means pac12 or acc has four spots to fill.



the pac probably gets those four teams leaving the acc to pick four leftover. i think they get last dibs. Who is leftover at that point? Does byu get in? Who the crap knows.

SpiffCoug wrote:
But there are other teams in those markets that can bring you the markets USF and UConn and Rutgers would.

Not saying I agree with the reasoning, but just that it's a line of reasoning that could be potentially used. Here's a bit of push-back--



I believe USF is the only team in the Tampa media market, so they do add something compared to Miami, UF, and FSU.



Regarding Rutgers and UConn, I think those two schools have a lot of growth potential. That area of the country was as much college basketball country as college football country, but with the recent national popularity of college football, both UConn and Rutgers have improved their football teams. I'm sure BCS dollars helped with that.

jonnylingo wrote:
Good points. The question is which conference would want byu over those other teams.

I echo this concern. The Big 10 and SEC will never take BYU. The Pac 12 has already passed BYU over, and I would expect that to happen again. That leaves the remaining conference comprised of ACC/Big East teams.



I guess the best scenario is if the conference structure is completely thrown out.

No, our best hope is that the media, who will have a seat at the table and a clear and loud voice, will trump the religious bigotry card and say "grow up." Particularly if ESPN at the table. Or any other station for that matter. Superconference, if they happen, AND I dont think they will, would change some of the inclusion restrictions/criteria.