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No poster knows better than a paid coach?

by Mars · 11/15/2010

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Mars


I don't think there's a single poster on CC that could be hired as the OC at BYU and be successful.

That doesn't mean that we can't sometimes see things better than the coaches do. The 2QB decision, for example, or not using all of the allotted bowl practice time.



Here is one example of what has been said on this board for weeks now, FINALLY put into action and picked up on by reporters:



"I also think the coaching staff examined every angle of the passing game and decided to be more aggressive, opening up the field for Heaps to throw the ball. Now he's working the middle more and it's paying off."

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Cougarfan87
Whatever! I could do it. I took my terrible, undertalented team on Madden '01 (N-64) and beat everyone simply by my play calling prowess which consisted of four or five plays executed to perfection--and running out the clock.



Give me the reins. I'm ready, Coach.



Edited because I think it was Madden '01, not '97. Whichever one has Eddie George on the cover.
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Schmoe
Cougarfan87 wrote:
Whatever! I could do it. I took my terrible, undertalented team on Madden '97 (N-64) and beat everyone simply by my play calling prowess which consisted of four or five plays executed to perfection--and running out the clock.



Give me the reins. I'm ready, Coach.


I won the Madden superbowl on N64 by running the same passing play the entire season. I should be the new OC.
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craigoscarson
I won the Tecmo bowl with Bo Jackson...
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BoiseBYU
Schmoe wrote:
Whatever! I could do it. I took my terrible, undertalented team on Madden '97 (N-64) and beat everyone simply by my play calling prowess which consisted of four or five plays executed to perfection--and running out the clock.



Give me the reins. I'm ready, Coach.


I won the Madden superbowl on N64 by running the same passing play the entire season. I should be the new OC.

I don't even know who the heck Madden is but I know I could call a better game! ;)
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craigoscarson
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Guest
craigoscarson wrote:
http://cache.deadspin.com/images/2006/04/coleco21100.jpg" alt="" loading="lazy" style="max-width:100%">

I used to have this. man it was retarded.
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CougarPeasant
craigoscarson wrote:
I won the Tecmo bowl with Bo Jackson...


Who didn't?!!! ;)



Bo knows Tecmo.
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BoiseBYU
craigoscarson wrote:
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Nothing was worse when your guy was going to go all the way and then at the ten takes a right turn and then turns right again to go back up the sideline to where he started....
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CAFB_04-12
Did that thing vibrate when you turned it on, making the players shake randomly down the field? I had something like that. It was kind of lame.
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SpiffCoug
I think fans can know macro-decisions ahead of paid coaches. It's in the micro decisions that coaches have the real edge. Sometimes, they really can't see the forest for the trees because of how involved they are; so it takes colossal failures for them for them to finally see what's going on.
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Mars
kitic77 wrote:
I think fans can know macro-decisions ahead of paid coaches. It's in the micro decisions that coaches have the real edge. Sometimes, they really can't see the forest for the trees because of how involved they are; so it takes colossal failures for them for them to finally see what's going on.

Good point, and I agree. When Bronco said today that, looking back, he was wrong not to be giving Jake the majority of the snaps against the #1 defense all year, I think most BYU fans let out a collective "DUUUUUUUUH!"



Except for Sno. ;)
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byutx
kitic77 wrote:
I think fans can know macro-decisions ahead of paid coaches. It's in the micro decisions that coaches have the real edge. Sometimes, they really can't see the forest for the trees because of how involved they are; so it takes colossal failures for them for them to finally see what's going on.


This is exactly right. I try not to criticize micro-decisions, esp. individual play calls because I don't know what the O or D was trying to do-whether they were setting the opponent up for a play down the road or whether our guys didn't execute properly. Same goes for players. Some people see a pass miss a wr and complain that the QB sucks without knowing if the wr ran the wrong route, cut it off, didn't sit down in the zone, etc.



As for macro-decisions, I think many fans can and do see mistakes, as kitic pointed out.
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Mars
byutx wrote:
As for macro-decisions, I think many fans can and do see mistakes, as kitic pointed out.

Another example: Short, unphysical practices. Fans have been wondering about this for years (I know I've taken heat on this site for pointing out this coaching mistake specifically).



Recently, Bronco has said that since firing Hill, he has made practices longer and much more physical, and he feels the team is playing at a much higher level because of it. Again, which seemed like a no-brainer decision YEARS ago. Oh well, better late than never.
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SpiffCoug
I'm okay to a certain extent with less hitting in practices. I remember listening to Tom Holmoe talk about when he was with the 49ers and winning Super Bowls that they rarely hit during practices during the season. But shortening practice time and then not using all allocated practices is just asinine and frankly, lazy coaching.
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Mars
kitic77 wrote:
I'm okay to a certain extent with less hitting in practices. I remember listening to Tom Holmoe talk about when he was with the 49ers and winning Super Bowls that they rarely hit during practices during the season. But shortening practice time and then not using all allocated practices is just asinine and frankly, lazy coaching.

The odd thing is, the more physical Bronco's practices have been, the less injuries have seemed to occur. Some of the years with the highest string of players hurt also featured some of the lightest practices.
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EM_Puma
CAFB_04-12 wrote:
Did that thing vibrate when you turned it on, making the players shake randomly down the field? I had something like that. It was kind of lame.


That's all mine did too. What's this handle on the side? That must be some huge technological breakthrough they had come up with. I only could play ever so often as it took a long time to saddle up the dinosaurs each morning for the family.
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Cougarfan87
Mars wrote:
I'm okay to a certain extent with less hitting in practices. I remember listening to Tom Holmoe talk about when he was with the 49ers and winning Super Bowls that they rarely hit during practices during the season. But shortening practice time and then not using all allocated practices is just asinine and frankly, lazy coaching.

The odd thing is, the more physical Bronco's practices have been, the less injuries have seemed to occur. Some of the years with the highest string of players hurt also featured some of the lightest practices.


More physical practices may cause less injuries on the field of play if the players are more prepared for the beating they will take out on the field. I have heard announcers say many times that injuries often occur on the football field when people are only going half speed--they aren't ready for the hits that are coming. That would be an interesting research project that I am sure someone else can look into.
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Brayden Green
Cougarfan87 wrote:
kitic77 wrote:
I'm okay to a certain extent with less hitting in practices. I remember listening to Tom Holmoe talk about when he was with the 49ers and winning Super Bowls that they rarely hit during practices during the season. But shortening practice time and then not using all allocated practices is just asinine and frankly, lazy coaching.

The odd thing is, the more physical Bronco's practices have been, the less injuries have seemed to occur. Some of the years with the highest string of players hurt also featured some of the lightest practices.


More physical practices may cause less injuries on the field of play if the players are more prepared for the beating they will take out on the field. I have heard announcers say many times that injuries often occur on the football field when people are only going half speed--they aren't ready for the hits that are coming. That would be an interesting research project that I am sure someone else can look into.


I heard they are doing yoga, too. ;)



That one was for you Dave.



I agree completely
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