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My sources telling me BYU to the WAC tomorrow

by ThrowbackBlue · 8/31/2010

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ThrowbackBlue
This probably wont come as anything new to most of us, but speaking with my sources in the athletic department all indications are that BYU is going to announce they'll go independent in football and join the WAC for all other sports. Expect the announcement tomorrow (obviously that's not saying much considering it's the 31st).



The move, as we've all anticipated/speculated, is not only an escape from the MWC and the dreaded Mtn contract, but also a precursor to our move to the Big 12 within the next couple years.



We know the WAC intends to enforce Fresno and Nevada to pay now and stay through 2012 so we have playing partners for the next two years until the Big 12 invite is extended. There have also been numerous discussions with other programs to replace them in the near future.

On a side note..... Nevada and Fresno may not be all in with the MWC. Given the 5 million dollar penalty for leaving and knowing here was no penalty to go back to the WAC, they may have only been protecting their future in the event that the deal with BYU did not come to fruition. (my source didn't say these discussions have taken place necessarily, rather, he mentioned it as one of the possible scenarios that may play into the situation.)



One thing was very apparent in the offices I was in-- BYU is NOT happy with the MWC and Craig Thompson.



Like I said, none of this is major news or anything, more of a confirmation of speculations we've all had (I'm putting about 90% confidence in it). Of course, these things seemingly change by the minute so who knows what has transpired since this afternoon. Either way I left feeling our athletic department is putting BYU in a better position moving forward.



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Y 4 Ever
Uh...BYU had better NOT be happy with The Hair. I'm trying to decide who I hate worse right now, Hair, Larry Scott, or the Devil. (Of course, maybe they are all one and the same...I mean, I haven't ever seen them together...hmmmmmm)



Anyway, we cannot go back to the MWC unless they give us literally EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WE WANT! I mean the royal Texas Treatment times ten. Otherwise, we'd be as good as admitting that we are The Hair's little beeotch...



p.s. did I mention that I hate the Hair?
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scott715
How about Obama? He is the top of the list. Then Scott and Hair. Oh I forgot about Satan, him too, after the above list.
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BigCougsFan
Is everyone's "source" from the athletic department?



Could this "source" be same person everyone talks to? How many people in the athletic department really are leaking out this info???
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CannonCougar85
The thing about BYU is that there are only 3 or 4 people who know exactly what is going on. That is it. Because of this there usually aren't any leaks. The only time there are leaks is right before it happens when other members of the Athletic Department are given assignments pertaining to what is about to happen.



It's an exciting time to be a Cougar Fan!!



It's like Christmas Eve!! And then Friday is another Christmas Eve!! 2 in one week!! Gotta love that!!
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Florwood
So if it works out this way, we move to the WAC and play 4-6 games with WAC teams in 2011, does BYU refuse to include Nevada and FSU in that schedule? Doesn't seem that BYU would want to 'reward' them by playing them, either at our place or theirs...
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Cougarbib
If BYU has the chance, they should play both in Provo and spank them good. But then, I think we get to spank Nevada this season. I would love two in a row in Provo. I would not visit either of them, though in 2012, unless they repent and stay in the WAC.



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Sammich
Florwood wrote:
So if it works out this way, we move to the WAC and play 4-6 games with WAC teams in 2011, does BYU refuse to include Nevada and FSU in that schedule? Doesn't seem that BYU would want to 'reward' them by playing them, either at our place or theirs...

If BYU goes independent, I doubt they'll be able to afford holding grudges, at least when it comes to scheduling. And should they, really? The best way for BYU to stand above the petty politics that have defined the conference movements in the past months is to act forgiving and magnanimous.
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SFCougBlue
Do FSU and NV get extra money if we play them? If so, if we schedule them, aren't we helping them pay their $5M?
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ctcoug
ThrowbackBlue wrote:
If you can't reveal the source, don't post it. It's the single biggest problem in journalism today: anonymous reporting. It is nearly impossible to vet an anonymous source. If he doesn't want you to reveal who he is, then he shouldn't be telling you. As a journalist, it's lazy and poor journalism t...


Wait, is this the same ThrowbackBlue that posted this comment a while back? Not that I mind of course, I just thought it was curious.
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Italics
BigCougsFan wrote:
Is everyone's "source" from the athletic department?



Could this "source" be same person everyone talks to? How many people in the athletic department really are leaking out this info???


All I know are these two things:



1) Lots of people with "sources" in the recent future have been full of crap



2) Lots of people with "sources" have been giving conflicting reports, which means they are lying, their sources are lying, or their sources don't know that much.
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BYULV
ctcoug wrote:
If you can't reveal the source, don't post it. It's the single biggest problem in journalism today: anonymous reporting. It is nearly impossible to vet an anonymous source. If he doesn't want you to reveal who he is, then he shouldn't be telling you. As a journalist, it's lazy and poor journalism t...


Wait, is this the same ThrowbackBlue that posted this comment a while back? Not that I mind of course, I just thought it was curious.


That's kind of weird.



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Mars


1- BYU doesn't have to have a press conference. Ever. They can just quietly stay in the MWC ("BOOO!").



2- BYU does have to have a presser by Wednesday night if they want to go Indy in 2011. If they want to go Indy in 2012, they better do it by Wednesday night anyways, because the MWC is expected to vote in a $10MM exit penalty this year, with or without BYU's consent. They don't need our vote to create new rules and regulations.



3- BYU doesn't have to announce a new conference by Wednesday, but if they are going to join the WAC, they should do it by then. That way Fresno State and Nevada owe a combined $5MM, which may help force them to stay. Which may help lure back Boise State, and/or lure in UNLV/SDSU, and/or UTEP/Houston/Houston, etc. At the very least you have guaranteed games against SJSU/Idaho/NMSU/Louisiana Tech, and Hawaii/Utah State if the MWC doesn't attempt to raid the WAC again. Which, admittedly, they probably would, successfully and without any exit clause penalties at this point.



4- Choosing the WAC may again may mean choosing a 5-year contract, with a $2MM buy-out penalty for us. If not, and things don't work out, BYU can always leave the WAC after a year or two and join the WCC- if we don't choose them straight-up first. Gonzaga and Co., at the very least, make a decent fall-back plan.



5- BYU has the option to go Indy by Wednesday but not name a new conference home, which would put a TON of political pressure on the MWC to change their bylaws and make a desperate, last-attempt bid to keep BYU basketball, etc. But the WCC will be there for us, waiting quietly in the background as our safety net. We wouldn't need to announce them until May or so of next year if we're still really enjoying being secretive and mysterious for as long as possible, like we are now...





For the record, #5 outlines what I personally think will happen, IE not Tuesday and not the WAC. But I'm just making an educated guess.
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ThrowbackBlue
BYULV wrote:
ThrowbackBlue wrote:
If you can't reveal the source, don't post it. It's the single biggest problem in journalism today: anonymous reporting. It is nearly impossible to vet an anonymous source. If he doesn't want you to reveal who he is, then he shouldn't be telling you. As a journalist, it's lazy and poor journalism t...


Wait, is this the same ThrowbackBlue that posted this comment a while back? Not that I mind of course, I just thought it was curious.


That's kind of weird.



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I am the same throwbackbackblue from the discussion you quoted above. However, the post you quoted was that of another CC poster (Kitic I believe) questioning my "sources."



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ThrowbackBlue
Italics wrote:
Is everyone's "source" from the athletic department?



Could this "source" be same person everyone talks to? How many people in the athletic department really are leaking out this info???


All I know are these two things:



1) Lots of people with "sources" in the recent future have been full of crap



2) Lots of people with "sources" have been giving conflicting reports, which means they are lying, their sources are lying, or their sources don't know that much.




I used to work in athletics and my sources are former coworkers who I consider friends and people I trust. Somebody said it best earlier when they said there are only about four people who really know what the outcome will be. Everybody else gets tidbits of information, but I can't say with certainty that my sources exactly how it will all shake down in the end. Knowing that they only have small tidbits or they could lose their jobs if they revealed more, is why I only put 90% confidence in this particular outcome.



There was honestly more discussion about the probability of joining the Big 12 than discussions regarding independence. The Big 12 dumped and speculation are VERY viable and give us a lot more to look forward to in coming years.



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imuakahuku
ThrowbackBlue wrote:
BigCougsFan wrote:
Is everyone's "source" from the athletic department?



Could this "source" be same person everyone talks to? How many people in the athletic department really are leaking out this info???


All I know are these two things:



1) Lots of people with "sources" in the recent future have been full of crap



2) Lots of people with "sources" have been giving conflicting reports, which means they are lying, their sources are lying, or their sources don't know that much.




I used to work in athletics and my sources are former coworkers who I consider friends and people I trust. Somebody said it best earlier when they said there are only about four people who really know what the outcome will be. Everybody else gets tidbits of information, but I can't say with certainty that my sources exactly how it will all shake down in the end. Knowing that they only have small tidbits or they could lose their jobs if they revealed more, is why I only put 90% confidence in this particular outcome.



There was honestly more discussion about the probability of joining the Big 12 than discussions regarding independence. The Big 12 dumped and speculation are VERY viable and give us a lot more to look forward to in coming years.



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Is that you Coach Arnold? :)



Speaking of the Big 12, I wonder if TCU is pushing Arkansas to join along with BYU. After all that opens a nice spot in the SEC and I think it would be a match made in Heaven for the SEC and TCU. They may not fill the stadium now but what happens if Florida comes in this week and next week its Georgia or LSU? Seems to me things would get pretty exciting on campus and in the community if that were to happen. And it would give the SEC a very valuable footprint into Texas as far as recruiting goes. Imagine being able to invite recruits all around Dallas and north Texas to come watch TCU play one of the SEC powerhouses. Win-win-win-win-win for all five (BYU-TCU-Arkansas-SEC-B12).
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jonnylingo
imuakahuku wrote:
Italics wrote:
Is everyone's "source" from the athletic department?



Could this "source" be same person everyone talks to? How many people in the athletic department really are leaking out this info???


All I know are these two things:



1) Lots of people with "sources" in the recent future have been full of crap



2) Lots of people with "sources" have been giving conflicting reports, which means they are lying, their sources are lying, or their sources don't know that much.




I used to work in athletics and my sources are former coworkers who I consider friends and people I trust. Somebody said it best earlier when they said there are only about four people who really know what the outcome will be. Everybody else gets tidbits of information, but I can't say with certainty that my sources exactly how it will all shake down in the end. Knowing that they only have small tidbits or they could lose their jobs if they revealed more, is why I only put 90% confidence in this particular outcome.



There was honestly more discussion about the probability of joining the Big 12 than discussions regarding independence. The Big 12 dumped and speculation are VERY viable and give us a lot more to look forward to in coming years.



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Is that you Coach Arnold? :)



Speaking of the Big 12, I wonder if TCU is pushing Arkansas to join along with BYU. After all that opens a nice spot in the SEC and I think it would be a match made in Heaven for the SEC and TCU. They may not fill the stadium now but what happens if Florida comes in this week and next week its Georgia or LSU? Seems to me things would get pretty exciting on campus and in the community if that were to happen. And it would give the SEC a very valuable footprint into Texas as far as recruiting goes. Imagine being able to invite recruits all around Dallas and north Texas to come watch TCU play one of the SEC powerhouses. Win-win-win-win-win for all five (BYU-TCU-Arkansas-SEC-B12).


True but A&M could take that slot as well.
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snoscythe
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Lawboy
snoscythe wrote:
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Exactly. Interesting tweet. I think it happens today, and connecting the dots from the previous days, I think it is Indy in football, with the WAC for the rest. FSU and Nevada have to stay for 2011-12, which helps BYU with scheduling, and they might even stay longer now if the WAC can get a better TV deal in place. The WAC could still pull this off and be better off than the MWC in the end.
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CougarClaw
Who tweets for TaloTBS? 4pm?



IT"S SO FLUFFY I COULD DIE!



No way we go back to the MWC without a whole suite of concessions they won't be willing to give us. I'm with Mars on option 5. I think we declare independence which gives us a whole lot more time for a whole lot more options and the WCC will take us whenever.
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