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So I have a question

by kiwibacon · 9/18/2009

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kiwibacon
Is this where the good posters go when they get banned from Cougarblue?



Raise your hand if you have been banned from Cougarblue.



(slowly raises hand)



:shock: :o
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Guest
How in the world did you get banned from CougarBlue? What was their asinine reasoning?
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snoscythe
LOL. Never banned, but in recent weeks, frequently warned.



Just hoping this can become what CougarBlue []iwas[/i].
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Guest
I'm actually pretty surprised I haven't gotten in more trouble over there, as I've been very vocal about how they are failing to properly moderate the forum. As of yet, they have been ignoring me.
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kiwibacon
Sorry, I have been very busy this last week so I did not respond. Here is what I sent to snoscythe via Facebook:


It is a long story. The short story is kiwibacon=breeddud. Cougarblue had just updated and stating that their forums were now better and spam/porn free...low and behold two spam/porn posts pop up.Yesterday, I logged in as breeddud (an account I had requested they delete 2 months ago) My breeddud account worked to my surprise before the update it would not work. I assumed this is why the spammers/porn pushers were able to get on the site because admin thought bans were working but clearly they were not because an old account I have became active. So @ 7pmMST, as breeddud, I logged in to bump threads to get two "porn spam" threads buried to page two. I did that because the porn threads had been there and I reported them for 3 hours WITH NO ACTION BEING TAKEN. After 3 hrs I decided to bump the threads because they were not being deleted in what I consider a timely manner. I figured that burying the threads was better than having them at the top. Maybe you saw the "breeddud" bumps that said' "bumping this thread to move the porn spam to the second page." Admin/mods did not like the fact that I bumped threads. They also did not like that I used an alternate account to do it. They saw my actions as malicious and "spam" and banned my two accounts, kiwibacon & breeddud. I called TannerC, who is one of the main admins and he said I was on a permanent ban. He said that I had broken rules. I asked him to point out in the user agreement what I had done wrong(multiple accounts is/was not on there but when I started to moderate I had tried to make it a rule...it was an unwritten rule that I had started based on previous actions of Jared Cowley...) He could not state what exactly within the user guidelines other than spam and malicious activity was what I had done. I argued that my actions were not malicious but rather helpful to the community. I suggested if he is going to change the rules he may want to post them so others do not experience what I am experiencing. This thread is in response to my suggestion: http://www.cougarblue.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6162



It was basically a shoot first ask questions later kind of event on their part. I got shot and now after the shooting they implement the rules for which I was banned...after the fact...Tannerc said that as a gesture of goodwill he will make my ban temporary but I still cannot post for 1 week and when my ban is over I will be watched very closely...I am being treated worse than the REAL trolls. Good grief.
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kiwibacon
Here is their "old policy" which I did not break:

http://my.heraldextra.com/post/termsofservice/terms_of_service.html
Online Conduct

We encourage a free and open exchange of ideas in a climate of mutual respect. We do not control the messages or postings that are sent to the Site but we, or third parties acting on our behalf, may monitor online conduct to enforce these Terms of Use. We reserve the right in our sole discretion, but do not assume any obligation, to refuse to post, remove, or edit any messages or postings sent to the Site. Any action by a user that infringes on another user's right to use and enjoy this Site is prohibited. We reserve the right to suspend or terminate your access to and use of this Site if, in our view, your conduct fails to meet any of our guidelines. We also res It is a condition of your use that you do not:



• Include any information that is false, misleading or inaccurate.

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Use the Site for any unlawful purpose or to transmit any material that contains a virus.



• Use the Site to encourage others to engage in illegal activities or activities that could cause injury to persons or property.

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Use the Site to upload, post, e-mail, transmit or otherwise make available content that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright, privacy, publicity or other proprietary rights of any party.

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Use the Site to upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available content that is harmful to minors in any way, or that is harassing, harmful, threatening, abusive, vulgar, obscene, defamatory, libelous, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable.

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Use any portion of the Site for uploading, posting, emailing, transmitting or otherwise making available junk mail, commercial advertisements, or any other form of commercial solicitation.

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Attempt to interfere with any other person's use of the Site.

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Misrepresent your identity or impersonate any person.



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Use of the site to attack or defame another user of the site.

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Hold yourself out as sponsored by, endorsed by, or affiliated with us.

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To register a complaint about another user's conduct, please send a message to our Online Editor


Here is the new modified user terms of service which they put into affect AFTER they banned me.



http://www.cougarblue.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6162


After a few problems from this morning we've decided to post a few forum rules/guidelines for you all. Please read through these and if you have any concerns or questions direct them to either myself or one of the countless other moderators/administrators.



Spam



Spam is considered to be anything that is "unsolicited, unwanted, irrelevant, or inappropriate", including repetitive and unrelated replies to forum threads.



Any forum user who posts duplicate content repetitively, in a manner that doesn't benefit any user of the forum or causes the time of the moderators or administrators to be sidetracked, will immediately be banned, without warning. There is no reason to spam these forums whatsoever, and it is under the interest of every user that anyone who does so be banned immediately in order to hinder future spam attacks.



Multiple Accounts



It is against the forum rules to create and manage multiple accounts on these forums.



Managing multiple accounts can be considered spam, and multiple accounts being used can lead to problems in discussions down the road. There are no reasons for any user to have multiple accounts in use. Re-creating a profile, starting from scratch, etc. are acceptable reasons to create a new account... but there is no excuse for having multiple accounts that are active.
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mcgregor
I am afraid Cougarblue is not what it once was. They seem poorly managed. It's as if they think a fresh look and a cumbersome moderator will fix everything, ignoring what made it great in the first place.



I miss the old community, and I'd like to see this site replace it.
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kiwibacon
mcgregor wrote:
I am afraid Cougarblue is not what it once was. They seem poorly managed. It's as if they think a fresh look and a cumbersome moderator will fix everything, ignoring what made it great in the first place.



I miss the old community, and I'd like to see this site replace it.

Mcgregor, I was glad to see you over here. I had also "seen" you "lurking" over @ CB sometimes. One reason why I stopped moderating is because I had a lot of personal things come up that I had to manage. Another unstated reason that I stepped down was lack of support from admin and other moderators. It was NONEXISTENT. I alluded to this awhile back in the "Why little faith in moderation" thread over at CB(I say we call it DH for Daily Herald). Mind you the old admin is gone and some new faces are there but still a broken system if you ask me.



...and Mcgregor, you are right, they think that if you give it a facelift and claim that all is better, that somehow everything will be better...yeah...ok...





Bottom line I was banned for using a multiple account to PROVE that the bans on accounts they thought they had in place were not working. I NEVER used a multiple account when moderating or posting in threads.
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Real.Men.Wear.Blue
The two biggest problems with Cougarblue as a poster (not admin), IMO, are:



1) The abundance of trolls who contribute nothing to the board.



2) The inflexible koolaid drinkers who flame anyone who disagrees with Bronco or says something negative about the team and believe that they alone define what it means to be a "true fan."



I realize that there is some tension between these two problems, as trolls complain about Bronco and the team. But the real trolls are apparent, as they only make comments to generate controversy.
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Sammich
I wasn't banned, but I haven't really contributed any posts there (except when it comes to cheeseburgers) ever since the political post debacle last summer. Happy to see some familiar faces here.
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49erCoug
Never banned or warned.. BUT... I also didn't post very much over there.. there were a select few who thought they were mods... but weren't.. who didn't always show respect to someone who didn't share they same opinion..
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1967cougar
My most amusing moment on CB was after the Puke game last year. All year long many posters had been wishing for the Pukes to go undefeated so we could beat them and look better. Well, we got schooled by them. They go undefeated. We have to live with their fans for an entire year. Granted, I am a multi-decade BYU fan. I am almost just as much a Puke hater. Something just sticks in my craw when they win and I get the constant feeling of bile getting stuck in my throat. That being said, I let emotion get the best of me and I posted, after the game, a diatribe calling out those who wished the Pukes to be undefeated going in to the game. I said, "Screw you and the horse you rode in on." Admittedly, I was wrong. Justifiably, my post was yanked. Here I am, a year later, with no regrets about having made that post or having it yanked. But it did moderate my feelings and caused me not to post when emotional.



I promise no overly-emotional posts on CougarCorner. I'm just grateful to be here.
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kiwibacon
1967cougar wrote:
My most amusing moment on CB was after the Puke game last year. All year long many posters had been wishing for the Pukes to go undefeated so we could beat them and look better. Well, we got schooled by them. They go undefeated. We have to live with their fans for an entire year. Granted, I am a multi-decade BYU fan. I am almost just as much a Puke hater. Something just sticks in my craw when they win and I get the constant feeling of bile getting stuck in my throat. That being said, I let emotion get the best of me and I posted, after the game, a diatribe calling out those who wished the Pukes to be undefeated going in to the game. I said, "Screw you and the horse you rode in on." Admittedly, I was wrong. Justifiably, my post was yanked. Here I am, a year later, with no regrets about having made that post or having it yanked. But it did moderate my feelings and caused me not to post when emotional.



I promise no overly-emotional posts on CougarCorner. I'm just grateful to be here.


LOL, I am glad there are no regrets, nor ill will because more than likely, I was the one that yanked it. As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure I remember that thread because it made me laugh, even though it was not appropriate by the guidelines of the time. Good times, thanks for the memory. :D No hard feeling here.
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BYUROCKS
kiwibacon wrote:
Sorry, I have been very busy this last week so I did not respond. Here is what I sent to snoscythe via Facebook:


It is a long story. The short story is kiwibacon=breeddud. Cougarblue had just updated and stating that their forums were now better and spam/porn free...low and behold two spam/porn posts pop up.Yesterday, I logged in as breeddud (an account I had requested they delete 2 months ago) My breeddud account worked to my surprise before the update it would not work. I assumed this is why the spammers/porn pushers were able to get on the site because admin thought bans were working but clearly they were not because an old account I have became active. So @ 7pmMST, as breeddud, I logged in to bump threads to get two "porn spam" threads buried to page two. I did that because the porn threads had been there and I reported them for 3 hours WITH NO ACTION BEING TAKEN. After 3 hrs I decided to bump the threads because they were not being deleted in what I consider a timely manner. I figured that burying the threads was better than having them at the top. Maybe you saw the "breeddud" bumps that said' "bumping this thread to move the porn spam to the second page." Admin/mods did not like the fact that I bumped threads. They also did not like that I used an alternate account to do it. They saw my actions as malicious and "spam" and banned my two accounts, kiwibacon & breeddud. I called TannerC, who is one of the main admins and he said I was on a permanent ban. He said that I had broken rules. I asked him to point out in the user agreement what I had done wrong(multiple accounts is/was not on there but when I started to moderate I had tried to make it a rule...it was an unwritten rule that I had started based on previous actions of Jared Cowley...) He could not state what exactly within the user guidelines other than spam and malicious activity was what I had done. I argued that my actions were not malicious but rather helpful to the community. I suggested if he is going to change the rules he may want to post them so others do not experience what I am experiencing. This thread is in response to my suggestion: http://www.cougarblue.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6162



It was basically a shoot first ask questions later kind of event on their part. I got shot and now after the shooting they implement the rules for which I was banned...after the fact...Tannerc said that as a gesture of goodwill he will make my ban temporary but I still cannot post for 1 week and when my ban is over I will be watched very closely...I am being treated worse than the REAL trolls. Good grief.




Wow holy **** that is messed up!
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Metallicat
The ironic thing is that the mods over there don't even realize that CB is being ruined. You can't even call it a shell of it's old self. Has anyone invited catholicmat here?
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kiwibacon
Metallicat wrote:
The ironic thing is that the mods over there don't even realize that CB is being ruined. You can't even call it a shell of it's old self. Has anyone invited catholicmat here?

Metallicat, he hangs out at mwcboard.com...we have to go there to invite him...I don't see him much anymore.
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Mars
Metallicat wrote:
The ironic thing is that the mods over there don't even realize that CB is being ruined. You can't even call it a shell of it's old self. Has anyone invited catholicmat here?

Sadly, Matt has significantly decreased his board time since his divorce. I did see him post that we would kill the Frogs though.
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CannonCougar85
I wasn't banned, I didn't even get warned or anything. I personally got sick of all the stupid arguments and posters who's sole purpose in life is to argue(Steed, BuckingBronco). I'm here to discuss sports, that's it.
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Schmoe
I got warned several times (mostly for calling a troll a troll), and had harmless posts deleted without explanation. The mods over there have a kiss-my-*** attitude and are "always right," even when calling faithful posters "freaking jerks" for exposing their incompetence.
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BoiseBYU
I don't think I was warned but then again I did not really notice or think much about PMs until I notice sno had sent me one about this site....
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