BYU receiver: "I will be shocked if Heaps doesn't start."

kitic77 wrote:
If you can't reveal the source, don't post it. It's the single biggest problem in journalism today: anonymous reporting.

Mars wrote:

If you can't reveal the source, don't post it. It's the single biggest problem in journalism today: anonymous reporting.

This is a message board, not a newspaper.



I, for one, appreciated the insider info.

kitic77 wrote:
If you can't reveal the source, don't post it. It's the single biggest problem in journalism today: anonymous reporting. It is nearly impossible to vet an anonymous source. If he doesn't want you to reveal who he is, then he shouldn't be telling you. As a journalist, it's lazy and poor journalism to not reveal your sources. This isn't Deep Throat and the President breaking the law. This is college football, his identity needn't be protected. If he's afraid his name might get back to the coaches, then he shouldn't be telling you in the first place.



And for the record, he basically said nothing. Certainly nothing more than we already know. He wouldn't be surprised if Riley starts, and he wouldn't be surprised if Heaps starts and he doesn't think Lark and Munns shouldn't be discounted. Gee, isn't that basically what we've all been saying. There are good arguments for just about every QB on the roster and no clear idea as to whom is going to start.



I'm very excited for Apo, you don't get offered by Texas at WR without serious speed and skills.

Mars wrote:

If you can't reveal the source, don't post it. It's the single biggest problem in journalism today: anonymous reporting.

This is a message board, not a newspaper.



I, for one, appreciated the insider info.

kitic77 wrote:
If you can't reveal the source, don't post it. It's the single biggest problem in journalism today: anonymous reporting. It is nearly impossible to vet an anonymous source. If he doesn't want you to reveal who he is, then he shouldn't be telling you. As a journalist, it's lazy and poor journalism to not reveal your sources. This isn't Deep Throat and the President breaking the law. This is college football, his identity needn't be protected. If he's afraid his name might get back to the coaches, then he shouldn't be telling you in the first place.



And for the record, he basically said nothing. Certainly nothing more than we already know. He wouldn't be surprised if Riley starts, and he wouldn't be surprised if Heaps starts and he doesn't think Lark and Munns shouldn't be discounted. Gee, isn't that basically what we've all been saying. There are good arguments for just about every QB on the roster and no clear idea as to whom is going to start.



I'm very excited for Apo, you don't get offered by Texas at WR without serious speed and skills.

ThrowbackBlue wrote:
I'm sorry my journalistic abilities don't live up to your standard. I wonder if you would also question the veracity of similar features found in every issue of ESPN the magazine where 'Player X' reveals insider info about teams, players, coaches, etc. in professional sports. This is an online forum for crying out loud-- take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt. I've been a longtime follower of cougarblue/cougar corner and I know all of the regular posters on here. I also despise cougarboard. I'm not out to prove anything and could care less if anybody believes what I post. For those that want info I'll gladly post more



By the way, my friend (or should we call him 'Reciever X'), never asked that I not reveal his name in fear of it getting back to coaches or administrators. Rather, I chose not to reveal out of respect for my friend.



Yes, I know what I posted is not a huge revelation on the situation, but believe it or not, players are still very political in discussing teammates and coaches even to friends (this has been the case of every friend I've had on the team over the years).



I will clarify a couple of points however.



In relation to Heaps being the best QB he's ever been around. He was saying this in the context of those attributes listed mechanics, footwork, motion, accuracy, etc. He wasn't saying Max Hall wasn't accurate or threw a bad ball by any means. He was saying that Jake does all of those things almost effortlessly and throws a very good ball as a result.



For the record, 'Reciever X' never played with John Beck but I will personally attest to John's accuracy and arm strength. I've played catch with Beck (both baseball and football) and I was almost scared to catch a ball from him it was coming so fast. One of the funniest/coolest things I've ever seen involved Beck's arm strength and accuracy. We were playing kickball for FHE, I was in left field, Beck was playing 3rd base. A girl came up to kick and laid a slow roller down the 3rd base line. Beck charged at it and I remember thinking there's no way we're getting her out. So Beck charges it, fields it cleanly, and throws a laser towards first. Not only did the ball hit the girl in stride right before she stepped on first, but the impact on her shoulder sent her flying to the ground. It was incredible!



Back to the issue at hand.....

My friend essentially told me all the receivers like catching passes from Jake the most, he's the best fit for our system, and he would like him throwing the ball behind center come gametime. He also liked the idea of Nelson rotating in on option or wildcat plays to mix things up a bit.



I forgot to mention. I asked if Jake is a prima donna or has any sense of entitlement to which he vehemently responded 'No, he's the exact opposite.' He said Jake knows he's good, and he's confident, but he's humble about it. He feels he's using his abilities to gain their trust, but never puts himself above his teammates and pretty much acts like any other freshman na dis eager to learn and earn his playing time.



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craigoscarson wrote:
The anonymous postings do stink of cougarboard and unless a poster is a trusted longtimer, it's not unreasonable to question an anonymous thread. You go down a slippery slope when you stop questioning every anonymous source that has an opinion or scoop on the internet. I dont' love them, and I rarely trust them.



However, sometimes it's hard not to share info gotten from players when you know that you cannot use their name for obvious reasons. I found myself in that quandary when the Manti Teo stuff went down. I had heard from 3 players, 2 of which were at the party, exactly what happened and obviously I couldn't name names; to make matters worse, rustyshacklenerd aka steed would not accept that without names.



I have not jumped into the fray much on the Heaps starting issue, because simply nothing we discuss will change the outcome. We simply dont' know enough about how either would actually handle washington and beyond (honestly is there much difference between high school in seattle and utah state? :whistle: ). My only point(s) on this ever was that #1 Heaps isnt' going anywhere; he and his family are literally fully invested; so stop worrying about him bolting if Riley gets the nod and #2 A redshirt would not hurt



I suspect that we might actually see a Detmer like freshman year where both players get snaps this season; considering the fact that Detmer parlayed that into a Heisman trophy later in his career, I don't see how that would be a bad thing.



Strap in and enjoy the ride; I expect it to be bumpy this year. but considering the last 4 seasons, I can handle 1 bumpy season to usher in a decade of dominance.

craigoscarson wrote:
I suspect that we might actually see a Detmer like freshman year where both players get snaps this season; considering the fact that Detmer parlayed that into a Heisman trophy later in his career, I don't see how that would be a bad thing.

kitic77 wrote:

I'm sorry my journalistic abilities don't live up to your standard. I wonder if you would also question the veracity of similar features found in every issue of ESPN the magazine where 'Player X' reveals insider info about teams, players, coaches, etc. in professional sports. This is an online forum for crying out loud-- take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt. I've been a longtime follower of cougarblue/cougar corner and I know all of the regular posters on here. I also despise cougarboard. I'm not out to prove anything and could care less if anybody believes what I post. For those that want info I'll gladly post more



By the way, my friend (or should we call him 'Reciever X'), never asked that I not reveal his name in fear of it getting back to coaches or administrators. Rather, I chose not to reveal out of respect for my friend.



Yes, I know what I posted is not a huge revelation on the situation, but believe it or not, players are still very political in discussing teammates and coaches even to friends (this has been the case of every friend I've had on the team over the years).



I will clarify a couple of points however.



In relation to Heaps being the best QB he's ever been around. He was saying this in the context of those attributes listed mechanics, footwork, motion, accuracy, etc. He wasn't saying Max Hall wasn't accurate or threw a bad ball by any means. He was saying that Jake does all of those things almost effortlessly and throws a very good ball as a result.



For the record, 'Reciever X' never played with John Beck but I will personally attest to John's accuracy and arm strength. I've played catch with Beck (both baseball and football) and I was almost scared to catch a ball from him it was coming so fast. One of the funniest/coolest things I've ever seen involved Beck's arm strength and accuracy. We were playing kickball for FHE, I was in left field, Beck was playing 3rd base. A girl came up to kick and laid a slow roller down the 3rd base line. Beck charged at it and I remember thinking there's no way we're getting her out. So Beck charges it, fields it cleanly, and throws a laser towards first. Not only did the ball hit the girl in stride right before she stepped on first, but the impact on her shoulder sent her flying to the ground. It was incredible!



Back to the issue at hand.....

My friend essentially told me all the receivers like catching passes from Jake the most, he's the best fit for our system, and he would like him throwing the ball behind center come gametime. He also liked the idea of Nelson rotating in on option or wildcat plays to mix things up a bit.



I forgot to mention. I asked if Jake is a prima donna or has any sense of entitlement to which he vehemently responded 'No, he's the exact opposite.' He said Jake knows he's good, and he's confident, but he's humble about it. He feels he's using his abilities to gain their trust, but never puts himself above his teammates and pretty much acts like any other freshman na dis eager to learn and earn his playing time.



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Thanks for the clarification, and sorry for coming off like a dink. And very much disdain ESPN's rampant use of anonymous sources. I wish they wouldn't.

kitic77 wrote:

I suspect that we might actually see a Detmer like freshman year where both players get snaps this season; considering the fact that Detmer parlayed that into a Heisman trophy later in his career, I don't see how that would be a bad thing.

For the record, Detmer split time as a RS FR.

Lawboy wrote:

craigoscarson wrote:
I suspect that we might actually see a Detmer like freshman year where both players get snaps this season; considering the fact that Detmer parlayed that into a Heisman trophy later in his career, I don't see how that would be a bad thing.

For the record, Detmer split time as a RS FR.

Heaps basically is a RS since he enrolled early and took part in spring ball, and had all summer long to work out with the guys. Not the case if was a true frosh, since he'd be just getting acquainted now with the team, workouts, etc.

kitic77 wrote:

kitic77 wrote:

I suspect that we might actually see a Detmer like freshman year where both players get snaps this season; considering the fact that Detmer parlayed that into a Heisman trophy later in his career, I don't see how that would be a bad thing.

For the record, Detmer split time as a RS FR.

Heaps basically is a RS since he enrolled early and took part in spring ball, and had all summer long to work out with the guys. Not the case if was a true frosh, since he'd be just getting acquainted now with the team, workouts, etc.

Yes and no. While he does have a spring ball behind him, an RS FR still has a fall camp before heading into his first year of playing. So a RS FR would have a fall, spring and fall camp of experience. Heaps will have a spring and a fall.

kitic77 wrote:
If you can't reveal the source, don't post it. It's the single biggest problem in journalism today: anonymous reporting. It is nearly impossible to vet an anonymous source. If he doesn't want you to reveal who he is, then he shouldn't be telling you. As a journalist, it's lazy and poor journalism to not reveal your sources.

CougarClaw wrote:
if anonymity keeps people talking, let them stay anonymous cause I'd rather hear the story and judge for myself.



and unfortunately just because someone is new doesn't mean they don't have news...that being said, newbies are always welcome to post with the understanding that most posts will be false until proven true. :P

northerncougar wrote:

If you can't reveal the source, don't post it. It's the single biggest problem in journalism today: anonymous reporting. It is nearly impossible to vet an anonymous source. If he doesn't want you to reveal who he is, then he shouldn't be telling you. As a journalist, it's lazy and poor journalism to not reveal your sources. This isn't Deep Throat and the President breaking the law. This is college football, his identity needn't be protected. If he's afraid his name might get back to the coaches, then he shouldn't be telling you in the first place.



And for the record, he basically said nothing. Certainly nothing more than we already know. He wouldn't be surprised if Riley starts, and he wouldn't be surprised if Heaps starts and he doesn't think Lark and Munns shouldn't be discounted. Gee, isn't that basically what we've all been saying. There are good arguments for just about every QB on the roster and no clear idea as to whom is going to start.



I'm very excited for Apo, you don't get offered by Texas at WR without serious speed and skills.

Journalism? Seriously? Let's get off the high horse and let this site be a message board. We aren't even close to journalism.



Anyone who is taking what is said here that seriously needs to relax just a bit.

CougarClaw wrote:

If you can't reveal the source, don't post it. It's the single biggest problem in journalism today: anonymous reporting. It is nearly impossible to vet an anonymous source. If he doesn't want you to reveal who he is, then he shouldn't be telling you. As a journalist, it's lazy and poor journalism to not reveal your sources.

Why should journalists require all their sources to be vetted by some kind of independent panel or review? Either a source knows what they're talking about or they don't and its a journalists job to figure that out. If there's some doubt as to what the source is saying, most journalists are ethically required to confirm the news from a coroborator.



I'm sure this will steer the topic way out of bounds but here I go anyways... Anonymous sources are REPLETE through journalism and they have existed ever since the printing press (Ben Franklin was a fan, every heard of "Silence DoGood"?). Just about every New York Times article I read is based on someone "not authorized to talk to the media" but presents vital and insider news that I enjoy reading about. I'd probably say that more than half of the articles printed on military topics today are based on sources that wish to remain anonymous. Are you saying you'd prefer that all news stories that someone won't comment on publically should vanish? That's a huge slice of the pie and not at all Constitutional role of the Press is supposed to play.



Sorry for the diatribe, it just kept coming - especially since I don't think any of us are journalists. :D if anonymity keeps people talking, let them stay anonymous cause I'd rather hear the story and judge for myself.



and unfortunately just because someone is new doesn't mean they don't have news...that being said, newbies are always welcome to post with the understanding that most posts will be false until proven true. :P