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Jake is not a Prima Donna

by jonnylingo · 7/19/2010

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jonnylingo
Despite the accolades, recognition and titles that have come his way, Heaps is devoid of any sense of entitlement, his former coaches say.



"He's very humble. He's the kind of kid that's going to deflect a lot of the attention that comes to the quarterback position to the rest of the team," says Steve Gervais, who coached Heaps when he was a sophomore at Skyline. "He understands that you're only as good as the guys who surround you. In his mind, it's not about Jake Heaps. It's about the rest of the team."



Barton says Heaps' team-first attitude will serve him well in his first season in BYU's program.



"Jake is respectful to the older guys. They'll see that he's all business and works hard," Barton says. "The coaches will be impressed with his maturity either way. Whatever the coaches decide — whether he redshirts or plays — he'll accept it



Heaps' former coaches say he possesses amazing recall — the ability to memorize plays and execute them. At the Elite 11 camp, he was honored for having the highest football IQ.



While Heaps possesses natural talent to be a quarterback, he's no prima donna, Taylor says. "His fundamentals are something he's worked tremendously hard at since he was a little kid. He'll try to outwork the next guy."


Words from coaches who actually know and have been around him, not washed up past players with no connections to anybody or other posters with only second hand knowledge of him "missing" voluntary practices. Jake is not a premadonna. I don't buy any of the crap that suggests otherwise. He is a competitor and there to get the starting position. I for one hope he starts this year. I have changed my position.



http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700049091/Born-to-play-BYU-freshman-Jake-Heaps-has-always-displayed-passion-for-playing-QB.html?pg=3
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byutx
I just hope he's not a PostMadonna, either. She's really gross.
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SpiffCoug
How many coaches who win state championships think their QB was a prima donna? How many QB coaches who get paid by a kid's family for six years are going to think he's a prima donna?



And wouldn't the "PreMadonna" be St. Anne - the Virgin Mary's mother?
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snoscythe
jonnylingo wrote:
I for one hope he starts this year. I have changed my position.


Changed your position? From what?



On March 25th, and again last week you posted pretty much the exact same opinion--that Jake isn't a prima donna:

http://cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2948&start=20#p22669

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3688&start=10#p29671



You also have been in the "Heaps for Starter Camp," though you have hedged that by proposing that he be phased in like Wynn at the :utard: :



http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3290&p=26273#p26273

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3274&p=26113#p26113

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3260&p=25946#p25946

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2941&p=22630#p22630

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2773&p=20742#p20742



I'm just not seeing where you have changed any position you haven't had since March....or is this just a fake-conversion hoping to sway fence-sitters?
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Italics
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BigCougsFan
snoscythe wrote:
I for one hope he starts this year. I have changed my position.


Changed your position? From what?



On March 25th, and again last week you posted pretty much the exact same opinion--that Jake isn't a prima donna:

http://cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2948&start=20#p22669

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3688&start=10#p29671



You also have been in the "Heaps for Starter Camp," though you have hedged that by proposing that he be phased in like Wynn at the :utard: :



http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3290&p=26273#p26273

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3274&p=26113#p26113

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3260&p=25946#p25946

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2941&p=22630#p22630

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2773&p=20742#p20742



I'm just not seeing where you have changed any position you haven't had since March....or is this just a fake-conversion hoping to sway fence-sitters?


LOL -- you must have Mondays off. This would take me awhile to read all the links you posted. If that won't take long... I'm sure researching and compiling it all took awhile!



Unless... You are the Amazing Sno?



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urroner
Who changed the title of the thread. I thought it was great and some of the responses were even better. :angry: :angry:
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Mars
jonnylingo wrote:
Words from coaches who actually know and have been around him, not washed up past players with no connections to anybody or other posters with only second hand knowledge of him "missing" voluntary practices. Jake is not a premadonna. I don't buy any of the crap that suggests otherwise. He is a competitor and there to get the starting position. I for one hope he starts this year.

Yup.



Especially since Riley Nelson was caught recently building a gingerbread house, in an attempt to catch and eat small children.
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Florwood
One QB to rule them all,

One QB to find them,

One QB to bring them all

and on the practice field bind them



Guess we'll find out who the ringer is next month...
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SpiffCoug
Florwood wrote:
Guess we'll find out who the ringer is next month...


I bet we don't find out until the month after next. ;)
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jonnylingo
snoscythe wrote:
I for one hope he starts this year. I have changed my position.


Changed your position? From what?



On March 25th, and again last week you posted pretty much the exact same opinion--that Jake isn't a prima donna:

http://cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2948&start=20#p22669

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3688&start=10#p29671



You also have been in the "Heaps for Starter Camp," though you have hedged that by proposing that he be phased in like Wynn at the :utard: :



http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3290&p=26273#p26273

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3274&p=26113#p26113

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3260&p=25946#p25946

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2941&p=22630#p22630

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2773&p=20742#p20742



I'm just not seeing where you have changed any position you haven't had since March....or is this just a fake-conversion hoping to sway fence-sitters?


wow, you have some time on your hands man. i was in the camp of freshman do better if they redshirt for a year. I am out of that camp as of today. i want him to start. While there are drawbacks to having him start, I think he should get going on his byu career right now. i have been leaning that way for while but rationally have thought it probably is not the best idea. I am finally off that fence.



Me refuting comments from people like you that he is a prima donna does not mean i think he should start anyhow. That is stretch of an inference. I have never stated that jake should start as your extensive research suggests.



I was simply pushing back on comments from people like you who make him out to be an entitled whimp who thinks he is God's gift to football. I just don't see facts to back that up. I see just the opposite. Your skipping practice problem with him was because he had the flew. the locker crap is purely that, crap. his past work ethic and actions suggest he is team player who puts in the work and time to be a winner. I just think those with that opinion have any legs to stand on.



That doesn't mean I think he should be the starter but if he has as good as Riley in getting the offense moving then I think we just go with him right away with riley getting some snaps as well on certain plays.



That said, I am happy with all our options at qb but if riley doesn't clearly beat out jake in terms of moving the offense then i think we should go with jake. If riley outplayed jake in fall camp and made some seperation then I would change my mind, but if the status quo remains, just give the fans what they want and start jake. If he is better then our guy that has more experience, then he is ready enough to play, even as a freshman.
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snoscythe
jonnylingo wrote:
jonnylingo wrote:
I for one hope he starts this year. I have changed my position.


Changed your position? From what?



On March 25th, and again last week you posted pretty much the exact same opinion--that Jake isn't a prima donna:

http://cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2948&start=20#p22669

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3688&start=10#p29671



You also have been in the "Heaps for Starter Camp," though you have hedged that by proposing that he be phased in like Wynn at the :utard: :



http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3290&p=26273#p26273

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3274&p=26113#p26113

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3260&p=25946#p25946

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2941&p=22630#p22630

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2773&p=20742#p20742



I'm just not seeing where you have changed any position you haven't had since March....or is this just a fake-conversion hoping to sway fence-sitters?


wow, you have some time on your hands man. i was in the camp of freshman do better if they redshirt for a year. I am out of that camp as of today. i want him to start. While there are drawbacks to having him start, I think he should get going on his byu career right now. i have been leaning that way for while but rationally have thought it probably is not the best idea. I am finally off that fence.



Me refuting comments from people like you that he is a prima donna does not mean i think he should start anyhow. That is stretch of an inference. I have never stated that jake should start as your extensive research suggests.



I was simply pushing back on comments from people like you who make him out to be an entitled whimp who thinks he is God's gift to football. I just don't see facts to back that up. I see just the opposite. Your skipping practice problem with him was because he had the flew. the locker crap is purely that, crap. his past work ethic and actions suggest he is team player who puts in the work and time to be a winner. I just think those with that opinion have any legs to stand on.



That doesn't mean I think he should be the starter but if he has as good as Riley in getting the offense moving then I think we just go with him right away with riley getting some snaps as well on certain plays.



That said, I am happy with all our options at qb but if riley doesn't clearly beat out jake in terms of moving the offense then i think we should go with jake. If riley outplayed jake in fall camp and made some seperation then I would change my mind, but if the status quo remains, just give the fans what they want and start jake. If he is better then our guy that has more experience, then he is ready enough to play, even as a freshman.


LOL. All I asked what what position you had changed. You have tried to muddy that, but you really just proved my point. You have the same position you had in March. You even tried to save yourself by claiming your change was "i want him to start" and claiming to be off the fence. I could have lived with that and moved on, but then you go and shoot yourself in the foot:



"That doesn't mean I think he should be the starter but if he has as good as Riley in getting the offense moving then I think we just go with him right away with riley getting some snaps as well on certain plays."



Which is exactly what you said in March. Nothing has changed. That's all I was pointing out--you have always had this position you claim is new--I've provided ample links to prove it.
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Brayden Green
Sno, chill out. And thanks for all you do.
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Ddawg
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa????????????

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Cougs_Rule
Italics--for the love of Jake or Riley or Pete, will you please go down to the video store and rent the movie "Highlander"?! "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE." Your one hit wonder keeps whiffing.



And Mr Lingo. You had me all the way up until you suggested that somehow Bronco ought to give the fans what they want and start Jake. Heaven help us if that is the coaching strategy.



And to all the self-annointed/self-appointed Jake-debasing, reality-crusaders--LAWBOY especially, GIVE IT A REST ALREADY with the whole right-sizing of fans expectations regarding Jake. Criminy!



Give it a rest or start a fricken pool of some sort and let folks guess what they are going to guess and quit trying to save all those who live for Jake starting.



Sheesh. The summer heat has baked some of your bored-out-of-your-goard noggins.
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Mars
dmcougar wrote:
Italics--for the love of Jake or Riley or Pete, will you please go down to the video store and rent the movie "Highlander"?! "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE." Your one hit wonder keeps whiffing.

The tv series works equally as well.
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jonnylingo
snoscythe wrote:
snoscythe wrote:
I for one hope he starts this year. I have changed my position.


Changed your position? From what?



On March 25th, and again last week you posted pretty much the exact same opinion--that Jake isn't a prima donna:

http://cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2948&start=20#p22669

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3688&start=10#p29671



You also have been in the "Heaps for Starter Camp," though you have hedged that by proposing that he be phased in like Wynn at the :utard: :



http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3290&p=26273#p26273

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3274&p=26113#p26113

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3260&p=25946#p25946

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2941&p=22630#p22630

http://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2773&p=20742#p20742



I'm just not seeing where you have changed any position you haven't had since March....or is this just a fake-conversion hoping to sway fence-sitters?


wow, you have some time on your hands man. i was in the camp of freshman do better if they redshirt for a year. I am out of that camp as of today. i want him to start. While there are drawbacks to having him start, I think he should get going on his byu career right now. i have been leaning that way for while but rationally have thought it probably is not the best idea. I am finally off that fence.



Me refuting comments from people like you that he is a prima donna does not mean i think he should start anyhow. That is stretch of an inference. I have never stated that jake should start as your extensive research suggests.



I was simply pushing back on comments from people like you who make him out to be an entitled whimp who thinks he is God's gift to football. I just don't see facts to back that up. I see just the opposite. Your skipping practice problem with him was because he had the flew. the locker crap is purely that, crap. his past work ethic and actions suggest he is team player who puts in the work and time to be a winner. I just think those with that opinion have any legs to stand on.



That doesn't mean I think he should be the starter but if he has as good as Riley in getting the offense moving then I think we just go with him right away with riley getting some snaps as well on certain plays.



That said, I am happy with all our options at qb but if riley doesn't clearly beat out jake in terms of moving the offense then i think we should go with jake. If riley outplayed jake in fall camp and made some seperation then I would change my mind, but if the status quo remains, just give the fans what they want and start jake. If he is better then our guy that has more experience, then he is ready enough to play, even as a freshman.


LOL. All I asked what what position you had changed. You have tried to muddy that, but you really just proved my point. You have the same position you had in March. You even tried to save yourself by claiming your change was "i want him to start" and claiming to be off the fence. I could have lived with that and moved on, but then you go and shoot yourself in the foot:



"That doesn't mean I think he should be the starter but if he has as good as Riley in getting the offense moving then I think we just go with him right away with riley getting some snaps as well on certain plays."



Which is exactly what you said in March. Nothing has changed. That's all I was pointing out--you have always had this position you claim is new--I've provided ample links to prove it.


Dude, take off your narrow goggles. Read the two paragraphs above the one you conveniently cite to in isolation. You took one sentence completely out of the context. You cannot make an inference that me stating JAKE IS NOT A PRIMA DONNA = I WANT JAKE TO BE STARTING QB. That is what that sentence means, that was the point I was making. I didn't shoot myself in the foot. You are trying so hard to prove a point (which is kind of weird actually) that you are grasping at straws and pulling things out of their context. Me defending Jake against prima donna attacks doesn't mean i want him starting. I want him starting as i pointed out because if its even between him and riley which it is at this point, then Jake should start. I was not sure earlier. Now I am. He is an exceptional talent and we should use him right away if nobody is better than he is.



Your links don't prove anything but that you have too much time on your hands and that you are willing to twist and turn comments to support the claim you are trying to make. You seem to be ultra sensitive about people wanting jake to be qb. Do you really think I am making things up to try and persuade people to support jake as starting qb? I guess I should be flattered by the inference that my opinion actually matters. :)



Not sure what the big deal is here. move along everybody.
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Lawboy
dmcougar wrote:



And to all the self-annointed/self-appointed Jake-debasing, reality-crusaders--LAWBOY especially, GIVE IT A REST ALREADY with the whole right-sizing of fans expectations regarding Jake. Criminy!



Give it a rest or start a fricken pool of some sort and let folks guess what they are going to guess and quit trying to save all those who live for Jake starting.



Sheesh. The summer heat has baked some of your bored-out-of-your-goard noggins.


Dude, stop being such a jerk. Seriously. People come here to discuss, not be ripped for having an opinion--heaven forbid-- and talked down to like you just did. Condescend much?



Plus, you are so far off in your analysis, it is a joke. I personally would like to see Jake start game 1, and my comments all over this board back that up. I just think we need to give the 18 year old kid a break and not "heap" unnecessary pressure and expectations on him just yet. Let him grow into it as the season progresses. And what exactly, is wrong with that?
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snoscythe
I haven't said anything in this thread about who should/shouldn't be the starter. I haven't said anything about whether or not Jake is a prima donna.



Again, the narrow question I asked, that you continue to cloud: what position have you changed?



I could understand it if you had changed your position from your position in March that Heaps should be phased in as a starter to bold, new "Heaps should start" position, since that would be different from what you've been advocating since March. If you read the links (which took me all of 3 minutes to find with the search function), you'll see that you are taking the same position today that you were taking them.



Here's some examples of your past position, since you seem unwilling to follow the links:


(June 1st) I fully expect however that because of heaps' physical and skill ability a long with his smarts and ability to learn very quickly he will overtake Riley before this season is over if not before it even starts.


(May 28) even if nelson starts, he won't fend of heaps for long. heaps will be starting at some point this season I would imagine.


(March 24) he is looking very good. it would be nice to be able to redshirt him but if nelson or lark can't outshine him the coaches may not have a choice but to play him come fall if he just keeps getting better than those guys.


(March 12) Mark my words. Nelson won't be the starting qb come the opening game with washington. Its heap or lark's for the taking.


So tell me, what has changed? My only point in all those links was that question--your OP made it seem like you were a fence-sitter who was suddenly converted by a warm/fuzzy story with quotes from Jake's biggest fans, when in fact, the position you've laid out is one you staked months before the article was published. Now you claim to have previously staked the position that "freshmen should redshirt," but your one previous reference to "it would be nice to be able to redshirt him" doesn't exact stake out that ground, especially given your other comments.



Again--what has changed? Show me how the position you've taken in this thread differs from your past statements I've linked to. I just don't buy it.
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BigCougsFan
This dang off season is even getting BYU fans turning on each other!



At least its the off season. The Lamanites did this for generations.



As soon as kick off comes... We'll be standing around a campfire hand in hand singing: Rise and Shout...



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