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Football, BYU, and Cheating

by Mars · 7/7/2011

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Mars
" Is it possible these days to win a national championship at the highest level in major college football without cheating?



In the 75-year history of the wire service era, CBSSports.com research showed that it is nearly impossible. Among the schools that have won titles since 1936, when human polls became the accepted form of determining the sport's champion, only Penn State and BYU have never had a major violation in football...



"That's kind of amazing to me that's the case," said BYU athletic director Tom Holmoe, "because it doesn't bode well."



...Adding to the mystery: Both of the "innocents" (BYU, Penn State) won their titles from 1982-86, during a time considered some of the most lawless in NCAA history... "



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EM_Puma
Good link. I was worried when I got on here that this was another dig at my downtrodden Buckeyes.
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BroncoBot
EM-Puma, still feeling a little guilty for cheering for the bad guys? ;)
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CougarClaw
why cheat when your system is already set up for success at the top?



oh yeah, because you can.

Pressure? check

Rationalization? check

Opportunity? check or cash?



Only two programs without major violations? The lack of integrity is amazing.
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Lawboy
Actually surprises me that Notre Dame has a major violation, because they try to do things the right way too. Same with Army/Navy, who had their days.



All credit to BYU and Penn State for having institutional integrity.
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Kajdin
What are the odds BYU becomes a lot of people's 2nd team due to independance and all the positive press about BYU winning "the right way"?
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Lawboy
Gotta win in 2011, because it could set things up really well for the future with recruiting, especially is Next Tuesday is the scheduling bonanza announcement we all hope for.
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redneckjedi
Kajdin wrote:
What are the odds BYU becomes a lot of people's 2nd team due to independance and all the positive press about BYU winning "the right way"?


It's probably proportional to the number of Jimmers on the roster. ;)
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Mars
Lawboy wrote:
Actually surprises me that Notre Dame has a major violation, because they try to do things the right way too. Same with Army/Navy, who had their days. All credit to BYU and Penn State for having institutional integrity.

I think Army makes three. The stat may have been wrong.
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Mars
EM_Puma wrote:
Good link. I was worried when I got on here that this was another dig at my downtrodden Buckeyes.

No worries, they haven't won anything in quite a while now anyways.
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BroncoBot
Maybe subconsciously I knew that PSU also has been squeaky clean. They have always been the #2 team I cheer for.
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Schmoe
declocoug wrote:
Maybe subconsciously I knew that PSU also has been squeaky clean. They have always been the #2 team I cheer for.


It's a subconscious thing: Nittany Lions=Cougars, Colors are Blue and White, have a legendary old coach, located in "Happy Valley,"...
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Kajdin
There are a lot of bizzare similarities between BYU and PSU. . .
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jvquarterback
Mars wrote:
Actually surprises me that Notre Dame has a major violation, because they try to do things the right way too. Same with Army/Navy, who had their days. All credit to BYU and Penn State for having institutional integrity.

I think Army makes three. The stat may have been wrong.


Nope. The Army team's major infraction was in 1976-77: “Improper recruiting contacts, entertainment, inducements, lodging and transportation; excessive number of official visits; tryouts; coaching staff limitations,” according to the NCAA’s report.



Navy's was in the 1960's.
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