Austin Collie hurt.

Just watching the Colts game and Collie took a cheap helmet to helmet shot. He was on the ground for a while not moving and eventually carried off on a stretcher.



I really hope he's okay, so a special shout out for a speedy recovery for my favorite BYU player.

I hope Collie's okay too. It looked like he was knocked completely unconscious. I don't know if it was a cheap hit, though...

Well it may not of been, but it was flagged...anyways the important thing is if Collie is ok or not.

Nothing can hurt Collie, not even cheap people who are going to lose 50-100,000 dollars for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGB9W9lNCaM&feature=youtu.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



link to video of the hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGB9W9lNCaM&feature=youtu.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



link to video of the hit.

Looks like he has a concussion, but is alert in the locker room.



http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?w=1a1vw&storyId=5777833&i=TOP" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



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Can anyone confirm the rumors that Andy Reid rushed onto the field and gave Collie a blessing :crazy: :crazy: ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) (and just for good measure, this post is TIC) ;)

Looks like the initial hit knocked him into another defender who then nailed him in the head.



He'll be out for awhile. He looked completely unconscious.



Hope he recovers quickly. Head trauma is serious business.

CAFB_04-12 wrote:
Looks like the initial hit knocked him into another defender who then nailed him in the head.



He'll be out for awhile. He looked completely unconscious.



Hope he recovers quickly. Head trauma is serious business.

+1. I never use to feel this way - but I think the NFL needs to really come down on helmet to helmet contact. These guys are so powerful & fast - that helmet is a wicked weapon!! Concussions & long term health effects on these guys just is not worth it.

CAFB_04-12 wrote:
Looks like the initial hit knocked him into another defender who then nailed him in the head.



He'll be out for awhile. He looked completely unconscious.



Hope he recovers quickly. Head trauma is serious business.

Concussions like this can be particularly bad because his brain literally ricochets inside the skull with multiple blows. It'll be important for them to keep a close eye on him for the next 48 hours; including while he sleeps.



Chances are highly likely he'll be fine but there is growing research that shows substantial long term damage from concussion based injury; they're nothing to joke around about.

Here's what I don't understand: two objects of roughly equal mass collide at the head--one guy is knocked into tomorrow and is unconscious on the field while the other guy gets up and wonders what all the fuss is about. How does that happen?



Wasn't Steve Young the victim of multiple concussions? This makes me think of our own Steven Thomas--his concussion happened over a month ago and he still hasn't been cleared to play.

CAFB_04-12 wrote:
Here's what I don't understand: two objects of roughly equal mass collide at the head--one guy is knocked into tomorrow and is unconscious on the field while the other guy gets up and wonders what all the fuss is about. How does that happen?



Wasn't Steve Young the victim of multiple concussions? This makes me think of our own Steven Thomas--his concussion happened over a month ago and he still hasn't been cleared to play.

So many variables to say definitively, but depends on the angle of the head at impact, the motion of the neck, the size of the brain and free space (yes, you would think utes would get more than their share of concussions), skull thickness, prior trauma, proper helmet fit, what part of head that is hit, etc.



Criteria for returning to play are still changing all the time as we learn more about brain injuries and how to better evaluate their effects. I was speaking with my friend who is one of the team docs for BYU. He told me every BYU athlete that is involved in contact sports has baseline impact testing done before the season starts so that they have a comparison should they get a concussion. I guess they use this testing to help quantify the effects of the injury and aid in getting players back to the field. Of course it is very individualized and you will see different scenarios on returning with each player.



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My thoughts are with Collie, he's tops in my mind...I guess I'm old school enough to agree with Penn. States old coach Joe Paterno when he said if you want to get rid of head to head contact, get rid of the facemasks completely. When you know you can't use that helmet like a battering ram and your face will be right there in front, you just won't stick another player with your head.



Go Austin Collie,

Go Cougs!!!



L Hatton

Louisville, KY

KYCoug wrote:
My thoughts are with Collie, he's tops in my mind...I guess I'm old school enough to agree with Penn. States old coach Joe Paterno when he said if you want to get rid of head to head contact, get rid of the facemasks completely. When you know you can't use that helmet like a battering ram and your face will be right there in front, you just won't stick another player with your head.



Go Austin Collie,

Go Cougs!!!



L Hatton

Louisville, KY

I feel for Austin, but I think that was a clean play. It's just part of the game.

craigoscarson wrote:

My thoughts are with Collie, he's tops in my mind...I guess I'm old school enough to agree with Penn. States old coach Joe Paterno when he said if you want to get rid of head to head contact, get rid of the facemasks completely. When you know you can't use that helmet like a battering ram and your face will be right there in front, you just won't stick another player with your head.



Go Austin Collie,

Go Cougs!!!



L Hatton

Louisville, KY

I feel for Austin, but I think that was a clean play. It's just part of the game.

Our prayers are with Austin and his family.



I don't want to say I'm glad it was "just" a concussion, but it looked like so much worse when it happened. Hopefully Collie can recover, because concussions are about as complex a sport injury as you can get.



One thing on the hit--it's interesting the Aaron Francisco also thinks the hit was clean:

"No, it didn’t look like intent. When a player gets hit by two guys, not really simultaneously but one after another, it’s kind of hard as a defensive back to keep your head out of the way. That guy is getting hit towards you, you don’t know where his head is going to be or whatever.



"They have so many rules out there, it’s tough to be a hitter nowadays, you know what I mean?"

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/17557/collie-hit-was-clean-say-two-colts-dbs

craigoscarson wrote:

Looks like the initial hit knocked him into another defender who then nailed him in the head.



He'll be out for awhile. He looked completely unconscious.



Hope he recovers quickly. Head trauma is serious business.

Concussions like this can be particularly bad because his brain literally ricochets inside the skull with multiple blows. It'll be important for them to keep a close eye on him for the next 48 hours; including while he sleeps.



Chances are highly likely he'll be fine but there is growing research that shows substantial long term damage from concussion based injury; they're nothing to joke around about.

+1!!! This is serious business. They need to come down & eliminate "helmet to helmet" contact unless incidental.

CAFB_04-12 wrote:
Here's what I don't understand: two objects of roughly equal mass collide at the head--one guy is knocked into tomorrow and is unconscious on the field while the other guy gets up and wonders what all the fuss is about. How does that happen?



Wasn't Steve Young the victim of multiple concussions? This makes me think of our own Steven Thomas--his concussion happened over a month ago and he still hasn't been cleared to play.

The difference can be explained by physics, and is due to the disparity in the inertial changes experienced by each player's head. When the defensive player has momentum-advantage over his target, then his cerebrum is only decelerated some in its forward progress, while the target player's cerebrum may experience a complete inertial reversal (180 degree change of direction). Its like the difference in going off the road in your car, and either plowing through a snow bank or hitting a concrete abuttment. Both players' cerebri have roughly equivalent mass, but experience a greatly different force, or change in acceleration acting on their individual masses (force equals mass X acceleration).



So if you see one player's head snap back, or do a whip-lash type move, you can bet that his cerebrum did the compression bounce against its inner cranium, to a higher degree than did the cerebrum of the player whose head plowed through the play without changing direction.

BOID wrote:

Here's what I don't understand: two objects of roughly equal mass collide at the head--one guy is knocked into tomorrow and is unconscious on the field while the other guy gets up and wonders what all the fuss is about. How does that happen?



Wasn't Steve Young the victim of multiple concussions? This makes me think of our own Steven Thomas--his concussion happened over a month ago and he still hasn't been cleared to play.

The difference can be explained by physics, and is due to the disparity in the inertial changes experienced by each player's head. When the defensive player has momentum-advantage over his target, then his cerebrum is only decelerated some in its forward progress, while the target player's cerebrum may experience a complete inertial reversal (180 degree change of direction). Its like the difference in going off the road in your car, and either plowing through a snow bank or hitting a concrete abuttment. Both players' cerebri have roughly equivalent mass, but experience a greatly different force, or change in acceleration acting on their individual masses (force equals mass X acceleration).



So if you see one player's head snap back, or do a whip-lash type move, you can bet that his cerebrum did the compression bounce against its inner cranium, to a higher degree than did the cerebrum of the player whose head plowed through the play without changing direction.

*strokes chin*



hm, yeeees...