Tomorrow's weather forecast

To get an updated idea of what kind of weather BYU will be facing tomorrow, I fulled up tomorrow's forecast on several different sites. The current forecast is much more favorable than we were first led to believe.



Forecast for University, MS, Sept. 3 2011 4:00 PM



94 Degrees

40% Humidity

Feels like 98 Degrees



Yes that's still hot, but a 98 Degree heat index is a lot lower than the 113 I've been hearing around. If this is the actual conditions tomorrow, weather will be a non-factor.

It has come down by 5 degrees since the day before's forecast.

Ungoy wrote:
To get an updated idea of what kind of weather BYU will be facing tomorrow, I fulled up tomorrow's forecast on several different sites. The current forecast is much more favorable than we were first led to believe.



Forecast for University, MS, Sept. 3 2011 4:00 PM



94 Degrees

40% Humidity

Feels like 98 Degrees



Yes that's still hot, but a 98 Degree heat index is a lot lower than the 113 I've been hearing around. If this is the actual conditions tomorrow, weather will be a non-factor.

Yeah, but that is not going to be actual conditions--the forecast you are looking at is not the forecast for the 50 yard line of an artificial turf playing field, which is where the game will be played. Weather forecasts record temperature in the shade, generally at the top of some pole mounted weather-station. Unfortunately football games are not played in the shade nor on the top of a pole. The game tomorrow will be played in direct sunlight on artificial turf where temps will be drastically higher. Have you ever noticed on hot days walking across an asphalt parking lot that the worst of the heat radiates up at you from the ground? Synethetic turfs are even worse than asphalt.



A study of synthetic turf at BYU in 2002 showed that when the temperature of grass was 78 degrees, the temperature of the synthetic turf was 117 degrees--BYU has reported a maximum temperature at Provo of 200 degrees on their synthetic turf. Penn State also did a study when air temperatures were 79, 78, and 85 degrees. The temperatures for the synthetic turf were 120, 130, and 146 degrees. Note that the air temperatures for these studies was considerably less than the 94 degrees forecast for tomorrow.



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The turf at Ole Miss is legendarily hot--teams have had to replace shoes at halftime because the soles have melted.

The temperature is recorded in the shade, but the temperature is the same in the sun or the shade. If temperature on artificial turf is as high as you say it is, the players would all die. Nobody can compete in temperatures like that, which is why Arizona and Arizona STate play all their games at night, as does UNLV and other desert dwelling teams.



The players will tell you it's hot down there, but so what? they'll be fine.

golong wrote:
The temperature is recorded in the shade, but the temperature is the same in the sun or the shade. If temperature on artificial turf is as high as you say it is, the players would all die. Nobody can compete in temperatures like that, which is why Arizona and Arizona STate play all their games at night, as does UNLV and other desert dwelling teams.



The players will tell you it's hot down there, but so what? they'll be fine.

If you don't believe me, you are free to click on the link and read the studies by BYU, Penn State, and Missouri as to the temperatures of synthetic turfs.



As for the temperature sun or shade, the air temperature might be the same, but the temperature on your body is markedly different, and you tend to be more concerned about how hot it is on your skin as opposed to how hot the air is around you. Otherwise people wouldn't look for shade to cool down.

I think the take-home point is that 98 degrees, while definitely hot, isn't that uncommon in a Provo summer, and 40% humidity is only a little bit higher than the mid 30's that we get here.



Practicing on the Provo turf in 90's and mid 30's humidity isn't that different from 98 and 40%.



It won't be a factor

golong wrote:
The temperature is recorded in the shade, but the temperature is the same in the sun or the shade. If temperature on artificial turf is as high as you say it is, the players would all die.

It's the actual turf that reaches those temperatures, not the air above it (though the air above the turf would certainly be higher than what the weather report says). Your skin is only touching it for a few seconds at a time when you get tackled.

tmoney35 wrote:
I think the take-home point is that 98 degrees, while definitely hot, isn't that uncommon in a Provo summer, and 40% humidity is only a little bit higher than the mid 30's that we get here.



Practicing on the Provo turf in 90's and mid 30's humidity isn't that different from 98 and 40%.



It won't be a factor

Except in Provo they practice on grass outside, not turf. Grass is cooler than the air-temperature.

tmoney35 wrote:

The temperature is recorded in the shade, but the temperature is the same in the sun or the shade. If temperature on artificial turf is as high as you say it is, the players would all die.

It's the actual turf that reaches those temperatures, not the air above it (though the air above the turf would certainly be higher than what the weather report says). Your skin is only touching it for a few seconds at a time when you get tackled.

Point is that reports of 113 degree air temperatures on the field at game time are not far-fetched at all.

Isn't there a tropical storm coming up the Gulf of Mexico right now? How does that factor into the forecast?

The weather and altitude will be a non factor, just like it is a non factor in Provo.

From what I could see this morning the tropical storm is not supposed to hit Mississippi until Sunday or Monday so we should miss the worst part. Yes I did spell Mississippi out loud while I typed it :)

Better make sure they bring the pickle juice



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I really hope we don't have the same cramping issues that TCU and Baylor had tonight.

Will it be windy with the storm coming in? I hope to fly out before the storm hits.

I'm here right now. It's hot. It's a shame we're not playing this Monday or Tuesday when temperatures dip into the 80s or below.

NCPUMA wrote:
I'm here right now. It's hot. It's a shame we're not playing this Monday or Tuesday when temperatures dip into the 80s or below.

And how much will it be raining on those days? Tropical Storm Lee will be paying them a visit on those days and talk about being windy. True, it's not hurricane, but with winds over 35 mph, with gusts up to 50 mph, it sure won't be a passing game in any sense of the word.



Then there would be the almost certainty that the game would be cancelled or maybe even postponed until later in the year.

I checked on the projected path of the tropical storm and computer models have it coming up thru Louisiana and into Mississippi; however, the storm will not impact the area until later Sunday. Whether that means the center of the storm, I don't know. The storm is big and the outer bands reach a long ways. But the reports I read seem to indicate that weather wise, it should be "good skies" above.



On a side note, I take it from the comments that Ole Miss plays on turf. Don't we seen to have an inordinate amount of injuries on turf (i.e. Hawaii)? Is it because we practice on natural grass and their joints are not used to the increased stress on the knees and ankles, and when they cut there is no give like happens on natural grass? I'm concerned about the increased potential for injury caused by playing on TURF....

isn't the indoor training center artifical turf?

Qman wrote:
isn't the indoor training center artifical turf?

Yes. However both the IPF and Ole Miss's field are "field turf"--long individual blades of fake grass on a mat that is filled with rubberized pellets, which makes it far less likely to catch you and cause injury like the old school Astroturf that they had in Hawaii.