Justice for Jake Heaps

After questioning earlier if Heaps was the worst freshman BYU QB ever, now I take a look at his case for being the best freshman BYU QB ever.



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I think you would be right by making both statements.



Heaps was the worst BYU QB ever, up until the bye week, after which he became the best freshman QB ever.

Good find--I enjoyed reading that.



One difference between Heaps & Detmer: Heaps was a true freshman, but Detmer was a redshirt freshman.

Another difference between Heaps & Detmer: Covey was an established starter, and therefore it made sense to play him over Detmer for a year. There was no established starter when Heaps was here.

Best. You judge based upon the total body of work. Simple as that. If you want to break it in half, do that for every other freshman then, and see how they stand. Detmer had some pretty bad games, especially his first. And then he got better with experience just like Jake. Based upon stats, Jake wins out. Just hope he continues to get better, because he is not there yet.

Best Freshman QB at BYU? Worst Freshman QB at BYU? Who cares? Two years from now, no one will care about his struggles at the beginning of his Freshman year. Mark my words, he's going to go down as a top 3 BYU QB all time. And if he stays all 4 years, maybe THE best BYU QB all time. In my mind, the 2010 season was nothing but a series of scrimmages getting Heaps and the rest of the team ready for 2011, 2012, and, hopefully, 2013.

Yep, you have to look at the entire body of work. Up until the bye-week, the statement that he was the worst freshman starting QB ever at BYU was entirely correct. In fact, he was the QB ever at BYU, up to that point.



But the season didn't end at the bye-week. Jake got much better. He played much better. By the end, he was a very serviceable QB as a whole and just looking at the last five games, he was playing at a level commiserate with where a starting BYU QB should be.



By the end, he did a lot of things many QBs at BYU never did. He now has as many bowl wins as Detmer, Sarkisian, Bosco, Young, and Beck. Was it a great year? Not when taking the whole of it. Was it a good year? Probably not when taking the whole of it. Was a necessary year? Probably.



Does it bode well for the future? I'd like to think so. Remember, don't get caught up in revisionist history. Just because he turned the corner and went from gawd-awful QB to very productive QB, doesn't make the criticism of his play when he stunk any less valid than the praise he rightfully deserved when he played well.



So he was both the best and worst freshman QB at BYU. The two are not exclusionary nor contradictory.

If you're going to call Heaps the worst freshman QB ever, then I think you need an asterisk---*he also had the worst receiving corps in history, until after the bye week.



Also, because of the kind of defense BYU is playing, and Bronco is putting together, I doubt Jake will ever throw for as many yards as Detmer. Detmer was "blessed" with an awful defense most of his career, so he had to just keep throwing and throwing and throwing to try to win games. I don't see that being the case for Heaps. The running game will also be better I think.

Oh no, not again. Didn't we hash this out last season? Heaven help us all.

bball wrote:
If you're going to call Heaps the worst freshman QB ever, then I think you need an asterisk---*he also had the worst receiving corps in history, until after the bye week.

:roll:



Maybe you should read this comment and tell me what is wrong with it. Since I doubt you will see it, let me explain.



It was also the same recieving corps that helped him become the best freshman QB in BYU history. Common denominator?....Heaps. When Heaps was struggling, it was Heaps struggling, when Heaps started playing well, the rest of the offense started looking good too. The two are not seperable.

frdbtr wrote:

If you're going to call Heaps the worst freshman QB ever, then I think you need an asterisk---*he also had the worst receiving corps in history, until after the bye week.

:roll:



Maybe you should read this comment and tell me what is wrong with it. Since I doubt you will see it, let me explain.



It was also the same recieving corps that helped him become the best freshman QB in BYU history. Common denominator?....Heaps. When Heaps was struggling, it was Heaps struggling, when Heaps started playing well, the rest of the offense started looking good too. The two are not seperable.

Good job frtbtr. Your use of logical phallicy is unmistakably your own sense of logic shaped to your opinion, as usual.

Its why Bronco called out the whole receiving corp, right?

Yes Heaps had to improve--AND as a freshman, he really needed to. BUt as a Sr., do we really expect Ashworth to be dropping that many balls and conclude that it was Heaps' fault--as the "common denominator"? C'mon. Bring something slightly more intelligent than your flimsy rhetoric. Some of this thread is nothing more than Heaps nay-sayers trying to make themselves feel better about their previous horriblizing of Heaps.

please show one comment where anyone "horribilized" Heaps, or stop trolling.



Even Ben Cahoon couldn't hold onto Heaps passes last year, because the kid was so ramped up he was throwing everything with every bit of mustard he had. He finally started to feel comfortable in the offense and started throwing catchable balls. That is great that the kid could do that. Why would you want to take that growth away from him and put it all on the receivers?

dmcougar wrote:
Good job frtbtr. Your use of logical phallicy is unmistakably your own sense of logic shaped to your opinion, as usual.

Its why Bronco called out the whole receiving corp, right?

Yes Heaps had to improve--AND as a freshman, he really needed to. BUt as a Sr., do we really expect Ashworth to be dropping that many balls and conclude that it was Heaps' fault--as the "common denominator"? C'mon. Bring something slightly more intelligent than your flimsy rhetoric. Some of this thread is nothing more than Heaps nay-sayers trying to make themselves feel better about their previous horriblizing of Heaps.

I don't think this phrase means what you think it means. So I did a google search and this is is what I found that was football related.

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Talking about phallic-y. :bug:

The word is "fallacy." I once read a paper by a young lady who said her date's "colon" smelled great...turns out she meant "cologne."



Also, I don't get how this is "justice" for Heaps. He WAS performing as the worst QB in BYU history, and he improved greatly after the bye week and turned his season around. Why does he need justice? Where is the injustice?

I didn't realize that failing to call Heaps the greatest ever when he had a passer rating of 87.56 with a TD:INT ratio of 2:7 and was completing 52% of his passes all of which were the lowest of ANY player at BYU who have ever played QB was "horriblizing" him. I thought it was stating the truth. Just like the truth was after the bye-week he was very good.



Again, to now claim he was the worst ever is dishonest and not looking at the entire season. To only focus on the good is also dishonest because it too doesn't look at the whole.



As a whole, Jake was a very good freshman QB, but a pretty average starting QB with a 6-4 record with a decent TD:INT ration (15:9) and still relatively mediocre QB rating (115.90).



Jake is definitely primed for a breakout season and excellent career and none of that somehow nullifies how bad his play was early in the season.

Schmoe wrote:
The word is "fallacy." I once read a paper by a young lady who said her date's "colon" smelled great...turns out she meant "cologne."



Also, I don't get how this is "justice" for Heaps. He WAS performing as the worst QB in BYU history, and he improved greatly after the bye week and turned his season around. Why does he need justice? Where is the injustice?

Exactly what I was just finished saying in about 1/10 the space. Excellent post Schmoe.

CougarPeasant, please help out Schmoe, he's a little slow.....to get the point.

hawkwing wrote:
please show one comment where anyone "horribilized" Heaps, or stop trolling.



Even Ben Cahoon couldn't hold onto Heaps passes last year, because the kid was so ramped up he was throwing everything with every bit of mustard he had. He finally started to feel comfortable in the offense and started throwing catchable balls. That is great that the kid could do that. Why would you want to take that growth away from him and put it all on the receivers?

Hawk, if "trolling" means watching out for the kind of junk logic and comments that give Jake all the blame or all the credit (as in "common denominator") I'm not likely to "stop trolling".

If, however, you are accusing me of being a "Ute troll" that's either pretty low or pretty uninformed--but that cant be it bc I know you read most posts.

Or, if there is some other kind of "trolling" I dont know about, please enlighten me.

dmcougar wrote:

please show one comment where anyone "horribilized" Heaps, or stop trolling.



Even Ben Cahoon couldn't hold onto Heaps passes last year, because the kid was so ramped up he was throwing everything with every bit of mustard he had. He finally started to feel comfortable in the offense and started throwing catchable balls. That is great that the kid could do that. Why would you want to take that growth away from him and put it all on the receivers?

Hawk, if "trolling" means watching out for the kind of junk logic and comments that give Jake all the blame or all the credit (as in "common denominator") I'm not likely to "stop trolling".

If, however, you are accusing me of being a "Ute troll" that's either pretty low or pretty uninformed--but that cant be it bc I know you read most posts.

Or, if there is some other kind of "trolling" I dont know about, please enlighten me.

So, just show some examples of how posters "horribilized" Heaps undeservedly. Otherwise you're answering a question that no one asked, and what's the point in that?

hawkwing wrote:
please show one comment where anyone "horribilized" Heaps, or stop trolling.



Even Ben Cahoon couldn't hold onto Heaps passes last year, because the kid was so ramped up he was throwing everything with every bit of mustard he had. He finally started to feel comfortable in the offense and started throwing catchable balls. That is great that the kid could do that. Why would you want to take that growth away from him and put it all on the receivers?

That is a not correct, based upon the numbers. It may have been the case on some throws, but not a majority. Go back and watch the USU game, and contrast it to the Utah game. In the USU games, guys dropped gimmee passes, where in the Utah game games made the tough catches for Jake on well thrown balls. Jake was far from perfect. But as the receiving number kitic posted showed, the receiving corp was FAR worse than Jake was. FAR worse. Jake numbers turned around in part to easier competition, but also in his guys starting to make plays in the 2nd half of the year. And the receiving efficiency numbers back it up.