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Stephen Rogers - We need this guy!!!!

by beauso79 · 12/2/2010

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beauso79
Magnusson over Rogers is crap. Sure Rogers is struggling to adjust to the new team but when Rogers game finally show's up we could phenomenal. We all know he can shoot and when he's played his defense has been stellar, maybe Rose is just trying to challenge him as he did Davies. Remember it took Rose until NCAA tourny to start playing Jimmer over Murdock, I hope Rogers is able to step up sooner than that
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Gunk
beauso79 wrote:
Magnusson over Rogers is crap. Sure Rogers is struggling to adjust to the new team but when Rogers game finally show's up we could phenomenal. We all know he can shoot and when he's played his defense has been stellar, maybe Rose is just trying to challenge him as he did Davies. Remember it took Rose until NCAA tourny to start playing Jimmer over Murdock, I hope Rogers is able to step up sooner than that


Rogers defense is good, but I think Rose worries that he gets pushed around a bit. Rogers is tall, but there's not much mass to him. Rogers is 6' 8" and 195 lbs. Magnusson is two inches shorter, but has 15 lbs on Rogers.



If Rogers were making his shots it probably wouldn't be as much an issue.
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Italics
if Coach Rose is going to get Rogers broken in I hope he does it soon - conference play is gonna be brutal this year.
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SpiffCoug
How about Rogers starts making shots? That'd be a great place for Rogers to start. He is currently the worst shooter on the team and has the lowest points available percentage.
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EM_Puma
I am curious how he is doing in practice. Is it that his practice game doesn't translate into his real game or is he sucking it up there too? It would be nice to know. We do need him and it would be great to have someone dependable.
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beauso79
kitic77 wrote:
How about Rogers starts making shots? That'd be a great place for Rogers to start. He is currently the worst shooter on the team and has the lowest points available percentage.


It's hard to make shots sitting on the bench
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SpiffCoug
beauso79 wrote:
How about Rogers starts making shots? That'd be a great place for Rogers to start. He is currently the worst shooter on the team and has the lowest points available percentage.


It's hard to make shots sitting on the bench

It's the proverbial chicken and the egg debate. Is he missing shots because he's not playing enough or is he not playing enough because he's missing shots?



When you're the new guy on a team, you need to take advantage of your opportunities - limited though they may be. It took Loyd an entire red-shirt season and most of last year to finally start taking advantage of his limited opportunities.



Rogers will get his chances and he has to start doing better with them than he has been. His rebounding has been great, but he's got to start making shots or he'll keep the seat next Winder warm all year.
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mike_j
beauso79 wrote:
How about Rogers starts making shots? That'd be a great place for Rogers to start. He is currently the worst shooter on the team and has the lowest points available percentage.


It's hard to make shots sitting on the bench


You missed the second sentence. When he's not on the bench, he's the worst shooter on the team.
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Italics
fire Rose!
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beauso79
Italics wrote:
fire Rose!


How about FIRE Italics
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beauso79 wrote:
fire Rose!


How about FIRE Italics

:lol: :lol:
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SpiffCoug
See what happens when you make shots when you get limited opportunities? You get more opportunities. Rogers came in the first half when the game was close. He promptly hit some big shots, scored 11 points and helped turn a close game in to a big lead at the half. He played 19 minutes, grabbed 5 rebounds (2nd on the team) and probably earned some more minutes in the rotation.



Sports is a results-based endeavor. Produce results or sit. He produced. Props to Rogers for stepping up and helping lift his team.
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craigoscarson
Dave Rose mentioned on the KSL postgame that he was so concerned with Rogers feeling comfortable shooting that he put him on the scout team and told him to fire away without the confines of trying to run the offense.



Obviously, Rose has a plan with the offense and it requires players to be comfortable running it; when they are, they produce.



We have Stephen for 3 years and aside from needing some serious bulk (he should be pounding protein and carb loading every 2-3 hours) he needs to get more comfortable with the team and the offense. The good thing, is that he's got talent, height, and he certainly can shoot when he's got confidence. I actually saw him pass up shots last night that I really thought he should have taken.
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SpiffCoug
I like Rogers. If his shot can come around (hopefully last night wasn't a one-off), he can be a great asset. He's got a great rebounding sense. He gets himself in good positions to grab the rebound and he's got long arms that help him as well.
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Cougs_Rule
Great thread. We do need this guy. Such a great addition if he can continue to come along. He adds that tyler Haws-like element of both running, outside shooting and solid rebounding. Whether he ends up starting over KC and CA or fills at the 4, love the depth that seems to be starting to develop.



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dmcougar wrote:
Great thread. We do need this guy. Such a great addition if he can continue to come along. He adds that tyler Haws-like element of both running, outside shooting and solid rebounding. Whether he ends up starting over KC and CA or fills at the 4, love the depth that seems to be starting to develop.



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agreed, I didn't originally think we'd miss Haws that much this year since we were already such a great shooting team without him, but this year our shooting percentage has been pretty sub-par, and so having Rogers step up as a consistent shooter could be huge for us, especially on nights when Jimmer and Emery are off.
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GolfDiveNCougs
Italics wrote:
Great thread. We do need this guy. Such a great addition if he can continue to come along. He adds that tyler Haws-like element of both running, outside shooting and solid rebounding. Whether he ends up starting over KC and CA or fills at the 4, love the depth that seems to be starting to develop.



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agreed, I didn't originally think we'd miss Haws that much this year since we were already such a great shooting team without him, but this year our shooting percentage has been pretty sub-par, and so having Rogers step up as a consistent shooter could be huge for us, especially on nights when Jimmer and Emery are off.


Haws has been a bigger hole to fill than most of us realized simply because a fast-paced offense is most effective when it has OPTIONS. It was mentioned before that the dangerous thing about Haws was that his shot forced a defender to camp in his lap. If anyone didn't, he got the ball and the shot went down. If they did, that opened everything up more. In as much transition ball as we played last year, it was great having 4 guys out there who could knock down almost any shot on the run. We really don't have that this year (the ability to do it on the run, that is). KC is a slasher, but hasn't got the spot-up mentality (or stroke) that Haws has, and neither Hartsock nor Davies have the speed OR shot that Tavernari had. He could actually start a break better than many of us gave him credit for, because in his heart, he was a 2, but he had a great nose for the rebound (wasn't he 2nd on the team? Not bad for a 6'5 kid). Both Haws and Tavernari just had this instinctual skill to move well with or without the ball in the open court. We now have only Jimmer and Jax who we trust 1)to actually BE at the other end of the court before the defense, and 2) to make the shot when it comes to them, which I think is why Rose has toned the speed-demon down a bit, and worked us out of a half-court set much more often (and effectively).



And as it relates to the break, preliminarily, that's why I like what I've seen from Rogers. He'd be a good compliment to Jimmer and Jax in that he can be the guy who takes the pass on the break and pulls up like Tyler was. I was always SO afraid when JT would stop-and-pop - that wasn't his style of rhythm. His best 3-ball was out of a swing-it setup. If he was gonna shoot on a break, I only felt comfortable with layups from him. He was useful, though, because he was a 4 that could run on the break. Rogers can play the 4, but he's got the quickness to be a JT type break-runner, AND the shooting style to be a good stop-and-pop option like Haws.



I actually like the hybrid style we've settled into. We can run when the opportunity presents itself (4 guys on the floor who can run), but we've shown that we can make plenty of shots with the defense in front of us. Charles and Kyle are both better half-courters, imo. Now that we've got three (when CC is healthy) actual post-players who'll see considerable time, chances are good we're going to have 2 guys on the court who are not expected to be down the court before a defender is on a break. That limits us to only 3 options at any one time who are our "breakers," so we pull it back, settle into a half-court set with competent (if not overpowering) big-men, and make a defense choose whether to play us 3 on 4 with a doubled Jimmer, which we've shown we can easily beat, or let Jimmer go off on just one defender.



I agree though, for our offense this year, Rogers can be effective in either part of the hybrid. The Hawaii game showed that he can make smart decisions and take good shots in the half-court, but he's also got the nose to be a court-stretcher.
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beauso79
Played pretty decent yesterday. Did much better then Magnusson yesterday in my opinion
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scott715
He showed an ability to drive to the basket. Maybe he is adjusting to the D1 speed now.
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beauso79
So Rose continues to elect to use Magnusson over Rogers and I don't see why. Magnusson can't score and doesn't play all that well defensively. There are a lot of teams in the Big East that make due with a lenky-not so big guy at the 4 because they are athletic. Rogers is more athletic than both Hartsock and Magnusson plus Rogers can score and handle the ball well as he showed last night. I mean use him at the 3 more and maybe let Charles play the 4 when Noah's on the bench. We just need help scoring and he may have some of the freshest legs on the team
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