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Means nothing until we see some good ol' fashion gang tackling on saturdays.

How could this be? I thought Bronco had no heart, no fire. I thought he was an Elders quorum president who had football 5th on his priority list? :bug: :roll: :evil:

frdbtr wrote:
How could this be? I thought Bronco had no heart, no fire. I thought he was an Elders quorum president who had football 5th on his priority list? :bug: :roll: :evil:

Maybe he forgot to mention where "gainful employment" was on the list.

As always, the proof will be in the pudding. Excellent time to have a home game and be the underdog. I like our chances. If we fail this week it will mean only two things, 1) We don't have sufficient talent in guys that were expected to perform better; or 2) coaching is an issue. I realize we've lost a few starters, but we've not been decimated and that is part of the game. We lose Saturday and my focus goes to basketball because this will then only be a rebuilding year and most likely we don't make a bowl game.

Awesome at one level but extremely unsettling at another level. How disengaged was Bronco that he would allow his team to fall that far below his standards for effort? Tuesday sounded like it should have been the first day of fall practice!!



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BoiseBYU wrote:
Awesome at one level but extremely unsettling at another level. How disengaged was Bronco that he would allow his team to fall that far below his standards for effort? Tuesday sounded like it should have been the first day of fall practice!!



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that is why he was forced to fire hill. Hill's attitude made it nearly impossible for bronco to get involved. to do so would cause rifts and problems. he just had to go.

BoiseBYU wrote:
Awesome at one level but extremely unsettling at another level. How disengaged was Bronco that he would allow his team to fall that far below his standards for effort? Tuesday sounded like it should have been the first day of fall practice!!



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Agreed. I've been concerned about this all year. In almost every interview Bronco was saying in interviews that he hadn't attended many of the defensive team meetings or that he hadn't spoken one-on-one with some of the key players, and I think that distance between Bronco and the front line troops allowed the other coaches to take their foot off the gas. Bronco acknowledged as much right after he fired Hill so now the question becomes: how long does it take for the team (particularly the defense, but I believe the offense will experience a similar situation) to get back on track and make up for all the lost time? A re-commitment to 'fanatical effort' alone may be enough to beat SDSU at home on Saturday but we've lost a Lot of time already and I don't think effort alone can make up for that, especially on the road against good opponents.

These comments reinforce my feelings that Bronco has severely overestimated 1) the level of player leadership he has had on his teams and 2) the level of involvement he personally need to take.



He fully bought into this flywheel idea that once he got the program in motion he would be able to step away and it would be perpetually successful. It's taken him several years, but I think he's realizing that he needs to be involved at a personal level every year.



I hope he realizes that if he does this, he can just restart the flywheel at the start of each season and not just rely on it being started from the get-go.

craigoscarson wrote:

How could this be? I thought Bronco had no heart, no fire. I thought he was an Elders quorum president who had football 5th on his priority list? :bug: :roll: :evil:

Maybe he forgot to mention where "gainful employment" was on the list.

Also illustrates how much Bronco likes his current job and how he wants to keep it long term, not very short term.

craigoscarson wrote:

How could this be? I thought Bronco had no heart, no fire. I thought he was an Elders quorum president who had football 5th on his priority list? :bug: :roll: :evil:

Maybe he forgot to mention where "gainful employment" was on the list.

Yeah, ironically that is 2nd on the list, tied with family. Or some people include a "yob" as a subdivision of the family, cause they need a roof over their head as much as they need love. I think quite a few of the coaches "mis-remembered" that, and they remember it now.

Lawboy wrote:

frdbtr wrote:
How could this be? I thought Bronco had no heart, no fire. I thought he was an Elders quorum president who had football 5th on his priority list? :bug: :roll: :evil:

Maybe he forgot to mention where "gainful employment" was on the list.

Also illustrates how much Bronco likes his current job and how he wants to keep it long term, not very short term.

If you were getting 800 thou a year I think you'd want to keep it too... ;) As would all of us.

BlueIsBetter wrote:
If you were getting 800 thou a year I think you'd want to keep it too... ;) As would all of us.

Is that really how much he makes?

tmoney35 wrote:

If you were getting 800 thou a year I think you'd want to keep it too... ;) As would all of us.

Is that really how much he makes?

Yep. 800+ ... allegedly ... though it is a private contract with a private institution so nothing has been posted officially.

Bronco has been listening to too many Stephen Covey CDs in his Ken Garf Dodge. it is a true principle while leading, you will want to eventually delegate all matters to your managers. In this case Bronco had every reason to believe Hill and Anae had mastered their jobs and could operate independently and free of directive. Just look at the 08' and 09' teams. They were excellent teams with great offensive and defensive numbers. The problem with this leadership theory is that i don't think it accounts for as much turnover we have had in players from missions and graduation and injuries. When those things happen as much as they have this year, Bronco needed to recognize that he would have to change his leadership style and be more hands on. But he was fooled by the first game success. My only knock on Bronco is that he should have never let position battles carry past the first week of fall practice. That's his mistake.

QuarterbackU wrote:
Bronco has been listening to too many Stephen Covey CDs in his Ken Garf Dodge. it is a true principle while leading, you will want to eventually delegate all matters to your managers. In this case Bronco had every reason to believe Hill and Anae had mastered their jobs and could operate independently and free of directive. Just look at the 08' and 09' teams. They were excellent teams with great offensive and defensive numbers. The problem with this leadership theory is that i don't think it accounts for as much turnover we have had in players from missions and graduation and injuries. When those things happen as much as they have this year, Bronco needed to recognize that he would have to change his leadership style and be more hands on. But he was fooled by the first game success. My only knock on Bronco is that he should have never let position battles carry past the first week of fall practice. That's his mistake.

Well, yes, but his First Mistake before that one was to fall in love with a guy that doesn't fit our offensive scheme that has worked so well. Then allow the thought to even get passed around that we could change everything we've done and recruited in years past for one guy. That lead to the mistake you are allude to.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

Bronco has been listening to too many Stephen Covey CDs in his Ken Garf Dodge. it is a true principle while leading, you will want to eventually delegate all matters to your managers. In this case Bronco had every reason to believe Hill and Anae had mastered their jobs and could operate independently and free of directive. Just look at the 08' and 09' teams. They were excellent teams with great offensive and defensive numbers. The problem with this leadership theory is that i don't think it accounts for as much turnover we have had in players from missions and graduation and injuries. When those things happen as much as they have this year, Bronco needed to recognize that he would have to change his leadership style and be more hands on. But he was fooled by the first game success. My only knock on Bronco is that he should have never let position battles carry past the first week of fall practice. That's his mistake.

Well, yes, but his First Mistake before that one was to fall in love with a guy that doesn't fit our offensive scheme that has worked so well. Then allow the thought to even get passed around that we could change everything we've done and recruited in years past for one guy. That lead to the mistake you are allude to.

Exactly...Unless of Course Bronco recieved some sort of under the table kick back from Riley Nelson's family for untold millions if he blindly starts him against all reason and logic. In that case, it was an excellent decision by Bronco to start Riley.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

BlueIsBetter wrote:
If you were getting 800 thou a year I think you'd want to keep it too... ;) As would all of us.

Is that really how much he makes?

Yep. 800+ ... allegedly ... though it is a private contract with a private institution so nothing has been posted officially.

From what I have been told his total earnings with endorsements is about 1 million per year.

CannonCougar85 wrote:

tmoney35 wrote:

If you were getting 800 thou a year I think you'd want to keep it too... ;) As would all of us.

Is that really how much he makes?

Yep. 800+ ... allegedly ... though it is a private contract with a private institution so nothing has been posted officially.

From what I have been told his total earnings with endorsements is about 1 million per year.

I believe you.