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HC Announcement Timing

by Cougarbib · 3/6/2011

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Cougarbib
The HC Office gets criticized for moving too fast and then moving too slow. People quibble over wording on announcements. And innocent people get muckraked. I guess that is the instant information age we live in.



I just wanted to add, without referencing any individuals, because I have not even looked at the football forum for weeks until today and reading disheartening rumors, and I know absolutely nothing about them.



But re timing. I refer to the Jim McMahon dilemna. BYU got accused of waiting too long for waiting until after the season ended. In reality, I would guess that they waited until the Semester ended, which happened to coincide and provided a window to take action without drawing much attention to it - probably in the interest of the student athlete. But I don't want to start that debate here.



I just know from personal experience that the HC Office will sometimes try to drag out their investigations and committee reviews a bit to accomodate the completion of a semester depending on the nature and circumstances of the offense.



But, to dismiss from a team or even school mid-semester happens when it is also mid-season and the University would not want to be self-serving by putting it off to win a game or championship. Procrastination of that nature puts the school and Church in a bad light. The Jim McMahon actions and timing are still rattling around.



For the record - I love Jim McMahon. I continue to hope that time will heal all wounds there.



I hope nothing big is up with any of our football players. Whatever is up will likely become clear at the end of the semester but possibly not until fall camp. I trust BYU will act in the best interest of the student athlete in every situation to the best of their ability - taking an eternal perspective in each case. You can be assured that prayers are involved in decision making.
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bigbluepuma
Thanks. Good perspective.
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SpiffCoug
Jim McMahon and his experience with BYU and the Honor Code Office is virtually irrelevant when discussing current athletes and enforcement of the HC. The HC is much more stringently enforced and it is much more difficult to "get away" with breaking it.
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bigbluepuma
SpiffCoug wrote:
Jim McMahon and his experience with BYU and the Honor Code Office is virtually irrelevant when discussing current athletes and enforcement of the HC. The HC is much more stringently enforced and it is much more difficult to "get away" with breaking it.


I think part of that may be because of Jim McMahon and the backlash (still going on) over him staying in school until after the season ended (no one looks at the reason, just at the fact that the football star wasn't suspended as soon as they think he should have been).
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SpiffCoug
bigbluepuma wrote:
Jim McMahon and his experience with BYU and the Honor Code Office is virtually irrelevant when discussing current athletes and enforcement of the HC. The HC is much more stringently enforced and it is much more difficult to "get away" with breaking it.


I think part of that may be because of Jim McMahon and the backlash (still going on) over him staying in school until after the season ended (no one looks at the reason, just at the fact that the football star wasn't suspended as soon as they think he should have been).

yes and no. BYU didn't really start cracking down on the honor code the semester after McMahon. They did for him, but there was plenty of looking the other way until the mid-90s. And it wasn't until Crowton's infamous 2004 recruiting class came to town that really cemented the HC was no joke.
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Lawboy
I agree. It was the Crowton era stuff, that coincided with the explosion of information on the internet, that forced the changes. Back in McMahon's day, little info got out, and not on such a large scale, so BYU had less to protect in that regard. Now, things really are different. It realy does force BYU's hand in protecting its image more. And rightly so.
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SpiffCoug
I just wish when HC violations occurred, it didn't seem like BYU was more concerned about protecting its image than helping its students. I'm not saying BYU doesn't do that, it just seems like BYU"s image is paramount at times like this.
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