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Tax Tsunami on the Horizon

by snoscythe · 9/21/2010

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snoscythe
In another thread, another poster commented on how Congress was going to be raising taxes on the rich by inaction--by declining to renew the Bush tax breaks on high-earners. Rather than hijack that thread into a political debate, I thought I would post this article here that catalogs all of the various tax raises EVERYONE will be seeing soon simply because Congress is letting deadlines slide.



http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/541131/201007211841/The-Tax-Tsunami-On-The-Horizon.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Now, I am a practical person--I understand that to heal the economy over the long-term we need to get our budget in the black and start paying off our debts--and that's going to require higher taxes. At the pinnacle of the American economy in the roaring twenties, income tax rates were over 50% across the board. I think we can afford to pay more than we are paying now, and I think we need to if we want any prayer at righting the sinking ship. That said, this is the absolute wrong way to do it.



The first step to getting out of debt and getting financially secure is to corral spending. That is the antithesis of what has been happening. Congress is spending money at a record-clip, borrowing and printing more money than should be imagined. Until Congress can show fiscal responsibility, they should not be raising taxes.



My second complaint is this--rather than being studious in levying and raising taxes to generate the most revenue with the lightest impact on a delicate economy, Congress is taking the easy road out, and that easy road is going to kick us in the nuts. No one wants to vote on a bill that expressly raises or levies a tax--it would be suicide in November if they did. So instead of doing what's best for the country and their constituents, they do what's best for their career and raise taxes by simply letting things expire that need to be renewed.



Taxes need to go up, but Congress needs to cut the fat and make hard positive decisions for the good of their country, and we as voting citizens need to support them when/if they do.
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Guest
Well said.



I am also against the death tax, which also gets reinstated after this year. I think it is fundamentally unfair that Congress taxes a person his whole life and then takes over 50% of whatever is left at the end of his life. George Steinbrenner saved his posterity over $500 million by dying this year instead of next.
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Jumanji
Raising taxes is certainly not the answer in our fragile economy. This just supports the arrogance of this administration in thinking that THEY can solve the problem and not US. Take the money out of the hands of the ignorant public and let the all knowing federal government place it where they think is best.



By giving the Federal Government an additional 100 Billion a year what are we really going to accomplish? They have proven incapable of spending productively and certainly will not apply a significant amount toward the national debt.



The government's problem is not a revenue problem. It is a spending problem and I personally do not think this administration is capable of or willing to curb spending.
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SpiffCoug
Yep, it's the spending that's the problem. People want programs cut, just not THEIR programs. No one is willing to sacrifice the programs that help them.
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Guest
kitic77 wrote:
Yep, it's the spending that's the problem. People want programs cut, just not THEIR programs. No one is willing to sacrifice the programs that help them.


Lets cut them all, except for the CougarCorner Assistance and Aid bill I plan on introducing this session...
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HoosierCougar
kitic77 wrote:
Yep, it's the spending that's the problem. People want programs cut, just not THEIR programs. No one is willing to sacrifice the programs that help them.


The other problem is that political "class warefare" is well underway. While the lowest tax bracket takes the biggest hit (percent increase), this is being billed as "taxing the wealthy. So not only will this inaction disproportionately raise taxes on the lowest taxable income levels (not the poorest, they don't pay any income taxes, right), there is no intention of taxing "wealth", only income.



Ironically, you know who taxes wealth? Besides inflationary economies, venture capital and wealth management funds. These funds generally take a percentace of assets under management as well as a percentage of annual gains. The percentage of assets under management is a tax on the wealth of their clients.
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BoiseBYU
May I weigh in? In my humble view, our political system is fundamentally broken and that has me scared to death. Both parties over the past three decades have either increased spending, cut taxes (or done both) with little regard to the revenues being brought in and the results are unsustainable. Some day China will stop buying our debt. Each day the more money we borrow and the increased interest we pay on our debt is a cancer on our economy and one day that house of cards will collapse. We have much much more to fear from a political system that cannot address this insanity than we do from 400 evil terrorists holed up in Afghanistan. I have wondered if we had a balanced budget admendment if it would not focus us better on deciding what is truly needed. If we had to increase our taxes, would we agree for 100 additional fighter planes? If no to the taxes, what would we cut instead? If we had to agree to new taxes, would we have gone to war against Iraq? Perhaps the answers would be yes, but now it is too easy to say, these bombers or that war or this health plan is so important I am willing to impose the costs of it upon your children and your grandchildren because that is what we are doing now. Right now the 800 pound gorillas are homeland security, medicare, social security and health care. The problems are real and immediate. In my view they will not be solved by "cutting waste" --there is not enough waste to cover the trillions in deficits we are running and have run over the past few years. It will have to be by reconfiguring these and other programs. I have very little faith in our current leaders and that they have the courage to take these issues on. I pray for honest men and women of integrity to arise and lead us. I hope they appear. When it comes to taxes, I think a national sales tax is preferable to taxes on income or performance..tax usage and acquisition instead. I'm probably way out there on that one, but there you go. Sorry for rambling, but I actually really do worry about this



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snoscythe
Read this insight this morning on my train ride into work:



"The Members attend closely without being bribed to it, by either Salary, Place, or Pension, or the hopes of any; which I mention for your reflection on the difference, between a new virtuous people, who have publick spirit, and an old corrupt one, who have not so much as an Idea that such a thing exists in Nature."



- Benjamin Franklin, describing the Continental Congress in a July 7, 1775 letter to a friend in England



"Her great disease at present is the number and enormous Salaries and Emoluments of Office. Avarice and Ambition are strong Passions, and, separately, act with great Force on the human Mind; but, when both are united, and may be gratified in the same Object, their violence is almost irresistible, and they hurry Men headlong into Factions and Contentions, destructive of all good government. As long, therefore, as these great Emoluments subsist, your Parliament will be a Stormy Sea and your Public Councils confounded by private interests. But it requires much Public Spirit and Virtue to abolish them; more perhaps than can now be found in a nation so long corrupted."



- Benjamin Franklin in a March 17, 1783 letter to the same friend (Jonathan Shipley) in England



I've noticed in my reading of late that our current government is trending towards that same government our forefathers shed blood to be rid of.
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CougarClaw
Vote the incumbents out.



no more lifetime politicians. How's that for a start?



Pay attention to China's currency peg. They buy our debt to maintain their under-valued currency. As their economy begins to shift from an exporter to a consumer and services-based economy, the need for a low currency will diminish and they'll want to stop adding to their 1.7 Trillion in US debt.
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SpiffCoug
One thing, thankfully, China must do is continue to fund our debt. Without America buying their products, their economy would collapse. Their people can't afford their products. If our economy fails, theirs does too. They must prop us up. So that is a somewhat encouraging thing in the face of awful debt.
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ABYUFAN
When did we switch from "tidal wave" to tsunami? I prefer the former :sulk:
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BoiseBYU
ABYUFAN wrote:
When did we switch from "tidal wave" to tsunami? I prefer the former :sulk:


Even our adjectives have been outsourced.....
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