ESPN Kicking a dead Horse

Anyone else see this video?



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ESPN basically tries to insinuate that BYU is racist when it comes to the honor code. Where do they dig up these people. Really disappointed in Wesley's comments. Clearly he still has an axe to grind with BYU, why I don't understand since he broke the HC, tried to keep it a secret and then was let back in to play.



Race issue is a bunch of BS, especially since two of the examples they use in video are white athletes. Come on ESPN, if you're going to put together a biased story at least put some more effort into it.

I saw it. Here's my deal with the Honor Code. Is the HC archaic? Maybe. Is is poorly implemented at times? Probably. Is there a double standard or examples made of people at times? Probably. Did anyone they interview actually not commit the violations that led to suspension? Not that I heard.



When discussing Honor Code violators don't forget that they did indeed violate the code by which they promised to live. It seems this fact is glossed over on more often than not in stories about the Honor Code.

I do not think ESPN was kicking a dead horse. That horse is alive and well, and another player will get kicked out over HC issues. It is not an if question, but a when question, because some athletes at BYU will make mistakes, and this issue will come up again. No way around it.



The issue to me is one of fairness. When you are a young kid, the world is against you, even if you did the crime. I could see how conflicted Wesley was in his interview, but the fact is, he did the crime, he knows it, and he knows he got what he deserved.



The only thing Wesley was right on though was that individuals in high profile positions do get it tougher when the HC gets enforced against them. The average student can skulk away, but athletes can not. However, the athlete chose that scholarship, chose that position, and in the case of kids who were raised LDS, like Wesley, Davies, Unga, etc., I do have less sympathy for them than for those who were not raised LDS and came to BYU and had HC issues. It is cultural, and learning a new culture can be tough.

I really minorities have a more difficult time keeping the Honor Code because it is so foreign to many of them. And by minority, I mean non-LDS. Breaking of the Honor Code is much more an LDS/non-LDS thing than a white/non-white thing.

Totally agree it's more of an LDS verse non-LDS thing as opposed to a race issue.



I didn't catch what the women's volleyball player did. Though, by the looks of her haircut I have a pretty good idea.



Each victim completely sidestepped their violation of the HC and refused to take accountability. Dwelling more on the wrong doings of the HC office then their own wrong doings. Wesley almost seemed to think that if he hadn't been "ratted out" by the other athletes then would have been able to sweep his situation under the rug and it isn't his fault for breaking the honor code, but rather some other athletes fault for getting caught. Sooner or later, Wesley, you would have gotten caught.



Is there hyprocrisy around the HC? Yes. Is it a perfect system? No. But I am tired of the race card being pulled and rather than interview the hundreds of minorities that go to BYU and claim it's the most non-racist environment they've lived in they dig up a handful of digruntled ones and make a "controversy" out of it.



Give me 6 students from any university and I'll put together a controversy for you.

Lawboy wrote:
I do not think ESPN was kicking a dead horse. That horse is alive and well, and another player will get kicked out over HC issues. It is not an if question, but a when question, because some athletes at BYU will make mistakes, and this issue will come up again. No way around it.



The issue to me is one of fairness. When you are a young kid, the world is against you, even if you did the crime. I could see how conflicted Wesley was in his interview, but the fact is, he did the crime, he knows it, and he knows he got what he deserved.



The only thing Wesley was right on though was that individuals in high profile positions do get it tougher when the HC gets enforced against them. The average student can skulk away, but athletes can not. However, the athlete chose that scholarship, chose that position, and in the case of kids who were raised LDS, like Wesley, Davies, Unga, etc., I do have less sympathy for them than for those who were not raised LDS and came to BYU and had HC issues. It is cultural, and learning a new culture can be tough.

Is this the same Wesley who contributes to Deep Shades of Blue ?

It seemed like a fair report to me. No spin, no polish - just a presentation of a common claim and a response by Tom Holmoe. I liked it.

Wesley got his girlfriend (who later became his wife) pregnant. He would have been found out eventually.



Unga got his girlfriend pregnant (who later became his wife) and was able to hide it for almost 6 months. Eventually he got caught. Remember his wife played almost an entire basketball season pregnant.



The punishment for Wesley and Unga was the same, it's just that Wesley messed up earlier so he had eligibility left. It happens to be the same punishment that Davies received and Reno Mahe received for the same offense.



Truth be told, you can break the honor code at BYU a lot, and get away with it. White students/athletes. Non-white students/athletes. LDS or non-LDS. However, if a baby is made, more than likely you will be caught.



Also, for most of these people it wasn't a first time offense. Unga, for example, had to delay admission because of some issues.



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