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Coaching Big Men

by CougarClaw · 3/26/2011

CougarClaw

3/26/2011, 5:27:05 PM

So now that Davies "is the reason" we didn't win more games, does this mean that Nashif and the rest of the coaching staff has figured out how to coach Big Men? We came down pretty hard on Miles, and even Davies last year through about half of this year and pretty much blamed the coaching staff on their inability to develop big men.

last I checked, the coaching staff hasn't changed, Davies is just a good player.

So does the staff get a pass in this area? Is it still the huge liability we all claimed it was last year? is Davies just too talented for our 'bad' big men development program?

SpiffCoug

3/26/2011, 6:17:13 PM

Coaching staff did change. John Wardenburg left

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Gunk

3/26/2011, 6:33:55 PM

Rice and LaComb were put in charge of coaching the big men. Rose and Nashif coached the guards this season.

I'll say our post play improved this year, particularly rebounding. How much of that was improved players vs. improved coaching I don't know. My guess is it's more of the former as we still don't cut to the basket well, use back doors, or dish it on the drive. Rather than give Jimmer a screen and cut to the basket our "power forward" moved along the three point line. I'm afraid getting it into the post is still an after thought.

stuckinbig10country

3/26/2011, 7:32:21 PM

Rose was the primary coach for the last good/great big man BYU had in Rafa. Plaisted didn't improve because he was lazy. Miles didn't improve because of lack of talent or desire after coming back from his mission. Brandon, when given the chance, showed great improvement and has the talent. BYU (and most college teams) plays a guard oriented offense because talented and focused big men are hard to come by.

Mars

3/27/2011, 1:00:03 AM

Gunk wrote:
Rice and LaComb were put in charge of coaching the big men...

I'll say our post play improved this year, particularly rebounding.

Completely agree. It was long overdue, but the results this season were nice. Just in time for Austin and Harward!

mizzoucoug

3/27/2011, 7:40:22 PM

Gunk wrote:
Rice and LaComb were put in charge of coaching the big men. Rose and Nashif coached the guards this season.

I'll say our post play improved this year, particularly rebounding. How much of that was improved players vs. improved coaching I don't know. My guess is it's more of the former as we still don't cut to the basket well, use back doors, or dish it on the drive. Rather than give Jimmer a screen and cut to the basket our "power forward" moved along the three point line. I'm afraid getting it into the post is still an after thought.

Yeah it's amusing to watch pretty much every other PG in the tourney drive to the hole and dish to a big man who is waiting next to the basket, and when they catch the pass, they throw it down with authority. I was telling my friend today at church that Jimmer probably leaves 4 or 5 assists per game out there that he would get if he had an above average, explosive big man. Even Davies can't dunk from that position. We are at such a disadvantage every game we play in.

SpiffCoug

3/27/2011, 7:49:58 PM

mizzoucoug wrote:
I was telling my friend today at church that Jimmer probably leaves 4 or 5 assists per game out there that he would get if he had an above average, explosive big man. Even Davies can't dunk from that position. We are at such a disadvantage every game we play in.

You mean like the kind he'll have in the NBA? Imagine Jimmer going to the Knicks. He drives and can dish it to Amar'e or passes to Melo who drives and when the help defense comes kicks to a wide open Jimmer.

Those who think Jimmer can't play in the NBA are delusional.

ABYUFAN

3/27/2011, 9:58:25 PM

SpiffCoug wrote:
I was telling my friend today at church that Jimmer probably leaves 4 or 5 assists per game out there that he would get if he had an above average, explosive big man. Even Davies can't dunk from that position. We are at such a disadvantage every game we play in.

You mean like the kind he'll have in the NBA? Imagine Jimmer going to the Knicks. He drives and can dish it to Amar'e or passes to Melo who drives and when the help defense comes kicks to a wide open Jimmer.

Those who think Jimmer can't play in the NBA are delusional.

Jimmer to the Knicks woul make him the next Nash _ which would make his haters mad

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BYUROCKS

3/27/2011, 10:02:35 PM

I can't believe I am going to say this, But Jimmer would fit best at LA, them Miami, then Boston.

Lawboy

3/28/2011, 1:21:25 AM

Hard to coach big men that are near stiffs on the offensive end. Seriously, even Plaisted left to be desired, and his lack of an NBA sniff shows it. If you want to get on the staff for anything, get after them for not recruiting players like Wesley, Foster and a couple other s that could have helped this team. Need to recruit the LDS bigs much better.

SpiffCoug

3/28/2011, 1:29:54 AM

BYU did recruit Wesley, he chose not to come here. BYU go after Foster, he had zero interest in BYU. I interviewed him when he was in HS and I was writing for TBS. He had no desire to play for BYU. Told me that straight up.

frdbtr

3/28/2011, 2:16:21 PM

The coaching staff only has so much time to spend with players in the off season and basicly no time with them during the season since most of the time they spend is developing game plans for the next game. It is up to the player to develop their own game when the coaches aren't allowed to. plaisted didn't sniff the NBA because he didn't develop his game at all. His best year was his freshman year, he never improved. plaisted would be currently playing in the NBA today if he had developed an outside shot and his free throws. He chose not to do that and to rely on his above average athletic ability to get him there only to find out that everyone in the NBA that had his size was as athletic or more athletic then he was.

mizzoucoug

3/28/2011, 2:51:45 PM

We've got some bigs coming in it seems. Is there any chance one of them is explosive? We shouldn't have to wait around for the next Jimmer to go deep in the tourney. All we need is some depth and game in the frontcourt because I believe the guards will continue to be solid going forward.

Gunk

3/28/2011, 5:40:30 PM

Although preferred, it doesn't necessarily take a prolific big man to establish an inside presence. In the last few games we saw Jimmer cutting to the basket and getting an easy layup.

Knowing that defenses would collapse completely on a driving Jimmer, it boggles my mind that the coaches didn't game plan for Jimmer to drive and dish to a cutting Abouo, KC, Noah or even Emery. Opponents would have had to stop collapsing so much on Jimmer in the key, which then would have freed him up. It would have been a win/win.

Instead, our guys camped out at the 3 point line.

I don't buy the excuse that there isn't time to create or establish a inside presence. BYU knew Jimmer would be doubled teamed. And when we had Davies, he was often doubled in the post. All Rice/Rose had to do was tell Noah, Abouo or KC that when they see Davies get doubled up they're supposed to cut to the weak side to either get a pass and a lay-in or help with the board. It's basketball 101. Instead, it was Davies going 1:1 or 1:2 while Noah watched from the arc.

Metal Bubba

3/28/2011, 6:14:34 PM

Let's go after Mark Pope to coach the big men. He won a NC at Kentucky, played in the NBA and is now coaching at Wake Forest. That means he will be out of a job at the end of next year, because the current HC sucks and is already on the hot seat after only 1 season.

Also, he teaches a pretty good EQ class. 8)

EM_Puma

3/28/2011, 7:44:18 PM

What had brought my attention crashing onto that deduction a couple of years ago was when a trainer working with Trent Plaistead had commented that Trent was lacking in some "big men" skills. There were two options. Option one was that it was coaching and option two was that it was the coached. I didn't know for certain, but we've seen several Andersons going through the program over Rose's tenure and until I see consistent play from our big men coming into the program, I would have to deduct that Davies had above the average talent already.

Gunk

3/28/2011, 8:17:18 PM

EM_Puma wrote:
What had brought my attention crashing onto that deduction a couple of years ago was when a trainer working with Trent Plaistead had commented that Trent was lacking in some "big men" skills. There were two options. Option one was that it was coaching and option two was that it was the coached. I didn't know for certain, but we've seen several Andersons going through the program over Rose's tenure and until I see consistent play from our big men coming into the program, I would have to deduct that Davies had above the average talent already.

A bit more dedication to improving his craft.

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