2 reasons why Miami is going to get the death penalty...

1. prostitution



2. abortion



The NCAA will have no choice; there is nothing close to this in college football history; not Cam Newton, not USC, not OSU, not the Michigan Fab 5.... and the two biggest reasons are above.



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I think the fact that it was just 1 dude is the main mitigating factor in all of this, and could be what saves them in the end. They can call him a "Lone Wolf" violator, and that it was not as widespread as SMU, and did not continue once caught--like at SMU.



However, if they connect dots that lead back to UMiami AD and University Pres having knowledge, they are dead. Way to go Donna Shalala.



The Herd also made an interesting observation on this this morning, and it is that when USC basically got reamed recently by the NCAA, the guy who threw the book at them at the NCAA was--wait for it--former UMiami AD--and the guy in charge when the large majority of this went down.

And that's to say nothing for the bounties on other players' heads (or knees, as the case may be).



But I can't convince myself to agree with you that the death penalty is imminent. Had a university official been involved in these the most serious of offenses, then maybe. But because it was a booster and the university has plausible deniability about the extent of their knowledge of these most serious issues, I doubt the death penalty is coming, as deserved as it is.



I would be satisfied with sanctions that effectively ruin the program for the next decade - no post season play for 10 years, 25% or even 50% reduction in scholarships, reduction in coaching staff, etc. And this should devastate recruiting anyway - what top level athlete is going to want to risk signing with UM not knowing how this is going to shake out? And what parent in their right mind would give their blessing to their child attending that school?



But I just don't think the NCAA has the stones to levy the death penalty...and I'm not so sure that at this point they have the power to enforce it either.

I suspect major recruiting restrictions are forthcoming. I bet they lose 10 schollies a class for up to 4 years, limits on off campus and on campus visits, post season bans, forfeit wins (big deal), players suspended--soon--, games on TV taken away for 2 years or so, have major oversight put on them internally for a period of time in terms of compliance.



Just goes to show--again--that the major players and people around those programs cheat like hell to win games. Worst of all in this case is that it did not even result is high level winning. What incompetent cheating this was.

The NCAA will never give the death penalty to another football team. If you google SMU death penalty, they blame that for the reason the SWC went belly up. I don't forsee anyone getting it ever. They will pull schollies, let kids transfer without penalty, restrict post season play but will never hand down a death penalty.

There is very little plausible deniability. Shapiro wrote checks to the university, wrote a few to coaches, and there are others (including summer aau-like football coaches/handlers) that are beginning to roll over on Miami coaches to save their asses. The man actually ran the team out from the tunnel twice. He wasn't a roguie booster, he was a known booster doing things right in front of the faces of the coaches, AD, etc.

Their own compliance officers nearly fought with him.... why? Because they knew what he was doing and tried to put their foots on the brakes... to no avail. He won and got away with murder for 3 more years AFTER his run-in with Miami's compliance officer. Money talks, winning talks and Miami looked the other way. There was too much going on to hide it and that's why the NCAA will not buy plausible deniability... this isn't a court of law and the NCAA doesn't need an abundance of proof (which they have) or a 100% certainty... all they need is a little common sense and a few dozen sworn statements from players, coaches, etc. (which they'll easily get)



I just have a feeling that all told, that the NCAA is going to do it. The fact that abortions and prostitution was paid for will be the straw that breaks the back and I expect a death penalty. It's not like Shapiro was the 1st to do this at Miami. (2 live crews Luther Campbell did it for 20 years)



It's just too big. It's literally 10-20 times bigger than the USC fiasco and more blatant due to the fact that a dozen Miami coaches knew, while at USC, one coach (Todd McNair) was implicated. Then there's the prostitution and abortion benefits which have to make the NCAA want to collectively vommit.... I expect death, I don't see how the NCAA can weigh USC and what they got and then weigh Miami and do anything but.... to make things worse (and another big reason why I think they're going to cream them, is the fact that the Miami AD was on the infractions committee for USCs investigation... can you imagine how angry USC would be if Miami gets only 200% of what USC got when the crimes were 1000% worse and more blatant?)

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It's not like Shapiro was the 1st to do this at Miami. (2 live crews Luther Campbell did it for 20 years)

I keep thinking about that. When the 30 for 30 U of Miami documentary aired, all that dirt seemed less like a major violation and more like something "bad boy" programs would do. Notre Dame vs. Miami was called "Catholics vs. Convicts" for a reason. Even the few Miami alums I followed on twitter didn't seem too terribly ashamed of it.



It's funny how when something has happened in the past, it's part of the program's anti-establishment, devil-may-care legacy; but when it happens in the present, it's seen for what it rightfully is.

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In 2003, the Hurricanes were put on probation and docked scholarships for baseball infractions. In the Committee on Infractions report, it defined Miami then as a repeat violator, which means that it committed major violations while already on probation for previous violations -- that would be the famed 1995 case that involved a widespread, multisport Pell Grant scam and other shenanigans. The Canes' football program got a one-year bowl ban in that case.



In the 2003 case, the NCAA noted that the baseball violations occurred in the years immediately following the '95 ruling and criticized the school for failing to increase its monitoring of its programs. The 2003 case also contains this paragraph:



"As required by NCAA legislation for any institution involved in a major infractions case, Miami shall be subject to the provisions of NCAA Bylaw 19.6.2.3, concerning repeat violators, for a five-year period beginning on the effective date of the penalties in this case, February 27, 2003."



According to Yahoo!, Nevin Shapiro was going full throttle from 2002 to 2010. Which means, if the allegations are proved, Miami was breaking rules left and right while on probation.



That would seemingly make Miami a repeat-repeat violator, basically operating outside the rules continuously in one program or another from the early '90s through last year. And if the NCAA has been directed to step up the punishments of cheaters, a repeat-repeat violator would seem to be in really-really big trouble.



Perhaps up to and including the death penalty.

This is death penalty worthy AND the NCAA is incredibly boxed in...first by what it did to USC. Second, the guy who justified what the NCAA did to USC was the Miami AD--high profile programs deserve high profile attention, he said. Third, if Miami gets away with anything less--these are repeat violations--the NCAA will have lost the war, the battle and the right to police its member ever. Fourth, the nature of the violations is so much more horendus than the things they found at USC or BSU or even OSU--this is millions in benefits; prostitution, bribes and it was systemic and endemic to the entire school's athletic program. Shalala if she had a shred of dignity and decency should have resigned by now....

Just a quick and probably stupid question.... What exactly is a death penalty in football sense?

jmvcougar wrote:
Just a quick and probably stupid question.... What exactly is a death penalty in football sense?

Banned from playing football for 1 year.

Post-SMU, I don't think the NCAA will ever lay down a death penalty again unless it is the actual school paying the benefits. The effects of the death penalty on SMU were far greater than anyone predicted, and I think if the NCAA could have that one back, they would.



I think the NCAA might give them a modern-day version of the death penalty though--no bowl games or postseason competitions for 5 years, and restrictions on the televising of home games for 2 or 3 years in addition to the usual scholarship reductions. In today's TV driven college sports world, the postseason ban of the equivalent of an athlete's entire college career will drive in-state recruits to favor the likes of Illinois and UConn over the The U, and the program will suffer significantly for those years, but will have the possibility to rebuild thereafter instead of starting all over from scratch as SMU did.



The one guy I feel for in this whole thing is the new coach. The Administration KNEW this crap was coming down the flusher, and they apparently didn't bother to tell their new coach about it before he signed on. I hope he sues their pants off.....the pants that the hookers haven't already removed, that is.

They will get the 'modern day version of the death penalty no question. This one is easy. It will not make anybody mad if they do but it will make everybody mad if they don't. They finally have a situation where they can hammer someone to show there is still integrity in college football without taking too much heat for it. I guarantee they take advantage of this situation to set an example. They will get the worst that the ncaa is willing to give out. I agree though that what was given to smu won't ever happen again.



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Guess in about four years we will know.



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Gregg Doyel on cbssports.com makes an interesting argument. He basically says that the NCAA wouldn't dare do that because it could cause all of the big schools to revolt. "The NCAA doesn't control college sports, not really. The NCAA is more like a snake-charmer, trying to keep the cobra at bay without getting bitten. One wrong move, and the cobra lashes out. Goodbye, snake-charmer." What is to stop the BCS schools from disassociating from the NCAA and setting up their own system?

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Gregg Doyel on cbssports.com makes an interesting argument. He basically says that the NCAA wouldn't dare do that because it could cause all of the big schools to revolt. "The NCAA doesn't control college sports, not really. The NCAA is more like a snake-charmer, trying to keep the cobra at bay without getting bitten. One wrong move, and the cobra lashes out. Goodbye, snake-charmer." What is to stop the BCS schools from disassociating from the NCAA and setting up their own system?

That's my worry about this too. The big schools are already just inches away from packing up their bags leaving the NCAA and creating the BCS oversight committee, thats what all of this super conference nonsense is really about anyway.

You all might be right, but I think this might be the case for the NCAA to draw the line and see what happens. If the NCAA does not do anything or does too little, then they will have emasculated themselves. Call me naive, but while most schools have boosters doing naughty things, this case is singularly different--multi-year; multi-sports; boatloads of $$; decadence throughout; repeated criminal conduct; multiple coaches involved; scores of athletes involved; and an institutional conscious disregard for what is going on....I do not think most schools have that going on and would not be concerned by the hammer dropping on Miami. Perhaps the old fashioned DP is naive and the "new version" DP discussed above is likely, but this cannot go away without Miami going away....

NCAA works for every sport, except football. They run every other sport really well, with fewer problems and with great tournaments. For some reason, they have abdicated football oversight, except for discipline, and it is a mess. As the NCAA is made up of member institutions, schools could depart, but if they did, they would have to form a rival oversight committee--for all sports. Not sure schools want to do that over football, because it would look really bad for academic institutions to behave that way.



What needs to happen is for the NCAA to step in an set up a football playoff, and run the BCS out of CFB. The BCS is the cartel. We all hate it, we all put up with it. It needs to go and a playoff needs to be implemented.

If Miami were to get the DP the ACC would go down in flames just like the SWC when SMU got the DP. Their only chance would be dumping Miami and trying to get three big east teams because the minute the U gets kicked out UVa and UNC would be in the SEC.



Of course if Miami were kicked out of the ACC I assume the Big East would avoid them and they would try independence, which would be good for BYU to go there to recruit (the games would have to be neutral site in FL to avoid the TV restrictions). And Miami did much better before they joined a conference anyway so it would be better for them (eventually).

I have a co-worker who graduated law from UMiami and is a huge Canes fan. Worked in Florida for years and held season tickets as well. Still connected to the program, too. He actually hopes this leads Miami to deciding to go Indy again, because they won their first 3 NCs as an Indy, and next 2 as members of the Big East, and have done squat since in the ACC. An Indy Miami would not be so bad.