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Combined Top 120 Preseason Ranking

by byufan4ever · 8/25/2010

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byufan4ever
Here is the combined top 120 preseason ranking from Lindy's, Athlon, Rivals (Yahoo!), and Phil Steele:



1 Alabama

2 Ohio St.

3 Boise St.

4 Florida

5 Texas

6 Oklahoma

7 Nebraska

8 TCU

9 Oregon

10 Virginia Tech

11 USC

12 Iowa

13 Wisconsin

14 Miami (FL)

15 North Carolina

16 Arkansas

17 Georgia

18 Florida St.

19 LSU

20 Penn St.

21 Pittsburgh

22 Georgia Tech

23 Oregon St.

24 South Carolina

25 Auburn

26 Missouri

27 West Virginia

28 Stanford

29 Connecticut

30 Clemson

30 Houston

32 Cincinnati

33 Notre Dame

34 Utah

35 Texas A&M

36 Boston Coll.

37 Washington

38 Arizona

38 Michigan St.

40 Texas Tech

41 Navy

42 California

43 BYU

44 Michigan

45 Rutgers

46 South Florida

47 Tennessee

48 Mississippi St.

49 Air Force

50 Mississippi

51 UCLA

52 Northwestern

53 Nevada

54 Oklahoma St.

55 Kentucky

56 Kansas

57 Colorado

57 Southern Miss

59 UCF

60 N.C. State

61 Arizona St.

62 Purdue

63 Fresno St.

64 Temple

65 Wake Forest

66 Baylor

67 Kansas St.

68 Iowa St.

69 Tulsa

70 Illinois

71 SMU

72 Maryland

72 Middle Tenn. St.

74 Northern Illinois

74 Syracuse

76 Minnesota

77 Troy

78 Duke

79 Indiana

80 San Diego St.

81 Virginia

81 Wyoming

83 Vanderbilt

84 Louisiana Tech

85 UTEP

86 Louisville

86 Ohio

88 Hawaii

89 Marshall

90 East Carolina

91 Cent. Michigan

92 W. Michigan

93 Army

93 Idaho

95 Colorado St.

96 Utah St.

96 Washington St.

98 Kent St.

99 Toledo

100 Florida Atlantic

101 Bowling Green

102 UNLV

103 Rice

104 UAB

105 Arkansas St.

106 Ball St.

106 Memphis

108 Buffalo

109 Akron

110 North Texas

111 New Mexico

112 LA Lafayette

113 LA Monroe

114 Florida Intl.

115 San Jose St.

116 Miami (OH)

117 New Mexico St.

118 Tulane

119 East Michigan

120 West. Kentucky



Using this list the conferences rankings for 2010 (conference alignment next year will be way different!) are:



1 SEC

2 PAC-10

3 Big 12

4 ACC

5 Big 10

6 Big East

7 Independents

8 Mountain West

9 WAC

10 Conference USA

11 Mid-American

12 Sun Belt



Of course this is just these magazine's perceptions of how good teams are. I guess it's a good thing that BYU will be an underdog, but this conference definately has too many deadweights.
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tmoney35
How do they decide 100-117? What made someone say, "you know, out of the teams that will go 1-11, maybe 2-10 if they're lucky, I really think LA Lafayette is just a little bit better than LA Monroe, so I'll one at 112 and the other 113."



Don't you think that by time you start getting close to the triple digits, the teams all are so terrible, that the sportswriters start picking by favorite color, coolest mascot, hottest cheerleaders, etc?
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byufan4ever
I see your point, but some like Phil Steele take pride in how accurate they are in predicting in which order teams will finish in each conference. According to an independent source he has been #1 out of the major publications over the past 10 years. He also watches a TON of football so he has seen every single team play. The others usually use one writer per conference then they somehow have to agree on an overall ranking.



Some people hate rankings especially preseason ones, but I love numbers and rankings and as long as the author has put in good research I like them. But still, you have to take it for what it is. Some people take rankings too seriously. Every college fan thinks that their school is #1 and is going to go 13-0 and win the NC.
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YNot
These pre-season rankings pretty much solidify that the MWC will NOT receive an auto-bid.



Even assuming BYU stays (#43) and counting Boise State (#3), Nevada (#53) and Fresno (#63) and Houston (#30), the MWC's average ranking is 59.833, that's nearly 15 spots ON THE AVERAGE back from the Big East (average ranking is 45). The MWC (with Boise State) would still be strong with two top-10 teams, but it's CSU (#95), UNLV (#102), and New Mexico (#111) that will continue to bring the MWC down.



Note that no other BCS conference has a team in the 100's. (Washington State is the closest at #96, but ASU, the PAC 12's 11th place team is ranked #61!). While I think the MWC's rankings in the 2011 season would likely improve (BYU definitely in the top-25, with hope from Air Force and Houston), the MWC will always have the ugly bottom-feeders.



Tom Holmoe and friends have done similar analyses. This is why staying in the MWC does not make sense. There's no way, even with the best of the WAC and C-USA, that the MWC can make up enough ground in the average ranking category to have a legitimate shot at automatic qualification. The best the MWC could do is qualify for an exemption review. But we all know that is unlikely to happen.



The only way possible that I see is if TCU or Boise State win the national championship (it would probably even take BOTH playing in the national championship...).



But, ultimately, the MWC will charge down the field for a shot at a 35-yard field goal, only to find that uprights have been removed....
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byufan4ever
Good analysis, I agree.
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scott715
If they created a new conference and picked the best 8 teams they could get the AQ until they change the rules. Having BSU and TCU both get to the BCS would help.
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SpiffCoug
I still want English style relegation. Split the FBS in half. 120 teams make two 48-team divisions with four 12-team conferences. Pair each FBS1 conference with an FBS2 conference. Top two in each FBS1 conference advance to the playoffs. Bottom two in FBS1 drop to correlating FBS2 conference. Top two in FBS2 move up to FBS1. Bottom two in FBS2 drop to FCS.
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Mars
kitic77 wrote:
I still want English style relegation.

I'm guessing there aren't 120 English league soccer teams.
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SpiffCoug
Mars wrote:
I still want English style relegation.

I'm guessing there aren't 120 English league soccer teams.

Actually there are:

20 teams in the English Premier League

24 teams in the English League Championship

24 teams in the English League One

24 teams in the English League Two

24 teams in the English Conference

116 teams compete at various levels in English soccer.



The bottom three teams in in each league drop to the league beneath them. The top two teams in each league are automatically promoted and teams 3, 4, 5, and 6 play a semi-final, final playoff to determine the third team to promote.



Additionally, you have 12 teams in the Scottish Premier League and 10 teams each in the Scottish Divisions One, Two and Three for another 42 teams playing on the isle of England.
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YNot
kitic77 wrote:

20 teams in the English Premier League

24 teams in the English League Championship

24 teams in the English League One

24 teams in the English League Two

24 teams in the English Conference

116 teams compete at various levels in English soccer.



The bottom three teams in in each league drop to the league beneath them. The top two teams in each league are automatically promoted and teams 3, 4, 5, and 6 play a semi-final, final playoff to determine the third team to promote.



Additionally, you have 12 teams in the Scottish Premier League and 10 teams each in the Scottish Divisions One, Two and Three for another 42 teams playing on the isle of England.


FBS1

SEC

Big Ten

PAC 12

Big XII (+2 teams)



FBS2

ACC

MWC (+1-2 teams)

Big East (+4 teams)

C-USA



FCS1

WAC (+6-7 teams)

MAC

Sun Belt

Who cares?



FCS2

Who cares?



After the first year, I would see schools like Washington State, Vanderbilt, and Indiana dropping to FBS2 (an potentially to FCS the next year!). You would likely see mostly BSU, TCU and ACC teams vying for the jump up to FBS1...that could get interesting....
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SpiffCoug
YNot wrote:
FBS1

SEC

Big Ten

PAC 12

Big XII (+2 teams)



FBS2

ACC

MWC (+1-2 teams)

Big East (+4 teams)

C-USA



FCS1

WAC (+6-7 teams)

MAC

Sun Belt

Who cares?



FCS2

Who cares?



After the first year, I would see schools like Washington State, Vanderbilt, and Indiana dropping to FBS2 (an potentially to FCS the next year!). You would likely see mostly BSU, TCU and ACC teams vying for the jump up to FBS1...that could get interesting....

It would get very fun. And think of the battles the bottom teams would play. What if UNLV and CSU were playing in the final game of the year and the loser gets relegated. Think of the motivation that provides to teams that are of the conference championship picture.
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Mars
kitic77 wrote:
20 teams in the English Premier League

24 teams in the English League Championship

24 teams in the English League One

24 teams in the English League Two

24 teams in the English Conference

116 teams compete at various levels in English soccer.

5 separate divisions? Ugh.
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SpiffCoug
Mars wrote:
20 teams in the English Premier League

24 teams in the English League Championship

24 teams in the English League One

24 teams in the English League Two

24 teams in the English Conference

116 teams compete at various levels in English soccer.

5 separate divisions? Ugh.

They don't play soccer for three months like we play football here in the states. Each team plays each team twice - home and away.



I was just showing you that there are 120 teams playing soccer in England, which you appeared to doubt.
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byufan4ever
I like the relegation idea as well as I imagine that any soccer fan would. Non-soccer fans aka soccer-haters will surely all scoff at the idea, but it really is a great idea.



Another idea is to form a Champions League of sorts. Winner of each conference goes into a Champions League next season. Every team in the Champions League plays each other once with a conference championship game that determines the winner. No controversy about teams deserving to be there or having sufficient SOS.



I wrote up the entire idea a few years back. Too long to post here, but I've got it in Word format if anyone's interested.
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byufan4ever
Ok, I decided to post it anyway. I wrote this in 2007 using the 2006 season and rankings so take that into consideration:



COLLEGE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS LEAGUE



There have been many suggestions on how to improve the BCS and come out with a clear cut champion that everyone can be happy with. An issue also exists that any time the SEC champion does not get rewarded with a trip to the championship game their fans complain about how other teams have better records only because they play in “inferior” conferences.



I have determined that the solution comes from European soccer and their Champions League. In European soccer each country has its own league (comparable to a conference) in which the 18-20 teams all play each other twice meaning that they all have the exact same schedule. At the end of the season, the top 3 or 4 teams from each league will be rewarded by being able to play in the Champions League the following season. This makes virtually every game in the Champions League full of talent and fun to watch. The winner of the Champions League is indisputably the best team in Europe. After all, they’ve beaten the best teams from the other countries.



My idea is similar to that of Europe’s Champions League. Take the best 13 or 14 teams from college football and put them in a conference together. Whoever wins is the undisputable champion. The teams in this College Football Champions League would change from year to year depending on how the teams actually perform. Playing well one year enables you to be able to participate in the Champions League the following year. I have come up with four different methods on how this super league of sorts could work (in the order that I thought of them):



Method 1

SEC Champion Florida

SEC Bonus Arkansas

Big East Champion Louisville

Big Ten Champion Ohio St.

Big 12 Champion Oklahoma

PAC-10 Champion USC

ACC Champion Wake Forest

WAC Champion Boise St.

MW Champion BYU

Conf USA Champ Houston

Mid American Champ Cent. Michigan

Sun Belt Champ Middle Tenn. St.

Independent Champ Notre Dame

Highest Ranked Team LSU



If the Champions League were starting in 2007 then the league would include the champion from each of the 11 conferences plus the best Independent team. There would also be a SEC bonus slot since the SEC is the most competitive conference and would deserve to have two teams represented in the Champions League. This bonus slot would be awarded to the runner up in the conference title game. The idea of the Champions League is that every team will play each other once during the regular season and then the teams with the two best records face off in the championship game. With 13 teams, that would mean a 12 game regular season. As an option, a 14th team, which would be the highest ranked non-champion (LSU), could also be added to the league creating a 13 game regular season.



At the end of the regular season the two best teams face off while all other teams play a “bowl” type game against their conference champion from the “regular” league to determine who gets to play in the Champions League the following season. For example, with the above listed teams, let’s say USC and LSU play in this super championship game. That would mean Louisville would play the Big East champion from the regular season, say West Virginia. The winner of that game gets to play in the Champions League the next season while the loser plays in the regular league. The same happens for each conference. In this example the SEC has two teams not in the championship game, Florida and Arkansas. So, one would play the regular SEC champion and the other would play the regular PAC-10 champion since USC would already be having their bowl game by playing in the championship (both teams playing in the championship game get to stay in the Champions League regardless of who wins).



As a different example, let’s say, just for the heck of it, that BYU and Houston meet in the championship game. Their respective regular conference champions would then play one of the 3 SEC teams with the third SEC team obviously playing their own regular season champion.



This method would give us 7 very good bowl games as each team will really have something to be playing for. Also, we will have an obvious champion and it will also be obvious as to which conferences are strongest.





Method 2

SEC Champion Florida

SEC Runner Up Arkansas

Big East Champion Louisville

Big East Runner Up W. Virginia

Big Ten Champion Ohio St.

Big Ten Runner Up Michigan

Big 12 Champion Oklahoma

Big 12 Runner Up Nebraska

PAC-10 Champion USC

PAC-10 Runner Up California

ACC Champion Wake Forest

ACC Runner Up Georgia Tech

Best Non BCS Team Boise St.

2nd Best Non BCS Team Notre Dame



Method 2 shows what the Champions League would look like in 2007 if it included the champion and runner up from each of the “BCS” conferences. For the conferences that don’t have an actual conference title game I chose the two highest ranked (from my own personal rankings of all 119 teams) teams in that conference. That gives us 12 teams with the 13th being the best non BCS team, which would be Boise St. The optional 14th team would be the second best (highest ranked) non BCS team (Notre Dame).



Again, everyone would play each other once with the two best teams going to the championship game, but this time only the winner staying in the league the following season. The loser of the championship game plus the other 12 teams will have to play a “bowl” game against their counterparts in the “regular” league with the winner playing in the Champions league the next year. It is necessary for the loser to play again in order to preserve the layout of two teams from each conference. However, the conference of the overall champion will only be able to have one team possibly advance.



For example, let’s say Florida beats Ohio St. in the championship game. Ohio St. will have to play again in order to stay in the Championship League. They would play against either the champion or runner up from the Big Ten in the regular league. Since they were the better of the two Big Ten teams in the Championship League, then they could be rewarded by playing the runner up from the regular league. Likewise, if during the regular season Georgia Tech had a better record than Wake Forest, they would play the ACC runner up from the regular league while Wake Forest would play the champion. Since Florida won the championship, only one team from the SEC in the regular league (the champion) would have the opportunity to play a bowl game to get in to the Champions League. The two non BCS teams would not play teams from their own conference, but instead the two best non BCS teams from the regular league.



This method would give the Champions League better overall competition from top to bottom, but the conference who wins the championship is also penalized because only one team from the regular conference can move up whereas the other conferences could have two each.



My Rankings - Method 3 AP Rankings - Method 4

1 Florida 1 Florida

2 Ohio St. 2 Ohio St.

3 LSU 3 LSU

4 Michigan 4 USC

5 USC 5 Boise St.

6 Boise St. 6 Louisville

7 Louisville 7 Wisconsin

8 Wisconsin 8 Michigan

9 Notre Dame 9 Auburn

10 Oklahoma 10 W. Virginia

11 W. Virginia 11 Oklahoma

12 Arkansas 12 Rutgers

13 Auburn 13 Texas

14 Tennessee 14 California



Methods 3 and 4 go together because they are the same idea, but are using different rankings. The idea is that if the Champions League were starting in 2007, the top 14 ranked teams from 2006 go into the league, regardless of conference. The left half of the above table shows my own final rankings (I rank all 119 teams every week) from 2006 while the right half shows what the league would look like if the final AP rankings were used. The only difference for this specific year would be that Notre Dame, Arkansas, and Tennessee would be traded for Rutgers, Texas, and California. Of course, the BCS rankings could be used as well, but we’ll just stick with these. Comparing the two above rankings, the following table shows how each conference would be represented:



Conference Method 3 Method 4

SEC 5 3

Big Ten 3 3

PAC-10 1 2

WAC 1 1

Big East 2 3

Independent 1 0

Big 12 1 2

ACC 0 0

MW 0 0

Conf USA 0 0

Mid American 0 0

Sun Belt 0 0



As with the other methods, every team would play each other once with the top two teams playing for the championship. The remaining 12 teams would play in relegation/promotion type bowl games against the top 12 teams from the regular league. The best team not to make it to the championship game would play the #12 regular league team with the next best team playing the #11 ranked regular league team and so forth with the worst team in the Champions League playing the #1 ranked team from the regular league.



With these methods there is no “easy in” such as winning a weak conference. Each conference will be represented differently each year; it just depends on how the teams perform during the regular season and if they can win their bowl game to either stay in the Champions League or gain access to it. There really would be no dispute as to which conferences are best. For example, regardless of which ranking system is used, the ACC is clearly the weakest of the BCS conferences as they had no teams in the top 14 last year and would not be represented in the Champions League. And if the Champions League Final did not have any SEC teams in it, their fans would not be able to complain about overrated teams in soft conferences making it to the championship game.
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redneckjedi
The problem here is that a team that may be worthy of the champions league when they win their conference may not be the next year when they are actually in it. For example, compare Utah 2004 to Utah 2005. They went from top 10 to .500.
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SpiffCoug
redneckjedi wrote:
The problem here is that a team that may be worthy of the champions league when they win their conference may not be the next year when they are actually in it. For example, compare Utah 2004 to Utah 2005. They went from top 10 to .500.

What if the champions league was played in the spring instead?
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redneckjedi
kitic77 wrote:
The problem here is that a team that may be worthy of the champions league when they win their conference may not be the next year when they are actually in it. For example, compare Utah 2004 to Utah 2005. They went from top 10 to .500.

What if the champions league was played in the spring instead?


If we're okay with that, then let's just do a playoff in the spring instead! We'll do it in, say, March, and call it March Madness.



Wait, what's that? There already IS a March Madness? Huh. Weird.
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SpiffCoug
redneckjedi wrote:
redneckjedi wrote:
The problem here is that a team that may be worthy of the champions league when they win their conference may not be the next year when they are actually in it. For example, compare Utah 2004 to Utah 2005. They went from top 10 to .500.

What if the champions league was played in the spring instead?


If we're okay with that, then let's just do a playoff in the spring instead! We'll do it in, say, March, and call it March Madness.



Wait, what's that? There already IS a March Madness? Huh. Weird.

But think of the money college football could make in March and April? With a Champions League tournament. You could even just take the top four teams from the previous fall/winter. They get two weeks of camp in March and then play home-and-home with the other three teams. Best record wins.
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redneckjedi
kitic77 wrote:
kitic77 wrote:
The problem here is that a team that may be worthy of the champions league when they win their conference may not be the next year when they are actually in it. For example, compare Utah 2004 to Utah 2005. They went from top 10 to .500.

What if the champions league was played in the spring instead?


If we're okay with that, then let's just do a playoff in the spring instead! We'll do it in, say, March, and call it March Madness.



Wait, what's that? There already IS a March Madness? Huh. Weird.

But think of the money college football could make in March and April? With a Champions League tournament. You could even just take the top four teams from the previous fall/winter. They get two weeks of camp in March and then play home-and-home with the other three teams. Best record wins.


Sweet - where do I sign? :)
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