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pjmuli wrote:
c) Why did we not kick the field goal, given that we kicked a field goal later while trailing by 17?

d) If we did not kick the field goal on fourth and four, why did we not go for it later when we were trailing by 17?

Schmoe wrote:
"If it was four down territory, why did we not run with Kariya on THIRD and four."



Cause those dumbass coaches thought that Heaps could throw the ball to a wide open receiver, what morons!!

Mars wrote:

"If it was four down territory, why did we not run with Kariya on THIRD and four."



Cause those dumbass coaches thought that Heaps could throw the ball to a wide open receiver, what morons!!

BYU is converting over 60% of 3rd downs where they run the ball. 2 of 3 against Nevada.

BYU is converting about 20% of passing 3rd down. 3 of 12 against Nevada.



Dumbass coaching indeed. Especially if you're going to go for it on 4th down.

Italics wrote:
Stats are interesting when completely ignoring context. Most of the time (not all, but logic would tell you) you're of course going to see teams running on 3rd down when they are in short yardage situations (1-3 yards), and therefore they are more likely to get it. Passing on 3rd down is typically going to of course be reserved for longer yardage situations. Reason would tell you that this might have at least a LITTLE to do with why teams may be more successful converting 3rd downs by running the ball.

Mars wrote:

Stats are interesting when completely ignoring context. Most of the time (not all, but logic would tell you) you're of course going to see teams running on 3rd down when they are in short yardage situations (1-3 yards), and therefore they are more likely to get it. Passing on 3rd down is typically going to of course be reserved for longer yardage situations. Reason would tell you that this might have at least a LITTLE to do with why teams may be more successful converting 3rd downs by running the ball.

Look up the context for once. You'll be surprised.

pjmuli wrote:
I am encouraged by what we see from Jake Heaps. Yes, he missed on several throws...but I do think he looked much better from last week and will look better next week.



My confusion with our coaches continues to grow...did anyone understand the fourth and four handoff to Kariya?



a) If it was four down territory, why did we not run with Kariya on THIRD and four.

b) Why, why, why, why, WHY did we hand if off to Kariya on a critical play requiring more than one yard? Kariya is reliable...but he is also predictable and unable to make big plays on his own.

c) Why did we not kick the field goal, given that we kicked a field goal later while trailing by 17?

d) If we did not kick the field goal on fourth and four, why did we not go for it later when we were trailing by 17?

e) Why are we dabbling around with WRs having run/punt options...resulting in a net punt of two yards?



These observations have zero to do with the players executing. These are further examples of a long list of coaching mistakes and blunders.



I wish the list was not growing...but it is.



And as Heaps continues to grow and improve, one cannot help but wonder where we would be had we not committed to splitting reps in a 2 qb system.



Friends...this 1-3 start is on the coaches. I am sad to admit that.



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Lawboy wrote:
HEAPS may spell hope, but he also spells overthrown or off the mark lately. His footwork has been bad the last 2 games. He is backing up when he throws--especially the fade patterns. When he steps into his throws--like the rifled out to Hoffman in the 4th--he is accurate. He needs to get hit footwork better and step into his throws and his accuracy will improve, including on his roll outs (see bad pass to Kariya on another drive). I think it just goes to show he is still young and nervous. He is not turning it over--which is really nice--but his accuracy is still a real issue. On 3rd downs, the kid needs to move the chains.

Schmoe wrote:

Italics wrote:
Stats are interesting when completely ignoring context. Most of the time (not all, but logic would tell you) you're of course going to see teams running on 3rd down when they are in short yardage situations (1-3 yards), and therefore they are more likely to get it. Passing on 3rd down is typically going to of course be reserved for longer yardage situations. Reason would tell you that this might have at least a LITTLE to do with why teams may be more successful converting 3rd downs by running the ball.

Look up the context for once. You'll be surprised.

Here's the context on this particular third down: The play call was perfect, the man was wide open and easily had the first, but your goldenboy Hope, oops, I mean Heaps, missed the mark with a very poorly thrown ball.

jonnylingo wrote:

HEAPS may spell hope, but he also spells overthrown or off the mark lately. His footwork has been bad the last 2 games. He is backing up when he throws--especially the fade patterns. When he steps into his throws--like the rifled out to Hoffman in the 4th--he is accurate. He needs to get hit footwork better and step into his throws and his accuracy will improve, including on his roll outs (see bad pass to Kariya on another drive). I think it just goes to show he is still young and nervous. He is not turning it over--which is really nice--but his accuracy is still a real issue. On 3rd downs, the kid needs to move the chains.

You make a good point but if hafoka and ashworth simply catch balls that either hit them in the chest in the endzone or hit them in the arms right before he went into the endzone we have two more touchdowns that we didn't have which changes the game.



heaps also overthrew ashowrth who was wide open on a deep route and luigi which would have also resulted in touchdowns. The fact is that game is winnable I would put money down that if heaps had been getting all the reps with the receivers since game 1 or in fall camp we win that game and fsu becomes a toss up.



as the timing between heaps and his receivers gets better and as heaps gets more accurate during the games we will get better and win more games. jake still has a lot to improve upon but he is making those passes in practices. give him some time and he starts making them in the games as well. Just be patient. Our offense is going to be deadly.



Was great seeing Q get a little more carries as well. He is going to be seeing a lot of playing time by the end of the year as well. The coaches love him. Having him and Luigi is going to be great. With time heaps and our receivers will live up to their potential and when that happens we are going to win a lot of games.

jonnylingo wrote:

Mars wrote:

Stats are interesting when completely ignoring context. Most of the time (not all, but logic would tell you) you're of course going to see teams running on 3rd down when they are in short yardage situations (1-3 yards), and therefore they are more likely to get it. Passing on 3rd down is typically going to of course be reserved for longer yardage situations. Reason would tell you that this might have at least a LITTLE to do with why teams may be more successful converting 3rd downs by running the ball.

Look up the context for once. You'll be surprised.

Here's the context on this particular third down: The play call was perfect, the man was wide open and easily had the first, but your goldenboy Hope, oops, I mean Heaps, missed the mark with a very poorly thrown ball.

do you take pleasure when heaps overthrows one of our receivers?

Cougarbib2 wrote:
MARS wouldn't recognize any context that didn't support the conclusion he has already jumped to if he pulled his head out of a dark hole and stated it right in the face.



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BYUcougfan wrote:
Despite the loss, I am encouraged. We have a true freshman who did not have any INTs. However, the playbook needs to open up just a little. I know fade routes are safe, but there sure were A LOT of fade routes in this game. Is it Heaps or the play call? I don't know. I seem to remember lots and lots of big gainers and TD passes to TEs who snuck down the middle of the field.



This is going to be one of those seasons where Cougar fans have to get satisfaction from team progression if not wins. My friend, who likes to needle me about how much I spend on BYU football tickets, asked me if I had a good time watching them lose this weekend. I told him I had a great time. Even though we lost, the team provided some exciting moments and were never truly out of it until the last 6 mins or so.