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In Bronco we still trust?

by taekwondave · 10/2/2010

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taekwondave
I'm watching our sideline. Where is Bronco's fire? How is he rallying the troops around his undying faith to win? What tricks does he have up his sleeve to turn the tide of this game in his team's favor?



I want you to watch Chris Peterson at Boise. Watch KWhitt at Utah. Watch Patterson at TCU. There is a very different style at play here and I think we are getting the short end of the stick on styles.



Here is where I believe they differ:



Bronco's style: Player accountability.

Peterson etc: Coach accountability.



Here's where I think the difference is. When Bronco coaches, he's very stoic. Very stern. Very serious. Like a lion roaming the sidelines that you always THINK is just about to break loose and kill some Ute but never does. When the team does poorly, they know Bronco's face will say it all. They know they screwed up and they'll have to take responsibility for it and work on it in practice. This is interesting because as a player, if you win, you really feel like it was all you, and when you lose, you also really feel like it was all you. Bronco almost seems like he doesn't really care whether we win or lose on game day. Every game is just a chance to notice something that needs to be improved later in practice. He has faith in his game plan and sticks to it, and if we lose it's simply because the players didn't execute and that's only his fault in the sense that come practice next week, he'll make sure they get it right so they'll be more prepared for the next game. In other words, he seems to take a PASSIVE role of accountability. Rather than thinking, "I lost this game." or "We lost this game." it's, "The players made mistakes and I'm at fault only by assuming they had it down in practice when obviously they didn't." It's sort of a tongue in cheek way of accepting responsibility.



Peterson, Whitt, and Patterson on the other hand, they seem to REALLY WANT TO WIN EVERY GAME, and it seems like they will do ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING on gameday to make sure that happens; almost like they have a real sense of urgency to win; like if they lost they'd be fired or something. They make game time adjustments. They make split second decisions. Kwhitt will call a time out JUST before a ball is snapped on a field goal try or he'll run Louis Sakoda on a 4th and 6 for a thirty yard gain when it looks like it might change the momentum. Peterson's willingness to fake a punt and throw a pass against TCU turned out to be the difference in their BCS game last year. That just doesn't seem like something Bronco and Anae would do. Because they don't ever do it. It's like they just think that if they're going to win, the players are just gonna have to "step up". And unfortunately for our record this year, they're right.



But my question is: When are THEY going to step up? When are THEY going to stick their necks out there like Kwhitt did against Pitt when that field goal fiasco nearly backfired on him? When are THEY going to PERSONALLY make sure that no matter how the guys are feeling or performing on the field, that they will light the way for our team to secure a win? As fans we should know that our team will make mistakes and that sometimes in some ways we will be outmatched, but we should also have the confidence that it won't matter, because our coaches will ALWAYS FIND A WAY TO WIN.



Now, Bronco's way SOUNDS good at first mention, but when compared to his competition, he seems to be lacking something important.



Perhaps we are forgiving of his style because of his record. Or perhaps it was because Gary Crowton went SO overboard to the other side that we felt like the players didn't believe in themselves and seemed to just think Crowton's genius would get them through it. We clearly don't want THAT again. But man! Give me some FIRE, Bronco! Give me some HOPE! Rally those troops and accept responsibility. Tell them you can work the kinks out in practice later with them but for right now let's WIN THIS STINKING GAME!! Give me THAT, Bronco, and I'll believe again. But the longer you roam that sideline like a lion on a leash, the less I believe you can carry this team to the promised land. What good is a lion on a leash?
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Italics
Bronco having no "fire" is nothing new. I still like the guy, but 2005 and 2010 are making it look like maybe the tremendous talent we had from 2006-2009 was covering up his serious coaching flaws.
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taekwondave
Italics wrote:
Bronco having no "fire" is nothing new. I still like the guy, but 2005 and 2010 are making it look like maybe the tremendous talent we had from 2006-2009 was covering up his serious coaching flaws.


THAT is what I'm TRULY afraid of. Harvey, Max, Dennis and Austin? All in the NFL now. Those guys picked up first downs in their sleep. So my concern is the same as yours; that we win DESPITE Bronco, Hill, and Anae, rather than BECAUSE of them.
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You don't have to be a fiery coach on the sidelines to win games. There are different coaching styles.
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BroncoBot
I'll take bronco any day of the week.
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taekwondave
hawkwing wrote:
You don't have to be a fiery coach on the sidelines to win games. There are different coaching styles.


Oh really there are different coaching styles? Pretty sure I accounted for that reality in my post.



But just for kicks, lets get rid of the "fiery" stuff. You still need to step it up and make the decisions necessary to put your team in the right position to win. "Winning games" is not what we're after here at BYU anyway. We're not even after conference championships (hence we just went indy). No, here we will not be happy until 1984 repeats itself. And then again, and again, and again. And then Jesus comes :) And then we win AGAIN just to prove we were right ;)



And where our coaching styles may have been present while we were "winning games", it seems to be insufficient to "win it all" or at least "win EM all".
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taekwondave
declocoug wrote:
I'll take bronco any day of the week.


Are you WATCHING the game? Maybe I'll take Bronco on Thursdays and Saturday nights. Fridays aren't looking so good.
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Italics
declocoug wrote:
I'll take bronco any day of the week.


No one is calling for him to be fired, but it sure it dangerous/foolish thinking to have the "I support Bronco no matter what" mentality that so many fans seem to have.
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taekwondave
Italics wrote:
I'll take bronco any day of the week.


No one is calling for him to be fired, but it sure it dangerous/foolish thinking to have the "I support Bronco no matter what" mentality that so many fans seem to have.


Dude, amen. Not like I raised my hand to sustain him sacrament. He IS getting PAID to do this stuff ya know.
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Cougy_Monster
No.



There is NO excuse for play this bad. Either the players suck and Bronco has made serious judgment errors with recruiting or the players are good and the coaching sucks. Either way my confidence in Bronco is at an all-time low.



This isn't about a young team. This is about a very bad team. Very bad.



I can't imagine how these same players and coaches could be good next year.



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Cougy_Monster wrote:
No.



There is NO excuse for play this bad. Either the players suck and Bronco has made serious judgment errors with recruiting or the players are good and the coaching sucks. Either way my confidence in Bronco is at an all-time low.



This isn't about a young team. This is about a very bad team. Very bad.



I can't imagine how these same players and coaches could be good next year.



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BYU should have gone "all or nothing," and they didn't. The coaches should've decided a long time ago:



Do we start our promising freshmen, or do we stick with mediocre seniors?



Instead we went with a "mix and match" approach, and failed to give many of our young players the reps they needed throughout practices and the first three games of the season. Our problem now is that we have young, inexperienced players... who are even more inexperienced than they needed to be. Our offense didn't take a true form until ONE THIRD of the way through the season.



Logic would tell you that such careless and irresponsible coaching would lead to serious issues, and it has.
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taekwondave wrote:
Bronco having no "fire" is nothing new. I still like the guy, but 2005 and 2010 are making it look like maybe the tremendous talent we had from 2006-2009 was covering up his serious coaching flaws.


THAT is what I'm TRULY afraid of. Harvey, Max, Dennis and Austin? All in the NFL now. Those guys picked up first downs in their sleep. So my concern is the same as yours; that we win DESPITE Bronco, Hill, and Anae, rather than BECAUSE of them.


You don't have four straight 10+ win seasons "despite" coaching.
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This entire thread is ridiculous.
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Italics
declocoug wrote:
This entire thread is ridiculous.


So no matter how awful the coaching is, you will continually and blindly support it?
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declocoug wrote:
This entire thread is ridiculous.


So is the team this year.



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Cougy_Monster wrote:
This entire thread is ridiculous.


So is the team this year.



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I buy that this team is awful right now. But not supporting Bronco after 3 SOLID years is garbage. Get a good nights sleep and things will look better in the morning. Or prescribe yourself some good antidepressants.
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BroncoBot
Italics wrote:
This entire thread is ridiculous.


So no matter how awful the coaching is, you will continually and blindly support it?

Bronco? Yes, I would blindly follow Bronco as long as he holds the BYU head coaching position. End of story for me.
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CougarPeasant
declocoug wrote:
I'll take bronco any day of the week.


Same here.



The team lost too much talent after last season and couldn't find the players for this season.





IT's scrimmage time the rest of the season.
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Italics
declocoug wrote:
declocoug wrote:
This entire thread is ridiculous.


So no matter how awful the coaching is, you will continually and blindly support it?

Bronco? Yes, I would blindly follow Bronco as long as he holds the BYU head coaching position. End of story for me.


Fair enough. I know what I'm dealing with now. No use in further debate with you over this subject... reading that post possibly saved me countless typing in the future.
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