How to get Minority recruits to love BYU

Hire these guys:



http://blackpeopleloveus.com/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



(see also Vai's blog thread....)

I prefer just winning.

BYU (and a lot of other schools) have had a lot of black recruits that never worked out, never did much, or got kicked out of school. Frankly, advocating "minority recruits" is kind of racist. If you are saying we need more speed, then say that, or more size, or height, or whatever--blacks don't have a corner on athletic ability.



Jimmer Freddette eats up every black player who guards him

Austin Collie ate (eats) black corners and safeties for lunch every day



And don't polynesians count as "minorities"? We certainly get our share of those guys.



But wait, you weren't really serious were you?

Just win, baby!

Someone already posted that:



http://marriottschool.byu.edu/diversity/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

snoscythe wrote:
Someone already posted that:



http://marriottschool.byu.edu/diversity/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's unbelievable. I've almost convinced myself that that website copied the marriott school of bidness.



:D :lol:

Law school also promotes diversity.



"The admissions policies of the J. Reuben Clark Law School are designed to enhance the diversity..."



http://www.law2.byu.edu/admissions/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Are you guys really suggesting BYU is wrong to be doing this?

Gordo wrote:
Law school also promotes diversity.



"The admissions policies of the J. Reuben Clark Law School are designed to enhance the diversity..."



http://www.law2.byu.edu/admissions/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Are you guys really suggesting BYU is wrong to be doing this?

Gordo. Chill man.



Everyone wants diversity. That doesn't mean picking less qualified students. If that's what the law school is doing, I don't agree with it.



Let's bring this back to the football world. O. Chambers was given a scholarship at BYU because the BYU coaches felt he was playing football at a level higher than those white wide receivers all over Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Arizona and elsewhere. I want the Law school to pick by the same standards. Choose the guy who has proven he is someone you can't pass up. I don't care if he is white, black, brown, purple or orange.



Get it out of your head that color=favoritism I no longer have an issue. I too would be offended if my face was on the School of business front page. It has a dog and pony show feel to it that just doesn't sit right with me. Maybe it's because it screams "HEY look at me, I wasn't the most qualified, but I'm doing fine because I don't look like the rest of the white people here and got some special treatment".

declocoug wrote:

Law school also promotes diversity.



"The admissions policies of the J. Reuben Clark Law School are designed to enhance the diversity..."



http://www.law2.byu.edu/admissions/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Are you guys really suggesting BYU is wrong to be doing this?

Gordo. Chill man.



Everyone wants diversity. That doesn't mean picking less qualified students. If that's what the law school is doing, I don't agree with it.



Let's bring this back to the football world. O. Chambers was given a scholarship at BYU because the BYU coaches felt he was playing football at a level higher than those white wide receivers all over Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Arizona and elsewhere. I want the Law school to pick by the same standards. Choose the guy who has proven he is someone you can't pass up. I don't care if he is white, black, brown, purple or orange.



Get it out of your head that color=favoritism I no longer have an issue. I too would be offended if my face was on the School of business front page. It has a dog and pony show feel to it that just doesn't sit right with me. Maybe it's because it screams "HEY look at me, I wasn't the most qualified, but I'm doing fine because I don't look like the rest of the white people here and got some special treatment".

I agree with BYU, and proud of the school and it's leadership in this area. You don't. I'm cool with that. Not a big deal.

Not a big deal? I don't know where I would have got the impression that you thought it was a big deal. :roll:

snoscythe wrote:
Someone already posted that:



http://marriottschool.byu.edu/diversity/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't think I am a fan of this page. It may be trying to make a positive statement but just seems to rub me the wrong way. Hard to explain. Here is one of the blurbs that seems to be contrary to what the page is about.



"Everyone at the Marriott School provides tremendous support to ensure that you succeed. At the Marriott School, you are not a number, people know you by name. You are able to make a positive and real difference to the program."



But they seem to know you by color or race too if this page is any indication. Just seems to rub me the wrong way. Maybe its because they didn't have a white person on the page too. Don't whites add to the diversity too?

imuakahuku wrote:

Someone already posted that:



http://marriottschool.byu.edu/diversity/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't think I am a fan of this page. It may be trying to make a positive statement but just seems to rub me the wrong way. Hard to explain. Here is one of the blurbs that seems to be contrary to what the page is about.



"Everyone at the Marriott School provides tremendous support to ensure that you succeed. At the Marriott School, you are not a number, people know you by name. You are able to make a positive and real difference to the program."



But they seem to know you by color or race too if this page is any indication. Just seems to rub me the wrong way. Maybe its because they didn't have a white person on the page too. Don't whites add to the diversity too?

When I enrolled at another law school, part of our orientation was signing release forms for the school to use our images in marketing materials. I didn't bother signing mine and never heard about it again. A korean girl in our class also didn't sign hers, but the school sent her emails asking if she had forgotten to turn it in. When I mentioned that I didn't get any reminders, she got pretty angry about it. After years of people in high school and college thinking she was getting handouts, this was just too much as it was pretty blatant that the school wanted to use her "diversity" to market a school with about 20% minority enrollment.

declocoug wrote:
Let's bring this back to the football world. O. Chambers was given a scholarship at BYU because the BYU coaches felt he was playing football at a level higher than those white wide receivers all over Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Arizona and elsewhere. I want the Law school to pick by the same standards. Choose the guy who has proven he is someone you can't pass up. I don't care if he is white, black, brown, purple or orange.

Yeah, spot on buddy. Who cares if the person is white, black, brown, purple, orange, or even they they look like me, everybody is welcome.

I have a really hard time with diversity initiatives, because I have seen them blow up badly by putting unqualified people in places they shouldn't be. No one will say so, but they're generally quota-based and stem from fear of lacking diversity. That is usually translated into "we have to be diverse to be successful." Wrong. We have to be talented. Let's ID the best talent, and pick those who will be a good fit is a good model. There are diverse places to find talent and fit.



With that, here's my opinion on what's going at at BYUs professional schools.



I personally know 3 of the 6 alums on the MSM page.



I know for a fact they had options other than BYU at more prestigious universities. I consider myself friends with 2 of them and have mentored all 3. Each was offered financial aid by BYU to come and enroll in the program, however, each more than qualified for their spot considering their GMATs, work experience, and undergrad GPA. So I can tell you straight up that they weren't brought in just for their diversity, though one friend used the line "BYU's getting more diverse one brotha at time!"



Like it or not, what the MSM (and JRCLS) are doing is responding to their customers: Recruiters. Several large customers have stopped doing busines with BYU due to lack of diversity. Translation: recruiters stopped hiring BYU students because they can't reach thier own diversity goals with BYU students.



Whether those goals are right or not is debatable. However, BYU is producing a product, and if customers won't buy, then some tweaking will happen. Even at the subsidized tuition, BYU can't tell enrollees that they may or may not have a job when they graduate because there aren't enough diverse candidates to attract top notch recruiters.



It's kind of like "green" initiatives. Some of my customers are in the mining industry and if I can't help them be "green neighbors", they will look elsewhere for services I offer. What's not relevant is whether the "green initiatives" matter.



On a related note, I have also been told by a Dean of the MSM that after Prop 8 several major companies elected to stop hiring from BYU. He asked me if mine might do the same (we didn't).



Not trying to hijack the thread, just offering my insights.

Last time I was in Provo, the sign "The World IS Our Campus" was still standing. For that to be credibile takes effort, creativity, and possibly making some exceptions. When I went to BYU, I didn't notice the lack of diversity because coming from a small town in Utah, I didn't know what diversity was.



If you are white, I strongly encourage you to move some place where most people are not white and walk in a different pair of shoes - ie u r the minority. It will make you a better person. And you will have an opportunity to discover a number of misperceptions you may have carried.



To make minorities want to be in Provo to learn and for you to have the opportunity to learn from them - make it more comfortable for them to be there. Many of you have or will serve missions. My son went to India - and he loves beef - how ironic. My favorite picture from his mission is when he found some hole-in-the-wall butcher with some beef hanging from a hook in a small and not particularly clean looking room with my son reaching up to cut off some of that raw beef with a knife they gave him and clowning up that "Heres the Beef" look on his face. India felt very foreign to him until he learned to love it and its people.



Ever tried to find grits, hominy, and collard greens in Provo? Or an African American girl to date? Hopefully the AD office has enough people of different cultures to help them figure out how to make Provo as comfortable as possible for athletes who will be a long distance from their family and friends in a strange culture that can be quite clickish.

CougarClaw wrote:
Hire these guys:



http://blackpeopleloveus.com/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



(see also Vai's blog thread....)

Did anyone actually GO to this link?



y'all missed the whole point.

snoscythe wrote:

snoscythe wrote:
Someone already posted that:



http://marriottschool.byu.edu/diversity/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't think I am a fan of this page. It may be trying to make a positive statement but just seems to rub me the wrong way. Hard to explain. Here is one of the blurbs that seems to be contrary to what the page is about.



"Everyone at the Marriott School provides tremendous support to ensure that you succeed. At the Marriott School, you are not a number, people know you by name. You are able to make a positive and real difference to the program."



But they seem to know you by color or race too if this page is any indication. Just seems to rub me the wrong way. Maybe its because they didn't have a white person on the page too. Don't whites add to the diversity too?

When I enrolled at another law school, part of our orientation was signing release forms for the school to use our images in marketing materials. I didn't bother signing mine and never heard about it again. A korean girl in our class also didn't sign hers, but the school sent her emails asking if she had forgotten to turn it in. When I mentioned that I didn't get any reminders, she got pretty angry about it. After years of people in high school and college thinking she was getting handouts, this was just too much as it was pretty blatant that the school wanted to use her "diversity" to market a school with about 20% minority enrollment.

I wonder why they didn't hound you more. As the only "blue" student there I am sure they wanted your profile to advertise to any other blue people that want to feel safe/secure.

btw - I went to the link. It is hilarious. It is a total mock-up and not real.



I like the quote from the black lady that has dreadlocks:



"Susan is so nice, she is always asking if my hair is real and wanting to touch it."

urroner wrote:

Let's bring this back to the football world. O. Chambers was given a scholarship at BYU because the BYU coaches felt he was playing football at a level higher than those white wide receivers all over Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Arizona and elsewhere. I want the Law school to pick by the same standards. Choose the guy who has proven he is someone you can't pass up. I don't care if he is white, black, brown, purple or orange.

Yeah, spot on buddy. Who cares if the person is white, black, brown, purple, orange, or even they they look like me, everybody is welcome.

For us that is true, but for policy makers, administration, or media that is not true at all.

How do you get Minority recruits.... show them the Co-Eds!!!