Day 2 QB Battle

One TD by the offense today. A TD pass from Nelson to DiLuigi. Here were the stats:



Day 2 Stats:

Heaps: 6-9-0-47, 0 TD, 110.53 rating, 66.7%complete.

Nelson: 10-17-0-139, 1 TD, 146.92 rating, 58.8%complete.



Fall Camp Stats:

Heaps: 14-22-0-161, 2TD, 155.11 rating, 63.6% complete, 2 TD drives, 1 FG drive.

Nelson: 15-25-0-188, 1 TD, 136.37 rating, 60.0% complete, 2 TD drives, 2 FG drives.



I'm giving both passing and scoring edges to Nelson today.



I've devised a little scoring system based on whom I'm giving scoring and passing edges to. Winning the passing day is worth 1 point; winning the scoring day is worth 1.25 points. I'm putting just a tad more emphasis on scoring, since that's what the offense needs to do.



So through two days, both QBs have 2.25 points.



If BYU were playing Washington tomorrow, I would name Heaps, since although Riley was better today, he wasn't as good as Jake was on Saturday.

Let it be noted that according to Jay Drew's Twitter, Nelson was gonig against the 3rd string defense for at least part of his reps.

Were the two qb's throwing against the same defense?

Both went against various defenses. But looks like Nelson got at least one shot against the thirds. We don't know if he was also throwing to the third team receivers either. There's probably a lot of movement on the "teams" at this stage.



QBs just need reps right now wherever they can get them. There was also a fumble on one of Riley's series, so he stayed out there, I imagine the defense changed but the offense didn't at that point.

ALso take note one of Harmon's tweets about Heaps:



"Heaps best pass of the day came in 7 on 7 when he threw a 60-yard bomb to Luke Ashworth. Didn't count in stats cause not in team situ"



Chambers also dropped a few today.

urroner wrote:
Were the two qb's throwing against the same defense?

Mythranor wrote:
Let it be noted that according to Jay Drew's Twitter, Nelson was gonig against the 3rd string defense for at least part of his reps.

Because of the so many unknown variables, I think it fun to track the stats, but in the end I think that any of our speculation is just that. At least we have something to talk about in the off season.

Jan did say that Nelson threw against the 3rd defense several times. The TD to JJ was against the 3rd's he said. Jake got the first series and had several against the one's.

dmcougar wrote:
Jan did say that Nelson threw against the 3rd defense several times. The TD to JJ was against the 3rd's he said. Jake got the first series and had several against the one's.

Wrubell noted that Nelsons TD pass was a short one where JJ ran the majority of the yards.

The only touchdown scored in the "team" sessions of practice came on a 60-yard connection from Riley Nelson to J.J. DiLuigi, who ran open down the seam and took it the distance, with most of the yards coming after the catch.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=498&sid=11929463

I think the coaches will put a lot of weight into completion %. seems like Nelson should be getting consistently better than 60% in practice situations or it would be surprising to see him named the starter. This offense fuels off high percentage qbs and less Than 60% in practice will be death knell for Nelson if it doesn't improve soon.



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Well at least they have said something about why the reps aren't even. "They are finishing off where they were at spring"?... what does that mean exactly? I guess it is going to force Lark or Munns to excel at the one pass they get to throw a day, to earn a second pass attempt two days later when they get to throw the ball again. Hard to imagine them getting in any sort of groove getting one series every other day.



Interesting to see that Nelson got most of the reps today, Tomorrow may be telling if Nelson continues to get the bulk of the reps, and/or lark and munns still don't get to throw.



I agree though, 60% completion in pratice against the 2nd-3rd string doesn't sound too promising.

dmcougar wrote:
Jan did say that Nelson threw against the 3rd defense several times. The TD to JJ was against the 3rd's he said. Jake got the first series and had several against the one's.

Bronco could also be trying to give the third string defense some work. Put in Nelson and some core receivers and see what the third stringers can do.

Mars wrote:




Heaps looks more every day like he has the starting position locked up. He threw exclusively against the 1s today, while Nelson split time against the 2s and 3s.

This seems to be slowly becoming the pattern. Maybe I'm reading too far into things, but if the coaches keep having Heaps go up against the 1st stringers and Riley against the 2nd/3rd stringers...