Will Chambers Transfer?

I'm hoping Linette will chime in with a few thoughts about Chambers possibly transferring. Is it the right thing for him to do? I just don't think it would work out very well for his success to do so.

hawkwing wrote:
I'm hoping Linette will chime in with a few thoughts about Chambers possibly transferring. Is it the right thing for him to do? I just don't think it would work out very well for his success to do so.

She won't say anything until after the fact. It would be in poor taste to break a story like this on a message board.

I say he stays. Sounds like Linette was already working out his housing arrangement yesterday, and she probably knew about the suspension then. He is 20, an emotional kid. Once he calms down, he will figure out staying is best for him short and long term. Not worth losing a year of eligibility and sitting another year over 2 games. he just needs to get ready for SDSU game, because we will need him then. Take the lumps, swallow your pride, and come back hungry and ready to lay it out on the field.

I am going to preface my comments with the statement that I love O'neil Chambers and I want him on the team. Having said that, he needs to take a step back and take a hard look at what is happening right now. It is not good to make life altering decisions when you are upset. If he transfers now, it will ruin his career. I have said this before and I will say it again, if he quits BYU's team and transfers somewhere else, BYU will be better off without him. I have maintained that transfers are quitters. I don't believe that he is a quitter so he needs to do what it takes to get back into the good graces of Bronco and work harder to make BYU a better team, if he does that, he will be a better player and a better person for it. It is not the punishment that makes you learn and grow from a bad experience, it is how to handle the punishment.

Yes, I agree. My hope would be that those close to him are encouraging him to stay.

Harmon just tweeted:

Harmonwrites Chambers changing housing arrangements is a requirement to return to the football team, say sources.



Sounds like Linette was working to keep him here since yesterday. Good mom. I think he stays.

Makes no sense for a junior to transfer.

Transferring would be possibly the single most stupid decision he could make, other than robbing a bank, becoming a Yewt fan, or quitting football altogether. I highly doubt Chambers leaves, he has GOT to be more sensible than that.

Lawboy wrote:
Harmon just tweeted:

Harmonwrites Chambers changing housing arrangements is a requirement to return to the football team, say sources.



Sounds like Linette was working to keep him here since yesterday. Good mom. I think he stays.

I thought Momma Chambers was looking for an apartment close to UVU? I thought you had to be in closer proximity to BYU then that?

A better program than BYU will never give him a redshirt scholarship and a senior year scholarship.



He'd be essentially leaving to play for one year.... and only if he finds a desperate college team like New Mexico to take him.



It would be the stupidest move; well since his last stupid move. If he doesn't grow up here and now, he'll never grow up.



The grass is not greener on the other side; and I fear this kid is going to have to learn the hard way.

Honestly, I can't remember this much drama surrounding a single player in a long long time, even the whole Unga fiasco was kept a lot quieter than this. I mean it's non-stop with Chambers. Don't get me wrong, I love the passion and I love the outspoken, fiery attitude, but the kid's got to get himself under control and grow up.

All I know is that there are 2 sides to every story, and the fact is, we have neither side as of right now. We just know the outcome. based upon that, last thing I am gonna do is make assumptions.



We need to recognize how hard it is for non-LDS kids to come to BYU and make it. We also need ot recognize how hard it is for minority non-LDS to come to BYU. BYU is white bread, white washed, white out as it gets. I am just glad that player like OC choose to come to BYU at all. Same with the Logan's, Eason's, Sampson's, Everett's, Hoffman's, etc. BYU is helped by their presence too.



Also, let's not lose sight that this is a college student, not a pro athlete. Just get behind the kid and his family, and support him and BYU. Last thing anyone needs is for people without all the facts to just pile on based upon assumptions.

well said Lawboy, As to the other posters, transferring would be idiotic. I'm just concerned it could turn into a longer suspension and/or being forced out.

In the last 5 years, how many times has Bronco suspended someone midseason...?



I hesitate to comment on OC in respect to his mom, but this kid has acted entitled the day he got here.



What most of you don't know about is his outbursts in practice; his reluctance to do what is asked of him to help the team at times, and his insistance that he's a premier 6'3" receiver that has NFL ability, in spite of his inability to get any separation from dbs on routes. There are and have been entitlement issues..... Bronco and the coaches have to decide if this kid is cancer, and if it's curable or not.



I'm not sure if this team isnt' better off without him. This is a year where we need people to lead by example; not fold under the pressure or tell the coaches what they should be doing.



This kind of "me 1st" attitude can be infectious and dangerous when a team is struggling. No one is bigger than the team.



I'm reminded in many ways, how Bret Engemann came to town and how he amounted to nothing, inspite of NFL size, an NFL arm, etc. because he was a me 1st player. From minute 1, Engeman refused to allow the team to cut his hair as a freshman and then Brett Keisel, Chris Hoke, Shawn Nua, and Ryan Denney (all NFL players) proceeded to make him their punching bags in practice for the year.



If there was ever a time for a kid to have an epiphany and turn this ship around, it would be right now; I just dont' think it will happen. In fact, I see a "me 1st" kid that thinks that it's more important to protect his pride than do the right thing.



I've had about all I can of idiots that say "I'ma do me..." and spend the rest of their lives fighting the world.



This board is full of successful attornies, businessmen, doctors, etc. I dont' think at anytime has anyone seen the benefit of trying to be bigger than the system. When that happens, the only one that fails is the individual. It's okay to be an individual, but successful people make sure that they keep in the good graces of those that control their destiny; unsuccessful people don't.



The kid is getting a free education and has played on a couple of the most successful teams in BYU history; yet somehow, while others manage to stay out of trouble, he can't. That is troubling.



Maybe if "doing me" isnt' working out, then it's time to try something different. If he leaves, he'll be a nice cautionary tale for the next guys that take his spot; because there's nothing better out there for a guy with one more year of elibigility left.



Personally, I think OC is in need of some serious tough love. There are 80+ other guys on the team that aren't getting suspended.



It sounds to be like the kid has one foot in the grave and is another outburst or mistep from being kicked off the team. I guess we'll find out what kind of man he is, if he can pull that foot out and right the ship...

craigoscarson wrote:
I hesitate to comment on OC in respect to his mom, but this kid has acted entitled the day he got here.



What most of you don't know about is his outbursts in practice; his reluctance to do what is asked of him to help the team at times, and his insistance that he's a premier 6'3" receiver that has NFL ability. There are and have been entitlement issues.....



I'm not sure if this team isnt' better off without him. This is a year where we need people to lead by example; not fold under the pressure or tell the coaches what they should be doing.



This kind of "me 1st" attitude can be infectious and dangerous when a team is struggling. No one is bigger than the team.



I'm reminded in many ways, how Bret Engemann came to town and how he amounted to nothing, inspite of NFL size, an NFL arm, etc. because he was a me 1st player. From minute 1, Engeman refused to allow the team to cut his hair as a freshman and then Brett Keisel, Chris Hoke, Shawn Nua, and Ryan Denney (all NFL players) proceeded to make him their punching bags in practice.



If there was ever a time for a kid to have an epiphany and turn this ship around, it would be right now; I just dont' think it will happen. In fact, I see a "me 1st" kid that thinks that it's more important to protect his pride than do the right thing.



I've had about all I can of idiots that say "I'ma do me..." and spend the rest of their lives fighting the world.



This board is full of successful attornies, businessmen, doctors, etc. I dont' think at anytime has anyone seen the benefit of trying to be bigger than the system. When that happens, the only one that fails is the individual.



The kid is getting a free education and has played on a couple of the most successful teams in BYU history; yet somehow, while others manage to stay out of trouble, he can't. That is troubling.



Maybe if "doing me" isnt' working out, then it's time to try something different. If he leaves, he'll be a nice cautionary tale for the next guys that take his spot; because there's nothing better out there for a guy with one more year of elibigility left.



Personally, I think OC is in need of some serious tough love. There are 80+ other guys on the team that aren't getting suspended.



It sounds to be like the kid has one foot in the grave and is another outburst or mistep from being kicked off the team. I guess we'll find out what kind of man he is, if he can pull that foot out and right the ship...

Well... Now we know how you feel! I like how you assume a lot of things. Is this his first suspension??? How big of a stone did you just cast???



I thought he was suspended because of academics?

How long have I been around and when have I ever posted bad info? (I'm not in the habit of inventing rumors; most of you know that)



I assure you, I'm not assuming too much. I've chatted with several players on the current team. But even if I hadn't, can you name 5 guys that have been suspended midseason by BYU coaches and managed to finish their careers at BYU?



If he doesn't right the ship, I assure you, that he'll be kicked out, which is one reason he might be considering transferring in the 1st place. (not terribly different than what we saw with Michael Loyd on the hoops team last year).



My feeling, is if you're going to talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk.



There are a lot of things to like about OC too, but at the end of the day, there are 80+ other guys on the team not getting suspended.



(and dont' give me the BYU culture vs minority athlete thing; Brian Logan and Corby Eason have been model citizens)



No one is bigger than the team or the rules.

craigoscarson wrote:

(and dont' give me the BYU culture vs minority athlete thing; Brian Logan and Corby Eason have been model citizens)



No one is bigger than the team or the rules.

I understand it is a person to person issue, but if you go back and review the issues with individual players, the fact is that non-LDS, non-white athletes at BYU have more issues than any other group. It is a statistically accurate fact. You can not overstate the cultural aspect of that enough, if you ask me. It is a truth, not an excuse.

Lawboy wrote:

(and dont' give me the BYU culture vs minority athlete thing; Brian Logan and Corby Eason have been model citizens)



No one is bigger than the team or the rules.

I understand it is a person to person issue, but if you go back and review the issues with individual players, the fact is that non-LDS, non-white athletes at BYU have more issues than any other group. It is a statistically accurate fact. You can not overstate the cultural aspect of that enough, if you ask me. It is a truth, not an excuse.

It's a truth and an excuse. yes it is harder to be a non-lds student, but no one forced them to come and i assure you that they were well informed on what would be expected of them.



If you dont' know the rules, dont' sit down at the poker table. If you know the rules, then you better damn well better know how to play poker or find another game.

Italics wrote:
Transferring would be possibly the single most stupid decision he could make, other than robbing a bank, becoming a Yewt fan, or quitting football altogether. I highly doubt Chambers leaves, he has GOT to be more sensible than that.

What's wrong with robbing banks or quitting football?

Problem is, with that approach, once it happens enough, certain kids will find another game. Not like we aren't battling Utah for recruits. Have enough of these situations, and we start losing the Joe Sampson's, and DeQuan Everett's and other kids to other schools. These guys need to know they can make it, know they will be treated well and fairly. Basically, the dealer needs to be willing to educate while the game is played, not just willing to just dole out the consequences. It sounds like that did happen with OC, and Bronco has worked with him to educate him. But I guarantee if we asked the Logan;s and Eason's about this, they are way more sympathetic about OC's plight, because they know how tough it is.