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Bronco shirks responsibility again

by taekwondave · 10/2/2010

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taekwondave
There he went again; blaming the players poor execution. Pathetic. That is NOT the way to take responsibility. That is blaming the players. Maybe you blame it on their age. Maybe you blame it on their dropped passes or missed tackles or whatever. But he couldn't POSSIBLY take responsibility with regards to GAMEPLANNING. Look Bronco, if you can't get it done, you can't get it done, but you aren't my elder's quorum president and I won't sustain you just cause the church hired you. Win or go home.
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Schmoe
Wow Dave, you're really on one tonight, eh? Maybe put down the revolver and the bottle of Jack and sleep it off.
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CAFB_04-12
taekwondave wrote:
There he went again; blaming the players poor execution. Pathetic. That is NOT the way to take responsibility. That is blaming the players. Maybe you blame it on their age. Maybe you blame it on their dropped passes or missed tackles or whatever. But he couldn't POSSIBLY take responsibility with regards to GAMEPLANNING. Look Bronco, if you can't get it done, you can't get it done, but you aren't my elder's quorum president and I won't sustain you just cause the church hired you. Win or go home.

Did you miss his postgame comments entirely? He took the blame for poor execution.
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BroncoBot
I doubt that BYU wants Bronco to say to the press what he is really thinking after last night.
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Cougy_Monster
Bronco: "The only change is continuing to work to get our execution at a lot higher level. The wrong answer is to alter and go around to try to develop schemes to be a Band-aid. The right thing is to continue to develop the players."


The wrong answer is to develop schemes? It sure seems like the right answer for our opponents. If the team is really only focusing on execution then why can't we execute????


Jacobsen: ""As receivers we have to be able to make plays and be a little bit more dependable at times … if you execute, if we had executed out there, you never know how the ballgame is going to go. I think we would have scored some more points."



A "little bit more dependable"? Are you kidding? How about replacing "execute" with "catch the ball"?



Di Luigi:""We just need to execute. We aren't converting on third downs, we aren't converting on fourth downs and we're not making plays when we have opportunities, and those are things that kill an offense. So we just need to start executing."


It's like the entire team and coaches are robots, programmed to give the same answer. It's not like the coaches in practice on Monday can say "OK, this time run a good route, get open and then catch the ball" and then the receiver says "Great idea coach!" Done fixed. Now we start winning.


Heaps: "We overall as an offense have to execute and I have to go out there and consistently make plays and put it in spots where the guys can go catch it."


In other words, "I realize now that my completion percentage will increase if I actually walk the ball to the receiver and hand it to him. That's the spot where they can go catch it. It's a smaller spot than I'm used to. Oh, and by the way, we need to execute. We'll start that on Monday."



Poor Heaps. He's been thrown into a John Beck type situation with the Dolphins. He's expected to turn things around with absolutely no help. He's learning the system and when he has periodic flashes of brilliance it's all in vain because nobody can catch a ball.
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mizzoucoug
Cougy_Monster wrote:
Bronco: "The only change is continuing to work to get our execution at a lot higher level. The wrong answer is to alter and go around to try to develop schemes to be a Band-aid. The right thing is to continue to develop the players."


The wrong answer is to develop schemes? It sure seems like the right answer for our opponents. If the team is really only focusing on execution then why can't we execute????


Jacobsen: ""As receivers we have to be able to make plays and be a little bit more dependable at times … if you execute, if we had executed out there, you never know how the ballgame is going to go. I think we would have scored some more points."



A "little bit more dependable"? Are you kidding? How about replacing "execute" with "catch the ball"?



Di Luigi:""We just need to execute. We aren't converting on third downs, we aren't converting on fourth downs and we're not making plays when we have opportunities, and those are things that kill an offense. So we just need to start executing."


It's like the entire team and coaches are robots, programmed to give the same answer. It's not like the coaches in practice on Monday can say "OK, this time run a good route, get open and then catch the ball" and then the receiver says "Great idea coach!" Done fixed. Now we start winning.


Heaps: "We overall as an offense have to execute and I have to go out there and consistently make plays and put it in spots where the guys can go catch it."


In other words, "I realize now that my completion percentage will increase if I actually walk the ball to the receiver and hand it to him. That's the spot where they can go catch it. It's a smaller spot than I'm used to. Oh, and by the way, we need to execute. We'll start that on Monday."



Poor Heaps. He's been thrown into a John Beck type situation with the Dolphins. He's expected to turn things around with absolutely no help. He's learning the system and when he has periodic flashes of brilliance it's all in vain because nobody can catch a ball.


Great response. I read that same bogus article last night. If I hear that stupid "E" word again I swear I'll go postal.
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CannonCougar85
I do not understand the criticism of Bronco and others for using the word execute. What does execute mean?



For receivers it means catching the ball, running correct patterns, beating your defender off the blocks.

For O-linemen it means blocking a specific guy to open holes, protect the QB, pull when and where you should.

For the QB it means reading the defense, making wise decisions with the ball, calling audibles.

For RB's it means picking up blitzes, hitting holes, wrapping up the ball, releasing for a pass at the correct time.

ETC, ETC, ETC.



So how is Bronco wrong when he says we need to execute better? How is Diluigi or McKay wrong when they say we need to execute better?



When someone criticizes the team by saying receivers need to catch balls, d-linemen need to penetrate better, defense needs to wrap up and tackle better, etc, what they are essentially saying is that "BYU needs to execute better."



Again, how is Bronco or anybody wrong when they say BYU needs better execution?



This being said I don't believe that execution is the only problem but I do believe it is a HUGE problem.
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CannonCougar85
And in response to Dave's original post. I quote Wrubell:


In admitting that he "is responsible for the way the team performed," head coach Bronco Mendenhall acknowledged the eye-opening nature of Friday night's setback when he spoke with us on KSL Radio.


It would do you a lot of good to listen to the post-game on KSL Radio before you post stuff like this.
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Brayden Green
Bronco is the Opus Dei of the sports world. He takes responsibility for just about everything that goes on. I am surprised that he hasn't taken credit for Darrelle Revis' holdout, and Brett Favre's retirement dramas. To say that Bronco shirks responsibility lacks knowledge. Bronco if anything does the opposite: He allows his understaff too much leeway, and when they make boneheaded decisions he takes blame and responsibility for that too.



Let's try and focus on the real problem. Bronco is not the real problem, but he IS allowing the real problems (OC and DC and other understaffers) to plague this season. Bronco needs to grab back the reigns and start calling people out.



And I know it seems ironic for me to post on this thread and ask everyone else not to, but please no one else post on here. This thread is non-deserving of the top spot. Bronco isn't the problem. Not the immediate one, in the slightest.



And Dave, all the sneaky, "let's get Bronco fired" talk is on Cougarblue here.

I would like it to stay over there. Let's not close our eyes, and just start firing bullets randomly. Really.
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BroncoBot
BlueIsBetter wrote:
Bronco is the Opus Dei of the sports world. He takes responsibility for just about everything that goes on. I am surprised that he hasn't taken credit for Darrelle Revis' holdout, and Brett Favre's retirement dramas. To say that Bronco shirks responsibility lacks knowledge. Bronco if anything does the opposite: He allows his understaff too much leeway, and when they make boneheaded decisions he takes blame and responsibility for that too.



Let's try and focus on the real problem. Bronco is not the real problem, but he IS allowing the real problems (OC and DC and other understaffers) to plague this season. Bronco needs to grab back the reigns and start calling people out.



And I know it seems ironic for me to post on this thread and ask everyone else not to, but please no one else post on here. This thread is non-deserving of the top spot. Bronco isn't the problem. Not the immediate one, in the slightest.



And Dave, all the sneaky, "let's get Bronco fired" talk is on Cougarblue. I would like it to stay over there. Let's not close our eyes, and just start firing bullets randomly. Really.

Agreed. It's been a rough first half of what looks to be a terrible year. The last thing we need to do is lose our heads.
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mizzoucoug
CannonCougar85 wrote:
I do not understand the criticism of Bronco and others for using the word execute. What does execute mean?



For receivers it means catching the ball, running correct patterns, beating your defender off the blocks.

For O-linemen it means blocking a specific guy to open holes, protect the QB, pull when and where you should.

For the QB it means reading the defense, making wise decisions with the ball, calling audibles.

For RB's it means picking up blitzes, hitting holes, wrapping up the ball, releasing for a pass at the correct time.

ETC, ETC, ETC.



So how is Bronco wrong when he says we need to execute better? How is Diluigi or McKay wrong when they say we need to execute better?



When someone criticizes the team by saying receivers need to catch balls, d-linemen need to penetrate better, defense needs to wrap up and tackle better, etc, what they are essentially saying is that "BYU needs to execute better."



Again, how is Bronco or anybody wrong when they say BYU needs better execution?



This being said I don't believe that execution is the only problem but I do believe it is a HUGE problem.


I don't mind it if a coach talks that way because it's media/coach speak. In other words, rather than state the actual problems he just uses a blanket word i.e. "execute." When fans and players say that it drives me crazy because it is such a shallow commentary on a very complicated game. The receivers drop passes, can't run routes, and don't get separation. But rather than dissect each of those areas and give thoughtful responses to how it can be fixed you just say "they don't execute." It means everything and nothing at the same time, which is a cop-out. Does he talk that way in the locker room? I sure hope not; that is no way to coach.
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taekwondave
CannonCougar85 wrote:
And in response to Dave's original post. I quote Wrubell:


In admitting that he "is responsible for the way the team performed," head coach Bronco Mendenhall acknowledged the eye-opening nature of Friday night's setback when he spoke with us on KSL Radio.


It would do you a lot of good to listen to the post-game on KSL Radio before you post stuff like this.


There. You just said it FOR me. Bronco "taking responsibility for the way the TEAM PERFORMED." But he didn't take responsibility for the way HE performed as a coach DURING THE GAME. That's the problem I have with Bronco right now. Saying, "It's my fault the guy's sucked" really isn't enough for me. It's really just like saying, "I overestimated our guys' abilities". It's a slight towards the players. What I would LIKE to see from him is a direct slight towards himself. THAT'S what really taking responsibility is like. That's why I like coaches like Peterson from Boise. That guy makes GAME TIME decisions and adjustments that puts his team in the best position to win.



He's an ACTIVE coach. Bronco is a PASSIVE one, meaning that he passively coaches during games like an observer, thinking about what needs to be worked on during practice, but he's not on the field getting the guys revved up, he's not calling a trick play here and there to turn the momentum in our favor, he doesn't take the guys into the locker room and say, "Okay guys, new gameplan. You could all have done some things a little better out there, but we can work on those in practice. My gameplan is the reason we're losing. Here's what's working and here's what's not. So here's what we're gonna do..."



THAT'S what I'd like to see from Bronco. And when he says, "I take responsibility for my guys not executing" he's really not taking responsibility at all, or at the very least, he's robbing the players of the one responsibility that DOES belong to them; the actual playing of the game. The only thing Bronco can take responsibility for is calling time outs, game planning, play calling, position management, etc and that HAPPENS to be the thing he never seems to call into question. At least not publicly. The way he does it currently insults the players and shows a lack of understanding of the responsibilities inherent in each position on the team, from coach, to towel boy.
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taekwondave
Does that make sense?



It's like when apologizing isn't really apologizing. For example: "I'm sorry what I said offended you" rather than, "I'm sorry for what I said. I was wrong to say it or I could have said it much better or I really didn't mean it, I was just angry, etc"



Do you see the difference? In the first, you're not REALLY apologizing, although it looks like you are. You're really just using the words of an apology (i.e sorry) but what you're REALLY saying is that you didn't do anything wrong and they just CHOSE to get offended by what you said. The latter is a true apology that takes responsibility for the action.



When Bronco says, "I take responsibility for the way the team played" he might as well be giving a fake apology. It really is still blaming the team while using the words that would suggest he's blaming himself, but he's not. As a player, here's what I would think, "He's blaming me. He's cutting me down. He's saying that he OVERestimated my abilities. That makes me feel like crap. He's acting as if I was only PRETENDING to know how to run the plays in practice. He's not taking responsibility for this loss, but blaming me for it and he'll prove that this week in practice. Well screw him. If he can't take responsibility then why should I? If he's not going to defend me, then I'll have to defend myself. How do you like me now, b****?"



However, had Bronco come out and said, "I take full responsibility for this loss. The guys weren't connecting because I took too long deciding who would throw the passes. This is on me and I apologize to my team. It's not their fault at this point, I have ruined much of their preparation time through controversy and I have not been calling good plays during the game. They are doing great. They are doing everything I've asked but it's still not working. That means I need to change the way I'm doing things. I want to thank my players for their patience with me."



Ha! You know what I'm thinking as a player NOW???



"WTF??? Come on! Coach shouldn't be so hard on himself. I'm the one that didn't catch the ball. I'm the one that overthrew it. I'm the one that missed the tackle. I'm the one that missed that assignment. Coach is great and he believes in me and he thinks our team weaknesses are his fault. Well I won't let him crucify himself in front of the media like that again. I swear I won't drop another pass, won't overthrow another receiver, won't miss another block, won't forget another assignment. If he's gonna take responsibility for his role in this loss than dammit, I will too."



Big difference there.
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runbyu1
taekwondave wrote:
Does that make sense?

However, had Bronco come out and said, "I take full responsibility for this loss. The guys weren't connecting because I took too long deciding who would throw the passes. This is on me and I apologize to my team. It's not their fault at this point, I have ruined much of their preparation time through controversy and I have not been calling good plays during the game. They are doing great. They are doing everything I've asked but it's still not working. That means I need to change the way I'm doing things. I want to thank my players for their patience with me."



Ha! You know what I'm thinking as a player NOW???



"WTF??? Come on! Coach shouldn't be so hard on himself. I'm the one that didn't catch the ball. I'm the one that overthrew it. I'm the one that missed the tackle. I'm the one that missed that assignment. Coach is great and he believes in me and he thinks our team weaknesses are his fault. Well I won't let him crucify himself in front of the media like that again. I swear I won't drop another pass, won't overthrow another receiver, won't miss another block, won't forget another assignment. If he's gonna take responsibility for his role in this loss than dammit, I will too."



Big difference there.


I couldn't agree with you more man. This is exactly the type of leadership the team needs. Leadership that makes them want to fight for Bronco.
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taekwondave
BlueIsBetter wrote:
Bronco is the Opus Dei of the sports world. He takes responsibility for just about everything that goes on. I am surprised that he hasn't taken credit for Darrelle Revis' holdout, and Brett Favre's retirement dramas. To say that Bronco shirks responsibility lacks knowledge. Bronco if anything does the opposite: He allows his understaff too much leeway, and when they make boneheaded decisions he takes blame and responsibility for that too.



Let's try and focus on the real problem. Bronco is not the real problem, but he IS allowing the real problems (OC and DC and other understaffers) to plague this season. Bronco needs to grab back the reigns and start calling people out.



And I know it seems ironic for me to post on this thread and ask everyone else not to, but please no one else post on here. This thread is non-deserving of the top spot. Bronco isn't the problem. Not the immediate one, in the slightest.



And Dave, all the sneaky, "let's get Bronco fired" talk is on Cougarblue here.

I would like it to stay over there. Let's not close our eyes, and just start firing bullets randomly. Really.




And again, taking responsibility in THE RIGHT WAY is key. And he hasn't been doing that.



And I'm not calling for Bronco's firing. Especially after he showed the willingness to let Jaime go. That move upped my respect for Bronco even more and it gives me a little bit of hope that his head isn't totally in the sand and can see a problem and is willing to do something about it. Good fire. Next up: Coach Omer, please :)
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mizzoucoug
taekwondave wrote:



However, had Bronco come out and said, "I take full responsibility for this loss. The guys weren't connecting because I took too long deciding who would throw the passes. This is on me and I apologize to my team. It's not their fault at this point, I have ruined much of their preparation time through controversy and I have not been calling good plays during the game. They are doing great. They are doing everything I've asked but it's still not working. That means I need to change the way I'm doing things. I want to thank my players for their patience with me."




Yes, this adds to my thought about throwing the "E" word out there. This should be the commentary, not "The players just didn't "E&*((*&e!" BS
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taekwondave
mizzoucoug wrote:
I do not understand the criticism of Bronco and others for using the word execute. What does execute mean?



For receivers it means catching the ball, running correct patterns, beating your defender off the blocks.

For O-linemen it means blocking a specific guy to open holes, protect the QB, pull when and where you should.

For the QB it means reading the defense, making wise decisions with the ball, calling audibles.

For RB's it means picking up blitzes, hitting holes, wrapping up the ball, releasing for a pass at the correct time.

ETC, ETC, ETC.



So how is Bronco wrong when he says we need to execute better? How is Diluigi or McKay wrong when they say we need to execute better?



When someone criticizes the team by saying receivers need to catch balls, d-linemen need to penetrate better, defense needs to wrap up and tackle better, etc, what they are essentially saying is that "BYU needs to execute better."



Again, how is Bronco or anybody wrong when they say BYU needs better execution?



This being said I don't believe that execution is the only problem but I do believe it is a HUGE problem.


I don't mind it if a coach talks that way because it's media/coach speak. In other words, rather than state the actual problems he just uses a blanket word i.e. "execute." When fans and players say that it drives me crazy because it is such a shallow commentary on a very complicated game. The receivers drop passes, can't run routes, and don't get separation. But rather than dissect each of those areas and give thoughtful responses to how it can be fixed you just say "they don't execute." It means everything and nothing at the same time, which is a cop-out. Does he talk that way in the locker room? I sure hope not; that is no way to coach.


Oh man, you are so right. Now, I have no personal experience that says that IN THE LOCKER ROOM he's that kind of coach, but he seems to be ON THE FIELD and that really matters to me. A leader is someone who takes responsibility for the ENTIRE result AS IT PERTAINS TO YOUR RESPECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY. Again, I heard nothing from Bronco stating what HE did wrong during the game, only what his players did. That is not REALLY accepting responsibility, as explained above.
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runbyu1
taekwondave wrote:

And again, taking responsibility in THE RIGHT WAY is key. And he hasn't been doing that.



And I'm not calling for Bronco's firing. Especially after he showed the willingness to let Jaime go. That move upped my respect for Bronco even more and it gives me a little bit of hope that his head isn't totally in the sand and can see a problem and is willing to do something about it. Good fire. Next up: Coach Omer, please :)


Amen to that. I guarantee after we replace Omer we'll see faster players and less stupid, preventable injuries like Hamstring pulls, etc.
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taekwondave
runbyu1 wrote:

And again, taking responsibility in THE RIGHT WAY is key. And he hasn't been doing that.



And I'm not calling for Bronco's firing. Especially after he showed the willingness to let Jaime go. That move upped my respect for Bronco even more and it gives me a little bit of hope that his head isn't totally in the sand and can see a problem and is willing to do something about it. Good fire. Next up: Coach Omer, please :)


Amen to that. I guarantee after we replace Omer we'll see faster players and less stupid, preventable injuries like Hamstring pulls, etc.


Oh man, I could have used some back up from you a few weeks ago when I started a thread on this. Thought they were gonna linch me. :bug:
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I have a hard time taking anything someone says serious when they claim that Bronco of all people shirks responsibility. The man is the cause of every trip, accident, and mistake if you listen to his press conferences.
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