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BYU- That's Hot

by Mars · 8/30/2010

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Mars


"BYU

Okay, so it hasn’t approached the level of Texas or Notre Dame, but BYU has proven to be an unexpectedly powerful player in realignment discussions. When the Cougars sneezed earlier in the month, every other non-AQ conference caught a cold. As it weighs independence versus a return to the Mountain West, the program might be on the verge of becoming a poor-man’s, western version of the Irish (although it's leaning towards sticking around in the stronger version of the league)."



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Cougs_Rule
Mars, the problem for BYU is not that its the most overall attractive girl in the conference, its that she sits around and starts thinking obsessively about it. She may have a nice dowry waiting for her (the new media building); she may even have the most well-rounded (no pun intended) features (overall sports programs), but the moment she starts saying to herself. "I'M HOT", a new unattractive dimension shows up. Further, the minute she starts making conclusions with attribution or causation as much based on context and timing as actual attractiveness, its called hubris. Hubris leads to sloppiness and bad contracts. I just hope this time BYU administration doesn't assume they have the leverage to do whatever they feel expedient because they are HOT--it hasnt worked in getting out of the current contract or more getting more paydirt out of the MWC and the Mtn network. Im not suggesting we roll over and die or be weak and go back, tail between legs, but hopefully TH and CS are keeping their wits about them and not just getting so hot under the collar that they make another bad deal. Not all that's gold is good. BUt then again, I guess a golden handcuff is better than a rusty old one. :)
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imuakahuku
I never thought of this as an issue of hubris or BYU thinking they are "Hot". I think they have been pondering this for several seasons and now that Utah has substantially improved their position, it has forced BYU to take the actions that are in her own interets or suffer the consequences.
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Y12
BYU was on the verge of justifying a heavy payday from the BCS. Can you imagine if BSU went back to the WAC? And if TCU decided CUSA was a better fit again.



MWC disolves. BCS has no conference within a light year of challenging for AQ status.



Even without these moves. MWC is far from AQ status without BYU.
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vancouvercougar
I never thought of Independence as BYU proving how hot it is. I have a few friends--OK their my wife's friends--who thought that :utard: was a church school. Those who really know me know where my allegiances are.



Even more than $, BYU wants opportunity to have greater exposure. The LDS church is an international organization, and many athletes in the various sports attend from all over the world. Wouldn't it be nice if their families the world over had access to see them perform.
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imuakahuku
I know that back in the 80's BYU was world renown in BBall because it was about the only team they could watch because of BYU-TV. BYU had a LOT of fans because they were the only game on TV.
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Brayden Green
dmcougar wrote:
Mars, the problem for BYU is not that its the most overall attractive girl in the conference, its that she sits around and starts thinking obsessively about it. She may have a nice dowry waiting for her (the new media building); she may even have the most well-rounded (no pun intended) features (overall sports programs), but the moment she starts saying to herself. "I'M HOT", a new unattractive dimension shows up. Further, the minute she starts making conclusions with attribution or causation as much based on context and timing as actual attractiveness, its called hubris. Hubris leads to sloppiness and bad contracts. I just hope this time BYU administration doesn't assume they have the leverage to do whatever they feel expedient because they are HOT--it hasnt worked in getting out of the current contract or more getting more paydirt out of the MWC and the Mtn network. Im not suggesting we roll over and die or be weak and go back, tail between legs, but hopefully TH and CS are keeping their wits about them and not just getting so hot under the collar that they make another bad deal. Not all that's gold is good. BUt then again, I guess a golden handcuff is better than a rusty old one. :)




Yeah, leave it to the Quorom of 12 Apostles to make rash, self-aggrandizing, moves. They always do stuff without thinking it through. Geez! :skeptic: :roll: :skeptic:



(Note: This is VERY tongue in cheek, for those that have troubles. ;) )
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Cougs_Rule
BlueIsBetter wrote:
Mars, the problem for BYU is not that its the most overall attractive girl in the conference, its that she sits around and starts thinking obsessively about it. She may have a nice dowry waiting for her (the new media building); she may even have the most well-rounded (no pun intended) features (overall sports programs), but the moment she starts saying to herself. "I'M HOT", a new unattractive dimension shows up. Further, the minute she starts making conclusions with attribution or causation as much based on context and timing as actual attractiveness, its called hubris. Hubris leads to sloppiness and bad contracts. I just hope this time BYU administration doesn't assume they have the leverage to do whatever they feel expedient because they are HOT--it hasnt worked in getting out of the current contract or more getting more paydirt out of the MWC and the Mtn network. Im not suggesting we roll over and die or be weak and go back, tail between legs, but hopefully TH and CS are keeping their wits about them and not just getting so hot under the collar that they make another bad deal. Not all that's gold is good. BUt then again, I guess a golden handcuff is better than a rusty old one. :)


Yeah, leave it to the Quorom of 12 Apostles to make rash, self-aggrandizing, moves. They always do stuff without thinking it through. Geez! :skeptic: :roll: :skeptic:



(Note: This is VERY tongue in cheek, for those that have troubles. ;) )


Blue, are you contesting my point or supporting? it seems you are contesting.

Let me ask then how in the world and why in the world did BYU get the short end of this stick?

Possible explanations.

1.CS did not have all the info when the tv deal was signed?

2. CS rushed in thinking it was so progressive that we should get ahead of the other conferences?

3. The cable company flat out lied? (Hmm, that would be a breach of contract.)

4. Byu needed to buy time to get their big, self-sustaining broadcast center built?

5. There were handshake deals that coverage would expand and revenue would go up?

My point is that the Board of Trustees may have had only limited info from which to make a decision. Does that make them infallible? No. Am I criticizing them? No.

But clearly BYU does not like the deal as currently constituted. So, you tell the rest of us what happened and why we signed a deal that we now want so desperately out of.
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Brayden Green
dmcougar wrote:
dmcougar wrote:
Mars, the problem for BYU is not that its the most overall attractive girl in the conference, its that she sits around and starts thinking obsessively about it. She may have a nice dowry waiting for her (the new media building); she may even have the most well-rounded (no pun intended) features (overall sports programs), but the moment she starts saying to herself. "I'M HOT", a new unattractive dimension shows up. Further, the minute she starts making conclusions with attribution or causation as much based on context and timing as actual attractiveness, its called hubris. Hubris leads to sloppiness and bad contracts. I just hope this time BYU administration doesn't assume they have the leverage to do whatever they feel expedient because they are HOT--it hasnt worked in getting out of the current contract or more getting more paydirt out of the MWC and the Mtn network. Im not suggesting we roll over and die or be weak and go back, tail between legs, but hopefully TH and CS are keeping their wits about them and not just getting so hot under the collar that they make another bad deal. Not all that's gold is good. BUt then again, I guess a golden handcuff is better than a rusty old one. :)


Yeah, leave it to the Quorom of 12 Apostles to make rash, self-aggrandizing, moves. They always do stuff without thinking it through. Geez! :skeptic: :roll: :skeptic:



(Note: This is VERY tongue in cheek, for those that have troubles. ;) )


Blue, are you contesting my point or supporting? it seems you are contesting.

Let me ask then how in the world and why in the world did BYU get the short end of this stick?

Possible explanations.

1.CS did not have all the info when the tv deal was signed?

2. CS rushed in thinking it was so progressive that we should get ahead of the other conferences?

3. The cable company flat out lied? (Hmm, that would be a breach of contract.)

4. Byu needed to buy time to get their big, self-sustaining broadcast center built?

5. There were handshake deals that coverage would expand and revenue would go up?

My point is that the Board of Trustees may have had only limited info from which to make a decision. Does that make them infallible? No. Am I criticizing them? No.

But clearly BYU does not like the deal as currently constituted. So, you tell the rest of us what happened and why we signed a deal that we now want so desperately out of.


I'm confused, are you talking about now, or in the past, or in the future? You keep jumping back and forth, I feel like i'm watching back to the future... ;)
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Brayden Green
dmcougar wrote:
Mars, the problem for BYU is not that its the most overall attractive girl in the conference, its that she sits around and starts thinking obsessively about it.


I'm pretty sure that BYU doesn't dwell on the fact that they are awesome. Acknowledging something, and acting accordingly are different then being stuck up or egotistical.








dmcougar wrote:
Further, the minute she starts making conclusions with attribution or causation as much based on context and timing as actual attractiveness


Are you trying to say something here? Something about hubris? Less is more, my friend.
dmcougar wrote:

I just hope this time BYU administration doesn't assume they have the leverage to do whatever they feel expedient because they are HOT


They do have that leverage, and they should feel that way. They have earned it.



The MWC and the MTN are better than the football version of the WAC. As demonstrated by Boise coming to the MWC with or without Utah and BYU. If BYU were still in the WAC, we would be cleaning up still, like BSU currently is - with one caveat. That is, that we wouldn't be as good of a football team as BSU. That's right, I said it. I didn't say that we are currently not as good, but that we would be in trouble still, recruiting in the WAC. BSU recruits well, because they have HORRIFIC academics, and easy standards, classes, etc. Can you imagine a school as strict as BYU recruiting in a terrible conferences, with high standards, and you have to be a straight B- student or better to play? What a nightmare! So to answer your series of questions, BYU was excited to get away from the bottom feeder WAC, A crappy MTN deal is better than no tv deal at all, and I am sure that there were some things said to BYU that haven't come through. BYU is tired of it, and is moving up. The MWC is a better conference than the WAC in sports that matter (Fball, Bball) but they are nowhere close to qualifying for an AQ bid. Even with Utah, they don't qualify in all areas. So the best shot they (and for the meantime we) have at an AQ bid is to be better than other conferences, and then in 2012 (election year, anyone?) the attorney general's will sue that the BCS is a monopoly system, and after 1 and a half million years and 7 different court rulings, we may or may not have a shot. Which by that time, the BCS will have figured out a way to become some other organization, with a changed name, and the same function. So I don't blame BYU for not wanting to put every egg in that basket. And as some other posters have pointed out, the conference only needs to have majority vote to imply rules (ie a 75% vote on all members having a $10 million buyout.) The MWC doesn't have BYU's interest in mind, and the tv deal most certainly doesn't, so it makes sense what they are doing, which is officially, exploring the options that they have earned for themselves.
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Mars
dmcougar wrote:
the moment she starts saying to herself. "I'M HOT", a new unattractive dimension shows up.

Seems to me that the Prophet is always stressing to the youth of the Church that they need to learn their real value, so they don't sell themself short in life.

There's nothing wrong with BYU wanting to be treated as good as possible because they believe, correctly, that they are special and unique.



That's very different from walking around talking about how great you are. And in this case, BYU has actually said very, VERY little publically about anything, let alone how much better they are than the lowly Wyoming's of the MWC.
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Brayden Green
Mars wrote:
the moment she starts saying to herself. "I'M HOT", a new unattractive dimension shows up.

Seems to me that the Prophet is always stressing to the youth of the Church that they need to learn their real value, so they don't sell themself short in life.

There's nothing wrong with BYU wanting to be treated as good as possible because they believe, correctly, that they are special and unique.



That's very different from walking around talking about how great you are. And in this case, BYU has actually said very, VERY little publically about anything, let alone how much better they are than the lowly Wyoming's of the MWC.


Seriously... you'd need to go back to possibly the Crowton years (if even then) to find a BYU team/coach that didn't "give credit to their" opponent's offense or defense, even while blowning them out by 30 into the 3rd quarter. And before that under Lavell, you would need to go decades and decades to find anything disrespectful or ungracious.
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