This Utah Fan's Avatar Says it All...

one of the Yewt fans over on MWCboard has the following quote underneath his avatar...



"I pretty much just sit around and hate BYU all day. Occasionally I will watch the Utes and the Rebels."



I read that and thought, "there you have it: that says it all about Yewt 'fans.' They hate BYU more than they care about liking their own team."

And what will happen to Utah's fan base if they don't play us for a couple of years? They might lose them all.

The more I think about it, the more I want he rivalry game to go away for 2-3 years. Let's see how the Utes do without having BYU to hitch itself to. Take off those training wheels and let's see what they do on their own. We all know BYU will do just fine without Utah. But Utah needs BYU, or at least has, to get pumped, create fan interest, etc. Coach McBride used BYU, Urban certainly did, and Coach Whit does as well.



Let's let Utah swim in the PAC-12 a few years and see how they do, then perhaps see about renewing the rivalry game again. I can live without it, that is for sure.

Why does Utah need BYU? I don't think either of them "needs" the other. Utah holds a decisive advantage in the over all series record. Utah has done what no BSC school has done this decade. They went undefeated twice. Plus they added a Fiesta bowl victory and a Sugar Bowl victory, both blow outs. Adding a full Pac-10 schedule will increase Utah national exposure. I'm not trying to be a Utah cheerleader but I don't get the comment.

Tell me about Utah football in 1970? 1980? 1990? How about 1995? 2000? 2002? Basically, Utah had 1 game to live for pretty much every year from the 1970's until the year 2004. And coincidentally enough, the rise of Utah coincided with the worst football BYU has played in 40 years. And since BYU started to get it back together, won 3 of 4. Seriously, Utah needs BYU because its fans need something to latch onto to locally to hate, and it will have none of that in the PAC-12. No rival, not 1. Utah will be just another game for every other team in that conference, and there will be no passion, no emotion, nothing. new sensations, but let me know how that goes year 2 after it is gone. Which takes us back to Utah football pre-2000. Not a fun place for Ute fan, is it.

Eastern wrote:
Why does Utah need BYU? I don't think either of them "needs" the other. Utah holds a decisive advantage in the over all series record. Utah has done what no BSC school has done this decade. They went undefeated twice. Plus they added a Fiesta bowl victory and a Sugar Bowl victory, both blow outs. Adding a full Pac-10 schedule will increase Utah national exposure. I'm not trying to be a Utah cheerleader but I don't get the comment.

Only two Division I-A programs have managed to reach 10+ wins in football and manage to reach the NCAA tournament in basketball 4 consecutive years. Those two programs? BYU and Texas.





BYU has as many top 15 finishes in the last 4 years (3 of them) as Utah does in the ENTIRE 100+ year history of the program.



Utah has 6 top 25 finishes in the entire 100+ year history of the program (that's two more than BYU has had in the last 4 years). BYU's also had 17 top 25 finishes since 1977 (or better than 50% of the time does BYU finished ranked...including finishing ranked the last 4 years consecutively).





Utah has five ten+ win seasons in the history of program. BYU has had 4 consecutive ten win seasons...and 16 of them since 1979.



BYU has more 11+ win seasons in the last 4 years (3 of them) then Utah has had in over 100+ years (two total in 100+ years of playing football for the Utah program).

Utah has three outright conference titles since 1957 (BYU has two in the last 4 years). BYU has 22 conference championships since 1976.

Utah has finished ahead of BYU in the conference standings just one time in the last 5 years in football (and just five times total in the last 40 years). BYU has finished ahead of Utah outright 4 times in the last 5 years and over 30 times in the last 40 years Over 30, that's rediculous!!

In the last 5 years, Utah has finished in the MWC conference as follows: 6th, 4th, 3rd, 1st, 3rd. BYU has finished as follows; 2nd, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 2nd.

BYU has won 3 of the last 4 and 29 of the last 41 in this series.



But yeah, you did win one good game… Congratulations.



Do you want to stay on football, I have more... Or should we talk about Basketball? Your pick.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

Why does Utah need BYU? I don't think either of them "needs" the other. Utah holds a decisive advantage in the over all series record. Utah has done what no BSC school has done this decade. They went undefeated twice. Plus they added a Fiesta bowl victory and a Sugar Bowl victory, both blow outs. Adding a full Pac-10 schedule will increase Utah national exposure. I'm not trying to be a Utah cheerleader but I don't get the comment.

Only two Division I-A programs have managed to reach 10+ wins in football and manage to reach the NCAA tournament in basketball 4 consecutive years. Those two programs? BYU and Texas.





BYU has as many top 15 finishes in the last 4 years (3 of them) as Utah does in the ENTIRE 100+ year history of the program.



Utah has 6 top 25 finishes in the entire 100+ year history of the program (that's two more than BYU has had in the last 4 years). BYU's also had 17 top 25 finishes since 1977 (or better than 50% of the time does BYU finished ranked...including finishing ranked the last 4 years consecutively).





Utah has five ten+ win seasons in the history of program. BYU has had 4 consecutive ten win seasons...and 16 of them since 1979.



BYU has more 11+ win seasons in the last 4 years (3 of them) then Utah has had in over 100+ years (two total in 100+ years of playing football for the Utah program).

Utah has three outright conference titles since 1957 (BYU has two in the last 4 years). BYU has 22 conference championships since 1976.

Utah has finished ahead of BYU in the conference standings just one time in the last 5 years in football (and just five times total in the last 40 years). BYU has finished ahead of Utah outright 4 times in the last 5 years and over 30 times in the last 40 years Over 30, that's rediculous!!

In the last 5 years, Utah has finished in the MWC conference as follows: 6th, 4th, 3rd, 1st, 3rd. BYU has finished as follows; 2nd, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 2nd.

BYU has won 3 of the last 4 and 29 of the last 41 in this series.



But yeah, you did win one good game… Congratulations.



Do you want to stay on football, I have more... Or should we talk about Basketball? Your pick.

Did you just cut and paste this from "our" thread? ;)

MTM wrote:

Eastern wrote:
Why does Utah need BYU? I don't think either of them "needs" the other. Utah holds a decisive advantage in the over all series record. Utah has done what no BSC school has done this decade. They went undefeated twice. Plus they added a Fiesta bowl victory and a Sugar Bowl victory, both blow outs. Adding a full Pac-10 schedule will increase Utah national exposure. I'm not trying to be a Utah cheerleader but I don't get the comment.

Only two Division I-A programs have managed to reach 10+ wins in football and manage to reach the NCAA tournament in basketball 4 consecutive years. Those two programs? BYU and Texas.





BYU has as many top 15 finishes in the last 4 years (3 of them) as Utah does in the ENTIRE 100+ year history of the program.



Utah has 6 top 25 finishes in the entire 100+ year history of the program (that's two more than BYU has had in the last 4 years). BYU's also had 17 top 25 finishes since 1977 (or better than 50% of the time does BYU finished ranked...including finishing ranked the last 4 years consecutively).





Utah has five ten+ win seasons in the history of program. BYU has had 4 consecutive ten win seasons...and 16 of them since 1979.



BYU has more 11+ win seasons in the last 4 years (3 of them) then Utah has had in over 100+ years (two total in 100+ years of playing football for the Utah program).

Utah has three outright conference titles since 1957 (BYU has two in the last 4 years). BYU has 22 conference championships since 1976.

Utah has finished ahead of BYU in the conference standings just one time in the last 5 years in football (and just five times total in the last 40 years). BYU has finished ahead of Utah outright 4 times in the last 5 years and over 30 times in the last 40 years Over 30, that's rediculous!!

In the last 5 years, Utah has finished in the MWC conference as follows: 6th, 4th, 3rd, 1st, 3rd. BYU has finished as follows; 2nd, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 2nd.

BYU has won 3 of the last 4 and 29 of the last 41 in this series.



But yeah, you did win one good game… Congratulations.



Do you want to stay on football, I have more... Or should we talk about Basketball? Your pick.

Did you just cut and paste this from "our" thread? ;)

Umm, almost... :)

Eastern wrote:
Why does Utah need BYU? I don't think either of them "needs" the other. Utah holds a decisive advantage in the over all series record. Utah has done what no BSC school has done this decade. They went undefeated twice. Plus they added a Fiesta bowl victory and a Sugar Bowl victory, both blow outs. Adding a full Pac-10 schedule will increase Utah national exposure. I'm not trying to be a Utah cheerleader but I don't get the comment.

Not a "Utah cheerleader"???? Does the term "Utah troll" fit better???? Come on!!! Drop the shenanigans.

:crazy:

Ddawg wrote:

Why does Utah need BYU? I don't think either of them "needs" the other. Utah holds a decisive advantage in the over all series record. Utah has done what no BSC school has done this decade. They went undefeated twice. Plus they added a Fiesta bowl victory and a Sugar Bowl victory, both blow outs. Adding a full Pac-10 schedule will increase Utah national exposure. I'm not trying to be a Utah cheerleader but I don't get the comment.

Not a "Utah cheerleader"???? Does the term "Utah troll" fit better???? Come on!!! Drop the shenanigans.

:crazy:

Ban the Troll!!

1967cougar wrote:

Eastern wrote:
Why does Utah need BYU? I don't think either of them "needs" the other. Utah holds a decisive advantage in the over all series record. Utah has done what no BSC school has done this decade. They went undefeated twice. Plus they added a Fiesta bowl victory and a Sugar Bowl victory, both blow outs. Adding a full Pac-10 schedule will increase Utah national exposure. I'm not trying to be a Utah cheerleader but I don't get the comment.

Not a "Utah cheerleader"???? Does the term "Utah troll" fit better???? Come on!!! Drop the shenanigans.

:crazy:

Ban the Troll!!

Poor guy! Don't squash him for being a
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until he proves his obsessive time in the cave.



Listen, it's not like they invited the Utes over BYU in 1985 BEFORE they had their BCS wins or 30% of their conference/ 10-win seasons . They've had some very good recent years and bowl success. They were the first non-BCS bowl-buster and the first to break the dreaded "mid-major" title they love to throw in our faces now. I'll Give them that.



but then give me MY MWC auto-qualifier BCS bowl in two years time which will be quite a bit easier without a "middling-pac-12" team in the way. and someone should tell the Utes to stop focusing on the Las Vegas bowl and that this was a BAD way of getting there.

Actually I have deep connections to both BYU and Utah over several generations. But that aside, nobody cares about MWC or WAC championships. You have to ask yourselves what gets a program noticed enough so other conferences want them? What matters is what you do on the national stage. How many Orange Bowls has BYU won or even been in? How about Sugar Bowls? Fiesta Bowls? Nobody cares about Holiday bowl wins or Las Vegas Bowl wins. BYU won the NC in 1984. This is not an insult but that NC isn't widely respected outside Provo. Utah has simply turned heads on the national stage more than BYU.



You guys can play the religion card and make excuses for why Utah got the invite but it would be nice to see a BYU fan take the high road for once. Most people don't give a crap if a school is affiliated with a specific religion. I'm Mormon. But it's embarrassing when BYU zealots act like snotty whining teenagers who don't get their way.

Eastern wrote:
Actually I have deep connections to both BYU and Utah over several generations. But that aside, nobody cares about MWC or WAC championships. You have to ask yourselves what gets a program noticed enough so other conferences want them? What matters is what you do on the national stage. How many Orange Bowls has BYU won or even been in? How about Sugar Bowls? Fiesta Bowls? Nobody cares about Holiday bowl wins or Las Vegas Bowl wins. BYU won the NC in 1984. This is not an insult but that NC isn't widely respected outside Provo. Utah has simply turned heads on the national stage more than BYU.



You guys can play the religion card and make excuses for why Utah got the invite but it would be nice to see a BYU fan take the high road for once. Most people don't give a crap if a school is affiliated with a specific religion. I'm Mormon. But it's embarrassing when BYU zealots act like snotty whining teenagers who don't get their way.

This simply not true. If it was about football accomplishments or "turning heads on the national stage more than BYU" then Colorado would not be going to the PAC-10. This was about capturing television markets. Colorado "delivers" the Denver market. The PAC-10 had to choose between BYU and Utah to capture the SLC market.



BYU is still the dominant ratings force in the SLC market, but their religious affiliation it what turned off the PAC-10 high brows.

Eastern wrote:
How many Orange Bowls has BYU won or even been in? How about Sugar Bowls? Fiesta Bowls? Nobody cares about Holiday bowl wins or Las Vegas Bowl wins. BYU won the NC in 1984. This is not an insult but that NC isn't widely respected outside Provo. Utah has simply turned heads on the national stage more than BYU.

Not sure how deep your ties to BYU are when you ask this question. BYU fans know that BYU played in the Fiesta Bowl in 1974, and turned down an invitation to the Fiesta Bowl in 1977 because it was being played on Suynday.... So BYU has 2 Fiesta Bowl invites and Utah has one.....

BlueIsBetter wrote:

Why does Utah need BYU? I don't think either of them "needs" the other. Utah holds a decisive advantage in the over all series record. Utah has done what no BSC school has done this decade. They went undefeated twice. Plus they added a Fiesta bowl victory and a Sugar Bowl victory, both blow outs. Adding a full Pac-10 schedule will increase Utah national exposure. I'm not trying to be a Utah cheerleader but I don't get the comment.

Only two Division I-A programs have managed to reach 10+ wins in football and manage to reach the NCAA tournament in basketball 4 consecutive years. Those two programs? BYU and Texas.





BYU has as many top 15 finishes in the last 4 years (3 of them) as Utah does in the ENTIRE 100+ year history of the program.



Utah has 6 top 25 finishes in the entire 100+ year history of the program (that's two more than BYU has had in the last 4 years). BYU's also had 17 top 25 finishes since 1977 (or better than 50% of the time does BYU finished ranked...including finishing ranked the last 4 years consecutively).





Utah has five ten+ win seasons in the history of program. BYU has had 4 consecutive ten win seasons...and 16 of them since 1979.



BYU has more 11+ win seasons in the last 4 years (3 of them) then Utah has had in over 100+ years (two total in 100+ years of playing football for the Utah program).

Utah has three outright conference titles since 1957 (BYU has two in the last 4 years). BYU has 22 conference championships since 1976.

Utah has finished ahead of BYU in the conference standings just one time in the last 5 years in football (and just five times total in the last 40 years). BYU has finished ahead of Utah outright 4 times in the last 5 years and over 30 times in the last 40 years Over 30, that's rediculous!!

In the last 5 years, Utah has finished in the MWC conference as follows: 6th, 4th, 3rd, 1st, 3rd. BYU has finished as follows; 2nd, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 2nd.

BYU has won 3 of the last 4 and 29 of the last 41 in this series.



But yeah, you did win one good game… Congratulations.



Do you want to stay on football, I have more... Or should we talk about Basketball? Your pick.

Yup. Yewtah had two good years... and beyond that? All Yewt fans can talk about is 2004 and 2008... geeze, those might as well be the only two years of college sports that ever existed according to them...

Eastern wrote:
Utah holds a decisive advantage in the over all series record.

Hey Eastern, do some research into how many of those games have been played in SLC and how many have been played in Provo. I think you'll find the explanation for your "decisive advantage" and that it has a dual meaning.



And why do people forget the '96 Cotton Bowl? That was a BCS game before there was a BCS system. So really Utah has a 2-1 advantage in prestigious bowls.

Eastern wrote:
Utah holds a decisive advantage in the over all series record.

Haha!! And Ute fans say that WE'RE living in the past!? LOL!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

BlueIsBetter wrote:

Why does Utah need BYU? I don't think either of them "needs" the other. Utah holds a decisive advantage in the over all series record. Utah has done what no BSC school has done this decade. They went undefeated twice. Plus they added a Fiesta bowl victory and a Sugar Bowl victory, both blow outs. Adding a full Pac-10 schedule will increase Utah national exposure. I'm not trying to be a Utah cheerleader but I don't get the comment.

Only two Division I-A programs have managed to reach 10+ wins in football and manage to reach the NCAA tournament in basketball 4 consecutive years. Those two programs? BYU and Texas.





BYU has as many top 15 finishes in the last 4 years (3 of them) as Utah does in the ENTIRE 100+ year history of the program.



Utah has 6 top 25 finishes in the entire 100+ year history of the program (that's two more than BYU has had in the last 4 years). BYU's also had 17 top 25 finishes since 1977 (or better than 50% of the time does BYU finished ranked...including finishing ranked the last 4 years consecutively).





Utah has five ten+ win seasons in the history of program. BYU has had 4 consecutive ten win seasons...and 16 of them since 1979.



BYU has more 11+ win seasons in the last 4 years (3 of them) then Utah has had in over 100+ years (two total in 100+ years of playing football for the Utah program).

Utah has three outright conference titles since 1957 (BYU has two in the last 4 years). BYU has 22 conference championships since 1976.

Utah has finished ahead of BYU in the conference standings just one time in the last 5 years in football (and just five times total in the last 40 years). BYU has finished ahead of Utah outright 4 times in the last 5 years and over 30 times in the last 40 years Over 30, that's rediculous!!

In the last 5 years, Utah has finished in the MWC conference as follows: 6th, 4th, 3rd, 1st, 3rd. BYU has finished as follows; 2nd, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 2nd.

BYU has won 3 of the last 4 and 29 of the last 41 in this series.



But yeah, you did win one good game… Congratulations.



Do you want to stay on football, I have more... Or should we talk about Basketball? Your pick.

Can we get this printed on a t-shirt or something? I love it!

CannonCougar85 wrote:

Utah holds a decisive advantage in the over all series record.

Hey Eastern, do some research into how many of those games have been played in SLC and how many have been played in Provo. I think you'll find the explanation for your "decisive advantage" and that it has a dual meaning.



And why do people forget the '96 Cotton Bowl? That was a BCS game before there was a BCS system. So really Utah has a 2-1 advantage in prestigious bowls.

I can't remember the exact number, but the series has only been alternating home sites since 1972. So for the last 38 years, 19 have been in each stadium. But something like only 12 of the previous 50 were in Provo.

kitic77 wrote:

Eastern wrote:
Utah holds a decisive advantage in the over all series record.

Hey Eastern, do some research into how many of those games have been played in SLC and how many have been played in Provo. I think you'll find the explanation for your "decisive advantage" and that it has a dual meaning.



And why do people forget the '96 Cotton Bowl? That was a BCS game before there was a BCS system. So really Utah has a 2-1 advantage in prestigious bowls.

I can't remember the exact number, but the series has only been alternating home sites since 1972. So for the last 38 years, 19 have been in each stadium. But something like only 12 of the previous 50 were in Provo.

Ding Ding Ding!!!! That is correct. I don't remember the exact numbers either but it is something to that effect. Let's play 38 of the next 50 in Provo to make it fair. Think Utah would go for that?