The thing about Riley Nelson that can't be ignored

Lawboy wrote:
After the things Bronco has said, I expct to see 2 QB's play. Not sure which 2 yet. We assume it will be Nelson and Heaps, but what if it is Heaps and Munns? Or if Lark sneaks in? I think the one thing that is clear is that Bronco wants the competition at the position and will not tip his hand early because he wants the guys on edge competing for as long as possible. I suspect that by prep week for the UW game, the starter will be named, but the back-up will also get equal time.

WACoug wrote:
His senior year he threw 50 td's vs. 6 int's and ran for another 30 td's. I don't think that includes playoffs because I have heard that his final td #'s were more like 54 passing and 31 running. That is incredible production. You don't have that kind of success without a great deal of talent and play making ability.



http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/LV2kEbdfBUKvuuwnGxQS7Q/football-fall-05/stats-riley-nelson.htm



What concerns me is how his type of game translates to D1 college football. IF his limited history is any indicator, we can start to see the answer.



A lot of people compare him to Doman due to their physical similarities but we have to remember that Doman was a very prolific option QB in HS and then ran an option centered offense under Crowton.



I don't think it is really up for debate that Heaps' skill set translates better to the college game, and more specifically, to the BYU college game.



I will be extremely shocked if Heaps redshirts and because of that I fully believe that he will play. After the things Bronco has said this week I expect to see both Heaps and Nelson play and I think, like Bronco said needs to happen, it will become apparent to "all" involved who is the "starting" QB, and who is the "backup/situational" QB.

jonnylingo wrote:
I agree Bronco is being very politically correct here. He is not hinting that either has the nod just that its anybody's for the taking.

QuarterbackU wrote:

His senior year he threw 50 td's vs. 6 int's and ran for another 30 td's. I don't think that includes playoffs because I have heard that his final td #'s were more like 54 passing and 31 running. That is incredible production. You don't have that kind of success without a great deal of talent and play making ability.



http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/LV2kEbdfBUKvuuwnGxQS7Q/football-fall-05/stats-riley-nelson.htm



What concerns me is how his type of game translates to D1 college football. IF his limited history is any indicator, we can start to see the answer.



A lot of people compare him to Doman due to their physical similarities but we have to remember that Doman was a very prolific option QB in HS and then ran an option centered offense under Crowton.



I don't think it is really up for debate that Heaps' skill set translates better to the college game, and more specifically, to the BYU college game.



I will be extremely shocked if Heaps redshirts and because of that I fully believe that he will play. After the things Bronco has said this week I expect to see both Heaps and Nelson play and I think, like Bronco said needs to happen, it will become apparent to "all" involved who is the "starting" QB, and who is the "backup/situational" QB.

I think the production above is part of the reason Riley will not start at BYU. The BYU offense is all about spreading the ball around to 8 different players. There is no doubt Riley could jump in a be a start and most likely have 1000 yards rushing and 10 rushing TD's as well but that is not what we are doing here at BYU. That's why most people choose to ignore his outrageous HS statistics, because it just doesn't mesh with BYU's offensive or team philosophy. Riley Nelson in a BYU uniform makes no sense to me at all. Sure he can come in and run the option/wildcat type of formations but we all know he wants to be a starting QB and that doesn't work for BYU.

QuarterbackU wrote:

His senior year he threw 50 td's vs. 6 int's and ran for another 30 td's. I don't think that includes playoffs because I have heard that his final td #'s were more like 54 passing and 31 running. That is incredible production. You don't have that kind of success without a great deal of talent and play making ability.



http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/LV2kEbdfBUKvuuwnGxQS7Q/football-fall-05/stats-riley-nelson.htm

I think the production above is part of the reason Riley will not start at BYU. The BYU offense is all about spreading the ball around to 8 different players. There is no doubt Riley could jump in a be a start and most likely have 1000 yards rushing and 10 rushing TD's as well but that is not what we are doing here at BYU. That's why most people choose to ignore his outrageous HS statistics, because it just doesn't mesh with BYU's offensive or team philosophy. Riley Nelson in a BYU uniform makes no sense to me at all. Sure he can come in and run the option/wildcat type of formations but we all know he wants to be a starting QB and that doesn't work for BYU.

QuarterbackU wrote:
if Riley doesn't start over Jake Heaps then he's not made the right decision to come to BYU to PLAY football. If he's going to sit the bench for the next two years of his career then he made the wrong football decision.

QuarterbackU wrote:
if Riley doesn't start over Jake Heaps then he's not made the right decision to come to BYU to PLAY football. If he's going to sit the bench for the next two years of his career then he made the wrong football decision. He may have made the right decision when it comes to dating LDS women or having Brownies with a bunch of fat FHE sisters or spending his spare time at Seven Peaks but not about playing for BYU. Most of the reports suggest that everyone on the team and staff appreciate Riley's abilities but prefer a pocket passer. I believe that goes for most on this board as well. If Riley doesn't start with his freakish ability to run and create then he shouldn't have to come conservative, pass happy, pro style BYU.

kitic77 wrote:

if Riley doesn't start over Jake Heaps then he's not made the right decision to come to BYU to PLAY football. If he's going to sit the bench for the next two years of his career then he made the wrong football decision.

Agreed. If he doesn't win the job, he made a poor decision. He would have been the starter at USU last year and who knows, maybe he could have helped Coach Anderson up there turn things around.

allcoug wrote:
to add fuel to the fire - I believe the only reason we beat Utah last year is because Max FINALLY found his legs and scrambled when the situation was right (remember the first downs he got with his legs? - the offense started to open up once he did that). He won that game with his arm and his legs. The offense BYU runs, I believe, is better suited to a Steve Young type player (someone that is a pretty good passer but can also exploit the defense by running). I'm going to say that if Riley can prove to be a decent passer then he should be favored to start.

dmcougar wrote:
allcoug. Beg to differ. Max hardly won that game with his arm. Except for the game winner to Andrew George (a very risky pass), he was not throwing strikes. He ran because he couldnt throw, they were doubling on Pitta and also had pretty good coverage and that was about all Max had left was to run.

allcoug wrote:
he did finally tuck the ball and run, which I believe won the game for us. Just wish he would have tried more of this during the TCU and FSU games.

dmcougar wrote:
allcoug. Beg to differ. Max hardly won that game with his arm. Except for the game winner to Andrew George (a very risky pass), he was not throwing strikes. He ran because he couldnt throw, they were doubling on Pitta and also had pretty good coverage and that was about all Max had left was to run.

jonnylingo wrote:

allcoug. Beg to differ. Max hardly won that game with his arm. Except for the game winner to Andrew George (a very risky pass), he was not throwing strikes. He ran because he couldnt throw, they were doubling on Pitta and also had pretty good coverage and that was about all Max had left was to run.

Ding Ding Ding. Utah was holding every receiver and tight end ... all night. there was nothing there. thank goodness for oneill chambers and his great returns. without him, that game was lost. we couldn't move the ball well at all.

kitic77 wrote:

dmcougar wrote:
allcoug. Beg to differ. Max hardly won that game with his arm. Except for the game winner to Andrew George (a very risky pass), he was not throwing strikes. He ran because he couldnt throw, they were doubling on Pitta and also had pretty good coverage and that was about all Max had left was to run.

Ding Ding Ding. Utah was holding every receiver and tight end ... all night. there was nothing there. thank goodness for oneill chambers and his great returns. without him, that game was lost. we couldn't move the ball well at all.

There Jonny, fixed your quoted.

redneckjedi wrote:
I don't get why Utah's DBs can be all over their man from snap to whistle without a flag (most of the time), but a little hand fighting from a BYU DB or WR gets a flag more often than not. :angry: