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Why Heaps is Starting, revisited.

by CougarPeasant · 10/17/2010

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CougarPeasant
I could drag up some earlier posts on this subject, but thought starting it all over again would be fine too.



Heaps is starting because Nelson is injured, because Bower and Doman left the program when Hall was named the starter, and because Lark and Munns had poor timing in when they chose to serve their missions and return.



Nelson was recruited because the coaches saw the void at QB once Hall graduated. Nelson was targeted because Prince, at UCLA, turned down BYU, and because Nelson was a "better" fit than a JC QB since he is LDS, an RM, and an already established FBS QB having started at USU.



Heaps will remain the QB this season barring injury. He has had more time in the offense than any other QB on roster not named Nelson, who is injured and out for the season.



BYU went through as difficult a schedule as ever this season, playing 4 teams that were in the top 25 last week. SDSU would have made the top 25 last week or this week had they beaten BYU, which would have made 5 teams out of 7 with Washington having beaten 2 ranked teams themselves. No true freshman QB would likely have done much better than Heaps with that schedule under the same circumstances.



Has Heaps progressed like we had hoped? No. Would Heaps had benefited from a RS season? Yes. Was Heaps afforded the opportunity to RS? No. Would Heaps be starting now had Nelson not been injured? Very unlikely.



I see it that Heaps was thrust into the starting position because there was no better candidate than he for the role given the circumstances. I saw much improvement in his game against SDSU. But then I saw him regress against TCU, which I suspect had more to do with TCU's defense than anything else.



Heaps is now going to play against 3 of the worst, the most putrid teams in all of the FBS and CSU is not much better than Wyoming, UNLV, and UNM. 4 very winnable games. I will expect the team to run the ball down the throat of each of those 4 teams and not put Heaps in a position where he has to win the game. I also expect the game to slow down for him given that all 4 teams have some of the suckiest sucks for defenses that have ever sucked. I expect the receivers to come out of their funk as well against the next four opponents.



Should BYU win these games, which is expected, BYU will be bowl eligible going into the :utard: game and much can happen between now and that game as far as BYU's offense being ready for the SNOT.



As another poster said. HAVE PATIENCE
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byutx
Agreed. Also, the first sentence in your third to last paragraph is missing the word "worst". But I suggest going with something more descriptive, like "most putrid"
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CougarPeasant
byutx wrote:
Agreed. Also, the first sentence in your third to last paragraph is missing the word "worst". But I suggest going with something more descriptive, like "most putrid"


I couldn't decide between the two so I used both. Thanks!
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craigoscarson
I dont' think you can discount the fact that all our top notch skill position players from the last few years are in the NFL too.



Give Heaps, Unga, Pitta, Tonga, and George and he looks like a world beater.



Give Max Hall the receivers we have now.... and he's still an undrafted free agent ;) ... but he's not the winningest QB in BYU history



I worried that egos and entitlement would get the best of the freshman class we have... I dont' think that will be a problem now... IF we find 2 safeties and a tight end or two step up, we'll beat Utah and we'll have a big season next year.



The rest of the season is a crucial time for the Cougs to build confidence, particularly Heaps. If Robert Anae blows the rest of this season, I'll never forgive him, because even if he loses his job, it'll affect this team well into 2011. Anae needs these games as a resume builder and unless the offense makes miraculous strides, he has to go win or lose. But there's a chance that in losing, we also lose the freshman class and their confidence... that needs to be protected.



on another note: BYU has front loaded their schedule again next year... something I'm not especially happy with. I wouldn't mind seeing us start off with a couple patsies and not Oregon State then Texas then Utah... I dont' expect the haters and naysayers to go away because the way this team looks now, we're not making it through that gauntlet undefeated.
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SpiffCoug
Bottom line, Heaps is approaching epic-fail levels when it comes to QB play. His passer rating is worse than atrocious. It is nearly 20 points worse than ANY QB to ever play at BYU and complete more than 100 passes in a year. His completion percentage is the lowest of ANY QB who's completed more than 100 passes since the mid-1960s.



Now, all of his struggles are not all his own fault. He's made some great throws that been flat out dropped. He's missed out on multiple TDs because of this. He's missed out on myriad sustained drives because guys are running 5-yard routes on 3 & 6.



BYU is simply a very bad team that has had the displeasure of playing some very good teams. But, I believe that plays have been there all season to be made that could have changed the games we've played and we've simply not made those plays. It's a shame, because I don't think BYU or Heaps are as bad as they've played.



Eventually, you are what your results show you to be. And the Cougar offense as led by Heaps is one of the worst offense in the modern Cougar Era.



In all honesty, his QB play has been some of the worst we've ever seen in Provo - and it's not even close.



I'm not calling for him to sit, nor will I proclaim him an epic bust who will never amount to anything. To a certain extent I think he's been the victim of poor coaching and a lack of play making by his teammates. But his own play has been less than acceptable by any measurable standard.



BYU is struggling and IMO, the main reason why is because of the horrendous level of play we've gotten from the most important position on the field. Until our QB starts playing better we're going to bumble our way to a 3-win season and be witnesses to some of the worst quarterback and offensive production ever at BYU.
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northerncougar
Come on guys (and gals as the case may be). Never let logic, reason and facts get in the way a good emotional response.



Just because those of us on this thread can see that there is plenty of blame to go around, and that includes Heaps, don't you know that if we replace Heaps things will magically get better?



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craigoscarson
kitic77 wrote:
Bottom line, Heaps is approaching epic-fail levels when it comes to QB play. His passer rating is worse than atrocious. It is nearly 20 points worse than ANY QB to ever play at BYU and complete more than 100 passes in a year. His completion percentage is the lowest of ANY QB who's completed more than 100 passes since the mid-1960s.



Now, all of his struggles are not all his own fault. He's made some great throws that been flat out dropped. He's missed out on multiple TDs because of this. He's missed out on myriad sustained drives because guys are running 5-yard routes on 3 & 6.



BYU is simply a very bad team that has had the displeasure of playing some very good teams. But, I believe that plays have been there all season to be made that could have changed the games we've played and we've simply not made those plays. It's a shame, because I don't think BYU or Heaps are as bad as they've played.



Eventually, you are what your results show you to be. And the Cougar offense as led by Heaps is one of the worst offense in the modern Cougar Era.



In all honesty, his QB play has been some of the worst we've ever seen in Provo - and it's not even close.



I'm not calling for him to sit, nor will I proclaim him an epic bust who will never amount to anything. To a certain extent I think he's been the victim of poor coaching and a lack of play making by his teammates. But his own play has been less than acceptable by any measurable standard.



BYU is struggling and IMO, the main reason why is because of the horrendous level of play we've gotten from the most important position on the field. Until our QB starts playing better we're going to bumble our way to a 3-win season and be witnesses to some of the worst quarterback and offensive production ever at BYU.


To be honest, I dont' think we're better than another win with Max Hall as qb this year. We might have won the Nevada game with Max (or with Harvey) but we dont' win TCU with Max, we don't win FSU with Max, and we don't win Air Force with Max (the defense lost the AF and USU games).



So add Max Hall and redshirt Heaps and we're maybe one game better in the w/l right now.



Heaps will be fine. He's a true frosh with miserable and inexperienced receivers (or in the case of Jacobson, Hafoka, and Ashworth.. completely unmotivated and soft) no tight ends and a OC that hasnt' done much to help him.
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Brayden Green
northerncougar wrote:
Come on guys (and gals as the case may be). Never let logic, reason and facts get in the way a good emotional response.



Just because those of us on this thread can see that there is plenty of blame to go around, and that includes Heaps, don't you know that if we replace Heaps things will magically get better?



:sick:


Yeah, it is time to give "Sack, sack, sack, punt" Munns a go. Why can't anyone see this?



I mean, he was a 4* recruit. When one isn't doing the job, give it to the other... ;)



Don't worry about psyche, or reps. None of those things matter. What matters is heart, tenacity, and stars. Not actual football ability. If he doesn't work, we go to 3* Lark. And if he doesn't work we find someone with 2* to give the ball to.
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snoscythe
I heard from a friend/former player who played with and is good buds with Doman. He said Doman hates our receivers and straight up said they are "wusses." Sounds like a sound evaluation to me.



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kiwibacon
snoscythe wrote:
I heard from a friend/former player who played with and is good buds with Doman. He said Doman hates our receivers and straight up said they are "wusses." Sounds like a sound evaluation to me.



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Not to get off thread topic but I have not paid attention to recruiting...aside from missing Apo what do we have coming down the pipeline? I am very disappointed by WR play, and if what you say is true, that is sad.
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SpiffCoug
We've got another Matthews brother coming.
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craigoscarson
kiwibacon wrote:
I heard from a friend/former player who played with and is good buds with Doman. He said Doman hates our receivers and straight up said they are "wusses." Sounds like a sound evaluation to me.



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Not to get off thread topic but I have not paid attention to recruiting...aside from missing Apo what do we have coming down the pipeline? I am very disappointed by WR play, and if what you say is true, that is sad.


We dont' lack for #s; we lack for quality and/or experience - we just need guys with heart and a work ethic... (don't even tell me that Drage and Cahoon are faster than Jacobson or have the size of Chambers... but they had a love for football and an undeniable work ethic)



So next year, Chambers and Jacobsen are seniors... whether they improve and show up is anyones guess but they will have a year under their belts with Heaps.



We have Apo and Hoffman as freshmen



The Matthews brothers who are tough as nails (Mitch is pushing 6'7" and on his mission and Marcus is going to be a very good receiving TE for us once he bulks up)



Mahina who is a monster and Holt who also will be a beast and is extremely talented (Apo and Holt should have never played a down this season and I'll be pissed if we dont' get 4 years of play from them)



Timo-Hine coming back next year from his mission, who will be a tremendous receiver at the slot and from the backfield; and we have JJ for another year with Juice with another 3.



We got a commitment from 6'7" Jorgenson at Timpview, who might be the most underrated recruit we have from the 2011 class. I've heard very good things about him.



We also are recruiting 2 top notch receivers from Arizona that will help in the future.



It's funny that Brandon hates our receivers (not that it isn't warranted) because I knew Cliff and Bryce, and neither were world beaters by any means.



We need an all world consultant and coach for the receivers NOW... just as bad as Brett Favre needs someone to screen his text messages.



Someone needs to light a fire under those guys and introduce them to the jugs machine.
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Mars
craigoscarson wrote:
The Matthews brothers who are tough as nails (Mitch is pushing 6'7" and on his mission and Marcus is going to be a very good receiving TE for us once he bulks up)

Heaven forbid!

We need all our slow receivers to bulk down.
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mtnradio
kiwibacon wrote:
I heard from a friend/former player who played with and is good buds with Doman. He said Doman hates our receivers and straight up said they are "wusses." Sounds like a sound evaluation to me.



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Not to get off thread topic but I have not paid attention to recruiting...aside from missing Apo what do we have coming down the pipeline? I am very disappointed by WR play, and if what you say is true, that is sad.

The only recruiting note I'm aware of is a kid from here in Clarkston, WA. His Dad was a linebacker in the 80's (Regan Hansen). The recruit (Colby) plays both ways for our small high school, but he is TOUGH! A couple of weeks ago he scored one rushing touchdown (he's the running back), one receiving touchdown, one pick-6 (he's a linebacker), and 2 returns for TD's. Yes, 5 TD's in a game!



I understand Bronco has offered him an invited walk-on. Colby's older brother (now on a mission) played for his Dad's team-mate ... up north :sick: ... but he didn't lose his testimony when he went there, so I guess it wasn't all bad!



Sorry to get off topic.
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frdbtr
snoscythe wrote:
I heard from a friend/former player who played with and is good buds with Doman. He said Doman hates our receivers and straight up said they are "wusses." Sounds like a sound evaluation to me.



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Frankly, our entire offense has played pretty soft in every game except the SDSU game this year. There is a general lack of toughness in our entire offense. It all comes down to coaching, our defense was playing soft until Bronco took over. The last 2 games have not been soft, the hitting has been harder and the defense has been playing physical. I don't know what the answer is for right now but BYU can't win with the talent that they recruit by playing soft. The offensive coaches need to start teaching more physical play. I am not sure if that is going to be able to happen with our current coaching staff or not. It only worked for one week for the offense after Bronco fired his dcoordinator.
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byucougar1
I hope we distinguish nonfunctional WR from nonexistent TE. The lack of any viable outlet to throw to a TE completely stymies our offense. We have been known as TE U besides QB U. This deficiency has killed our options and has certainly hampered Heaps throwing outlet passes while under pressure.



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