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Dave R. Interviewed for HC at Bradley

by Mars · 3/27/2011

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stuckinbig10country
I'm surprised Utah is looking at Rice simply because he is an assistant at what is now a WCC team. Utah is not acting big time.



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Lawboy
If Coach Rose leaves I will be shocked. He has built something really nice at BYU, and has some great recruits coming in. Basically, he has set himself up with winning for years to come. BYU just needs to step up and increase his base pay, with some nice incentives. HE may not get market, but he should get close. The days of the huge BYU discount for coaches is about over for major revenue sports. Too much at stake, and using the programs for missionary type work so much that need to win. That means paying those who are in control more to keep them and BYU's higher profile.
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SpiffCoug
I can't see Rose going anywhere. He's been at BYU for 15 years. He's making a pretty penny now and is likely going to get a raise. He's built a program at BYU that primed for greatness. He can win now and win big.



Why would he take another job? Are they really a step up? Is Missouri a better job than BYU? Sure he'd make more money, maybe, but what if he doesn't win right away? Is he looking for a job in two years? What school out there is ready for him to simply step in and take them to the next level?



I don't think there are any. There isn't a job out there that's a step up. They're all sideways steps at best. The ones that could pay him more, can't win right now. There's no incentive to leave.
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SpiffCoug wrote:
I can't see Rose going anywhere. He's been at BYU for 15 years. He's making a pretty penny now and is likely going to get a raise. He's built a program at BYU that primed for greatness. He can win now and win big.



Why would he take another job? Are they really a step up? Is Missouri a better job than BYU? Sure he'd make more money, maybe, but what if he doesn't win right away? Is he looking for a job in two years? What school out there is ready for him to simply step in and take them to the next level?



I don't think there are any. There isn't a job out there that's a step up. They're all sideways steps at best. The ones that could pay him more, can't win right now. There's no incentive to leave.


Unless Rose believes he's hit a glass ceiling, would like to make more money, and would like to be able to recruit from a larger pool.



My guess, though, is he's just playing BYU a bit and getting them nervous so they'll be sure to give him a raise.
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Lawboy
If it were me, I would look at all options, even if I was 99% sure I planned on staying. That 1% scenario could happen. And if BYU does not step up and lock you up, it is not your fault. You sell the place out for multiple games, oversee the best season in 30 years, overcome off the court issues that affects your win-loss, but do it in a way to help BYU, you deserve a raise. Pretty simple.
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EM_Puma
I cannot understand why the HC at Kent State sees a job at Bradley as an improvement. I'm sure Bradley is going to pay him more, and that might be high on Coach Geno Fords list of important issues, but visibility wise I don't see it as a step in a positive direction.



For Bradley, if Ford was interested, it would be a no-brainer as Ford has been a HC and he's got eastern ties. Rice has practically zero east coast ties.



Did Rice paint himself in a corner by coming to a school where he could not ever be considered as the HC? I have to wonder what really motivates the man. I don't want to see him leave at all, but if he wants to be a HC, then it would be selfish not to want him to reach that goal.
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CougarClaw
Let's not forget that you'd have to be leaving a relatively cheap area: Provo. INcreases in salary in new jobs are often accompanied by an increase in cost of living.
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Mars


Oklahoma looking at Rose, after Marquette's coach turns down the job:

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Even Missouri is paying $2MM/year. Rose makes less than half of that in Provo. Probably less than a third of that...
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snoscythe
CougarClaw wrote:
Let's not forget that you'd have to be leaving a relatively cheap area: Provo. INcreases in salary in new jobs are often accompanied by an increase in cost of living.


:skeptic: Are you familiar at all with Norman, Oklahoma??



6% lower cost of living than Provo/SLC, 3% cheaper than Cache Valley.



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What are the benefits of an Oklahoma job, besides a pay increase? Do they finish in the top of their conference? Do they have a ton of talent coming in?
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Mars
hawkwing wrote:
What are the benefits of an Oklahoma job, besides a pay increase? Do they finish in the top of their conference? Do they have a ton of talent coming in?

Wasn't BYU 9-20 the year Rose was hired?
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Mars wrote:
What are the benefits of an Oklahoma job, besides a pay increase? Do they finish in the top of their conference? Do they have a ton of talent coming in?

Wasn't BYU 9-20 the year Rose was hired?


Which makes sense for an assistant coach to step up to a big time program as a new head coach.
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Mars
hawkwing wrote:
Which makes sense for an assistant coach to step up to a big time program as a new head coach.

I'm not trying to play devil's advocate too hard here, but tripling his salary doesn't make sense?



For the record, I think Rose is a lifer at BYU. No Cougar head football or basketball coach has ever left for a BCS school. SteveCleve was a season away from getting fired when he bailed, did the AD a favor, IMO.





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Mars wrote:
Which makes sense for an assistant coach to step up to a big time program as a new head coach.

I'm not trying to play devil's advocate too hard here, but tripling his salary doesn't make sense?



For the record, I think Rose is a lifer at BYU. No Cougar head football or basketball coach has ever left for a BCS school. SteveCleve was a season away from getting fired when he bailed, did the AD a favor, IMO.


I agree with you here Mars. I'm not saying tripling your salary isn't a good thing, but we don't know what his new salary will be after his raise (but we can safely assume it will still probably be half). But what else is there besides money to entice him to that job?



You don't get a better shot at a national championship.

You don't have a better team next year.

You don't have any of your guys in the recruiting pipeline.

The job isn't any more "glamorous" than BYU's.

Basketball isn't the fifth priority ;)
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Mars
hawkwing wrote:
You don't get a better shot at a national championship.

You don't have any of your guys in the recruiting pipeline.

The job isn't any more "glamorous" than BYU's.

Basketball isn't the fifth priority

Disagreeing a little, the 4 things above I would put as reasons why OU job > BYU job. But that's just me. You don't think the Big XII champ's seed > WCC's? That it would be easier to recruit there? That he wouldn't get more media respect and attention?
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Lawboy
OU has been in the FInal 4 2x and anational title game before and BYU has not. Based upon history, OU has a better shot to win it all. Big 12 has had 13 teams in the Final 4 the last 25 years. WCC/MWC has had 0. WAC had 1, unless you count UNLV, who actually was in another league when they did it. So yeah, OU has a better shot based upon history and league affiliation.



Still, I take the BYU job with its current trajectory and recent success over the OU job, unless the pay difference is too massive to overlook. BYU is getting closer to market rates and has to to keep the best talent that fits with the BYU ideology. Smaller pool to pick from.
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Mars
Lawboy wrote:
Still, I take the BYU job with its current trajectory and recent success over the OU job.

Ditto.
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Guest
The world is a different place then it was a few years ago, and if anything parity is spreading more in NCAA mens bball than in any other sport. So while OK may have some history on its side, I'm not sure that they'll get to the Final Four before BYU does.



I think we can all agree that there aren't enough positives (outside of money) to outweigh any thing in BYU's apparent future.
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