This is outrageous

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Not only should Washington be ashamed, but Romar should be fired if this kid ever plays again.



1. statuatory rape



2. providing alcohol to a minor



and the kid hasn't missed a day of practice



I suggest everyone post this on your facebook page before the Pac 10 and Washington attempts to sweep this under the rug.

Shouldn't there be charges against the kid before he is thrown off the team by his coach?



If he did what she claims, then throw the full book at him. But what if this is a 16 year old girl who is crying wolf?



Seems to me that you are encouraging people to play judge and jury before the police have even charged him. I would at least wait until that happens before anything is done.

There are few things in life I am more afraid of than being accused of rape or sexual harassment by someone who decided they didn't like me.



The actual crimes are inexcusable and should never be tolerated, but a lot of power to destroy is given to accusers long before any charges are submitted.

Looking at the comments, most are critical of the girl. It's possible that she is crying wolf, but I think it's more probable that the UW people are just trying to sweep this under the rug. The father is trying not to let that happen. Obviously she is guilty of bad judgment, but what 16-year old starry-eyed girl wouldn't be? It looks like the victim here is being tried and prosecuted in the court of public opinion.

Here's my problem with this. Would BYU allow an accused player to keep playing?



The girl is 16, the player purchased alcohol for her... Chris Hansen would be all over that.



Did they have consensual sex and then she decided to call it rape? Does it matter? She's 16.



There's a former seminary teacher in Utah that's scratching his head on this one.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJLhQoxenB8&feature=related

If player concurs that sex occurred, BAM. Gone! Doesnt matter if she is inflaming the situation. Its why its called statutory!

Udub has resources, this never happened. Is Crowton working there?

[quote="craigoscarson"]Here's my problem with this. Would BYU allow an accused player to keep playing?



The girl is 16, the player purchased alcohol for her... Chris Hansen would be all over that.



Did they have consensual sex and then she decided to call it rape? Does it matter? She's 16.



There's a former seminary teacher in Utah that's scratching his head on this one.



[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJLhQoxenB8

YBrit wrote:
Udub has resources, this never happened. Is Crowton working there?

Nope. Otherwise Locker would have had an even worse year!

craigoscarson wrote:
Here's my problem with this. Would BYU allow an accused player to keep playing?



The girl is 16, the player purchased alcohol for her... Chris Hansen would be all over that.



Did they have consensual sex and then she decided to call it rape? Does it matter? She's 16.



There's a former seminary teacher in Utah that's scratching his head on this one.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJLhQoxenB8&feature=related

The Seminary teacher, who might have even been the head of the seminary iirc, did plead innocent after being arrested and charged and eventually the justice system prevailed and he was either convicted or did a plea bargain - though most of his students rallied to his support. In other words, he got his day in court.



I won't go into details here to protect the identiy of victims, but I have known several victims of sex related crimes including extended family members - one was 6 and had to testify in court. I am fully on board with supporting victims - even though there will sometimes be false accusers.



But a coach cannot take action against a player who has not even been interrogated, let alone charged or convicted. His school would get sued and lose, especially if later the girl recanted either because it never happened or because she just recanted.. Just buying alcohol for a minor would be sufficient for me to take action - yes - but even that has not been charged, let alone proven.



In the case I mentioned, which involved an entire neighborhood, I do recall how agonizingly long it took for the system to do its work. At first I was furious. I even called on behalf of my relative and talked to the investigator about why the investigation was moving so slowly. Here is the answer I got "We are inundated with cases, we are trying to get to this, this accused person is at least known to be accused by your entire neighborhood and people can take precautions, but we have other cases where the accused is a family member and still living in the same home as the accuser and those take priority". Sad statment on how things are in America. But the system did eventually work - 6 years for that guy in prison - should have been longer. When this player gets arrested for the alcohol or other charges, they can suspend him. Before then, they, unfortunatley, do not have legal standing to do so imho.

Anyone remember the Duke Lacrosse team? They were convicted in the public forum, kicked off the team and out of school. Womens groups on campus picketed their homes and followed them until they were driven out of town, only to find the charges were the delusions of a very troubled girl out for revenge and a public prosecutor with political ambitions. Those guys will never completely get their reputations back.



I prefer to wait until the charges have been proven in a court of law. We do try to have people innocent until proven guilty in this country.

Another reason to avoid the very appearance of evil, making it much harder for false accusations to stick to you.

KYCoug wrote:
Anyone remember the Duke Lacrosse team? They were convicted in the public forum, kicked off the team and out of school. Womens groups on campus picketed their homes and followed them until they were driven out of town, only to find the charges were the delusions of a very troubled girl out for revenge and a public prosecutor with political ambitions. Those guys will never completely get their reputations back.



I prefer to wait until the charges have been proven in a court of law. We do try to have people innocent until proven guilty in this country.

Let's be honest the big difference here is race. There is only one white player on the Huskies bball team.

dmcougar wrote:
If player concurs that sex occurred, BAM. Gone! Doesnt matter if she is inflaming the situation. Its why its called statutory!

That's kind of where I'm at.



Regardless if he has been found guilty of the crime, I would have to have my own understanding between he and I. Did you do it? If you did, and that was in breaking the team rules (which at BYU is definitly an HC violation), then you are subject to applicable punishment which could possibly be an immediate suspension from the team. If the player denied it, then unless there was some compelling evidence, then you wait for the chips to fall, and then if the player even just misled you and it wasn't even as bad as others thought the situation was, but they weren't truthful and were only hoping they would not be caught, then they are gone from the team. That is the consequence of the situation.

KYCoug wrote:
Anyone remember the Duke Lacrosse team? They were convicted in the public forum, kicked off the team and out of school. Womens groups on campus picketed their homes and followed them until they were driven out of town, only to find the charges were the delusions of a very troubled girl out for revenge and a public prosecutor with political ambitions. Those guys will never completely get their reputations back.

Not only this, but the entire lacrosse team (a top 10 program) had their season cancelled, all because of @%#@!%@#$^# Mike Nifong jumping the gun. That whole thing was just a huge mess.