What's Tom Holmoe doing with all this expansion?

Is Tom Holmoe working to get BYU into the Big XII(this or next year), by taking a smaller piece of the BCS pie?



Is he pushing Craig Thompson to be proactive(apparently not if Thompson said no more to expansion)?



Or is he sitting on his hands and watching on, wishing upon a star?



Anyone have any insight?

I have been wondering this as well.



Out of all the differences that have been discussed ad naseum on this topic, we haven't discussed the obvious advantage that Utah has: they have a far superior AD to BYU.



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stuckinbig10country wrote:
We haven't discussed the obvious advantage that Utah has: they have a far superior AD to BYU.



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I disagree whole-heartedly.



Utah blows at every sport except football's four-year cycle and gymnastics. Chris Hill has overseen the decline of Utah athletics in nearly every other aspect, the poster child of which has been men's basketball.



BYU on the other hand, is in a golden-age for athletics, arguably the greatest four-year span in the history of the school. Much of that has to do with Holmoe's hiring of coaches who fit--Bronco and Rose. How well has Hill done in hiring coaches outside of Whittingham? He's been a dismal failure.



The one place where Hill has the edge would be the PAC-10 invite. If you think that had anything to do with the AD's respective negotiating ability, you are grossly mistaken--it had everything to do with politics and religion--BYU was out of the PAC-10 at the moment a 14-year old kid went into the woods to pray.



Pointing fingers at Tom Holmoe is simply ungrateful and plain ignorant.

snoscythe wrote:
it had everything to do with politics and religion--BYU was out of the PAC-10 at the moment a 14-year old kid went into the woods to pray.

Amen.



The only thing real WIN that I'd chalk up to Chris Hill is hiring Urban Meyer. And maybe you could say Majerus...if you wanted to go out on a limb.



Other than that...? Utah is good at football for now, but other than gymnastics...nada. If their other sports can't even compete in the MWC, what makes them think they can compete in the Pac-less?

What is the AD's main job? Promote the school and improve facilities. Dr. Hill has been masterful at that. Utah is thought of very highly around the country.



Just 2 years ago, Utah had a 5 seed in the NCAA tourney. That Utah team was not that much better than BYU, but because of Utah's cache around the country, they got the seed.



Holmoe tried to hire no less than 2 other football coaches ahead of Bronco and in both football and basketball he ended up just promoting assistants (which have worked out great). I know that Holmoe was only the "acting AD" for the football hire.



Holmoe has shown weakness in promoting the school to potential coaches and obviously to other conferences. He has a terrible time scheduling OOC games, and while it may not be completely his fault, we get screwed every other year by not having Utah and TCU on opposite sides of the home/away schedule.



And now we lose an advantage that we had over Utah with recruiting, especially in-state guys, so I'm not sure our recruiting classes will be so good in basketball and football.



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Dang... Sorry I asked.

stuckinbig10country wrote:
Holmoe has shown weakness in promoting the school to potential coaches and obviously to other conferences. He has a terrible time scheduling OOC games, and while it may not be completely his fault, we get screwed every other year by not having Utah and TCU on opposite sides of the home/away schedule.

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This isn't the first time I've heard of Holmoe not doing so well scheduling other teams. Enlighten me on that.



I thought he's done a good job. Even though these two are one-n-dones, but scheduling OU(has worked out fanstastic for us) and Texas was great, IMO. Especially with them reaching the Championship game prior to it.



We got Florida St. which wasn't his fault we lost, and last years schedule was set up to bust the BCS. I know we lost out on a one-n-done with Arizona St., but don't know why that fell through.



Why are some down on his scheduling techniques... Or lack of it????

BigCougsFan wrote:
Dang... Sorry I asked.

Holmoe has shown weakness in promoting the school to potential coaches and obviously to other conferences. He has a terrible time scheduling OOC games, and while it may not be completely his fault, we get screwed every other year by not having Utah and TCU on opposite sides of the home/away schedule.

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This isn't the first time I've heard of Holmoe not doing so well scheduling other teams. Enlighten me on that.



I thought he's done a good job. Even though these two are one-n-dones, but scheduling OU(has worked out fanstastic for us) and Texas was great, IMO. Especially with them reaching the Championship game prior to it.



We got Florida St. which wasn't his fault we lost, and last years schedule was set up to bust the BCS. I know we lost out on a one-n-done with Arizona St., but don't know why that fell through.



Why are some down on his scheduling techniques... Or lack of it????

Yeah, Utah's been knocking 'em dead with their scheduling.... :roll:

BigCougsFan wrote:
Dang... Sorry I asked.

Holmoe has shown weakness in promoting the school to potential coaches and obviously to other conferences. He has a terrible time scheduling OOC games, and while it may not be completely his fault, we get screwed every other year by not having Utah and TCU on opposite sides of the home/away schedule.

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This isn't the first time I've heard of Holmoe not doing so well scheduling other teams. Enlighten me on that.



I thought he's done a good job. Even though these two are one-n-dones, but scheduling OU(has worked out fanstastic for us) and Texas was great, IMO. Especially with them reaching the Championship game prior to it.



We got Florida St. which wasn't his fault we lost, and last years schedule was set up to bust the BCS. I know we lost out on a one-n-done with Arizona St., but don't know why that fell through.



Why are some down on his scheduling techniques... Or lack of it????

Florida St. was scheduled when Lavell was still the coach - way before Holmoe became AD.



ASU was home/home, not one n done.

Here's the two school's upcoming non-conference football opponents (i.e. those scheduled by Holmoe/Hill):



BYU 2010:

Washington

USU

Florida State

UNR



Utah 2010:

Pitt

Iowa State

San Jose State

Notre Dame



BYU 2011:

Oregon State

Texas

Utah State

[empty slot]



Utah 2011:

Iowa State

Oregon

Boise State

Pittsburgh



BYU 2012:

Oregon State

Hawai'i

Boise State

Utah State



Utah 2012:

Washington State

Utah State

Colorado

Boise State



I fail to see how Holmoe is somehow being out-scheduled by Hill. Utah gets Notre Dame, we get Texas. We schedule USU, they schedule ISU, WSU, SJSU, CU, and USU.

Who will we get to fill the Texas spot for 2011, since we'll be playing them in-conference then.

snoscythe wrote:

We haven't discussed the obvious advantage that Utah has: they have a far superior AD to BYU.



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I disagree whole-heartedly.



Utah blows at every sport except football's four-year cycle and gymnastics. Chris Hill has overseen the decline of Utah athletics in nearly every other aspect, the poster child of which has been men's basketball.



BYU on the other hand, is in a golden-age for athletics, arguably the greatest four-year span in the history of the school. Much of that has to do with Holmoe's hiring of coaches who fit--Bronco and Rose. How well has Hill done in hiring coaches outside of Whittingham? He's been a dismal failure.



The one place where Hill has the edge would be the PAC-10 invite. If you think that had anything to do with the AD's respective negotiating ability, you are grossly mistaken--it had everything to do with politics and religion--BYU was out of the PAC-10 at the moment a 14-year old kid went into the woods to pray.



Pointing fingers at Tom Holmoe is simply ungrateful and plain ignorant.

Let's take that even further. Utah backed into the Pac 10 invite. They were literally the last choice. No matter what Larry Scott says, they were the backup plan and Pac 10 fans are not happy... their conference has been diluted even more. BYU could win back to back national championships and not get in the Pac-10 due to relgious bias so what are we upset about? That little brother got a piece of the pie? (who cares)



BYU still has quite a few options, not-the-least of which is to stay in the MWC and when these last few recruiting classes mature, go undefeated a couple years in a row. If BSU can start out in the top 5 of the rankings and win out, then BYU can do the same; eventually the Big 12 or autobid will happen. Have a little faith.

Playing Utah in the future is a wash they get up for us even when they have a piss poor team (and they lose to UNLV 27-0 etc. etc. etc.) We don't need them, unless it's to beat them and prove to local recruits that PAC-10 membership is meaningless.



The talent from the last 3-4 years of recruiting hasn't even begun to mature, while Utah has not had a great deal of recruiting success since Urban Meyer left and his last groups of recruits are gone or getting ready to graduate.If you think that Utah is going to go to the Pac 10 and do much more than .500 ball you're sorely mistaken (I'm dumbfounded by those posts; yes the Pac-10 is weak... but so is Utah... Whittingham has the abili to get his players up for 1-2 big games a year and play patsies the rest, (and lose to somer of those patsies) what does he do when every week is a challenge?). Pac-10 invitation alone doesnt' guarantee wins, talent does and they just don't have a ton of talent in their system.



Tom Holmoe doesn't need to do much, he can lobby the Big 12 a bit and just fill them in on what we offer, but what he really needs is for public opinion in Big 12 country to drive us there. The only way that happens, is if we win and win a lot. He can support the current staff and give them the resources they need to succeed. He's done that. He can put us in spotlight games that get us national respect. He's done that.



BYU just needs to stay the course and good things will happen. Barring a defection of our current talent, we're in good shape to shake up college sports the next few years; with or without Utah. I believe in the talent we've brought in, in fact if there was no bias in recruiting rakings, I'd put us in the top 5-6 for the 2010 class. (Just wait til they get a load of Bronson Kaufusi after his mission; whatever position he plays, I'm willing to bet he goes down as one of the top 2-3 players ever to play at the Y. And he's just one of many)



Winning solves a lot of problems and the Cougs are going to do a lot of winning in the future. Tom Holmoe is doing fine.

Monson had a good column in the Trib today. The money quote was basically that BYU needs to embrace who they are, continue to win games, and get to the Big 12 or make the MWC into the power conference it is becoming.



I may have been a little too hard on Holmoe, but if positive moves aren't made, the question once again will be what is the AD doing.



He does need to be a bit more dynamic given the potential change in recruiting that will happen.

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First of all Chris Hill had absolutely zero to do with Utah getting an invite to the PAC. The PAC called Utah when nothing else worked out. Well I shouldn't say that, maybe he answered the phone when Larry Scott called.

2nd- Yeah Utah got a 5 seed in basketball a few years ago and it is true Chris Hill had a lot to do with that...he was on the Selection Committee that year!! I personally believe, and a lot of other people do too, that Chris Hill traded a 4th MWC team for that 5 seed.



Holmoe- Whether you like him or not you have to admit that he has always been forthright, honest and very accommodating to the media. He even answers fans emails for crying out loud. He takes interviews with everybody and is always very upfront and honest about everything. Heck that's why we know that scheduling is difficult. I have always respected Tom Holmoe because of this.



That being said he has been awfully quiet these past couple of weeks. He hasn't done any interviews that I am aware of. He put out 1 statement welcoming BSU and 1 statement talking about the rivalry between BYU and Utah. That is it. And I can guarantee you that his phone has been ringing off the hook for interviews especially since Utah joined the PAC. And yet he is silent. This is very unusual for Tom Holmoe.



So to me this means one thing and one thing only, Holmoe is up to something. I think he has been in talks with the Big 12, VERY serious talks and has simply been given a gag order.

Why the gag order? Because as we have learned from the Big 12 the past couple of weeks the Texas Legislature jumps all over rumors. 6 teams to the PAC was rumored and BAM, legislature says you can't go without Baylor. A report comes out and says Jerry Jones wants Arkansas and ND and BAM, legislature says they will fight to put Houston in. The Big 12 is trying to avoid that by putting a gag order on Holmoe.



That is my 2 cents, take it or leave it.

snoscythe wrote:

Dang... Sorry I asked.

stuckinbig10country wrote:
Holmoe has shown weakness in promoting the school to potential coaches and obviously to other conferences. He has a terrible time scheduling OOC games, and while it may not be completely his fault, we get screwed every other year by not having Utah and TCU on opposite sides of the home/away schedule.

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This isn't the first time I've heard of Holmoe not doing so well scheduling other teams. Enlighten me on that.



I thought he's done a good job. Even though these two are one-n-dones, but scheduling OU(has worked out fanstastic for us) and Texas was great, IMO. Especially with them reaching the Championship game prior to it.



We got Florida St. which wasn't his fault we lost, and last years schedule was set up to bust the BCS. I know we lost out on a one-n-done with Arizona St., but don't know why that fell through.



Why are some down on his scheduling techniques... Or lack of it????

Yeah, Utah's been knocking 'em dead with their scheduling.... :roll:

That's exactly what I've been thinking for the past couple of years with Utah. They have some stinky OOC games and it will only get worse after they enter the PAC.

33311710 wrote:
Florida St. was scheduled when Lavell was still the coach - way before Holmoe became AD.



ASU was home/home, not one n done.

Oops... That's what I meant with ASU. Anyone know why these guys fell through???

stuckinbig10country wrote:
Monson had a good column in the Trib today. The money quote was basically that BYU needs to embrace who they are, continue to win games, and get to the Big 12 or make the MWC into the power conference it is becoming.



I may have been a little too hard on Holmoe, but if positive moves aren't made, the question once again will be what is the AD doing.



He does need to be a bit more dynamic given the potential change in recruiting that will happen.

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I, too, thought Monson's article was good. Then I realized it read like a eulogy, and that he must have had a blast writing it.

BigCougsFan wrote:

BigCougsFan wrote:
Dang... Sorry I asked.

Holmoe has shown weakness in promoting the school to potential coaches and obviously to other conferences. He has a terrible time scheduling OOC games, and while it may not be completely his fault, we get screwed every other year by not having Utah and TCU on opposite sides of the home/away schedule.

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This isn't the first time I've heard of Holmoe not doing so well scheduling other teams. Enlighten me on that.



I thought he's done a good job. Even though these two are one-n-dones, but scheduling OU(has worked out fanstastic for us) and Texas was great, IMO. Especially with them reaching the Championship game prior to it.



We got Florida St. which wasn't his fault we lost, and last years schedule was set up to bust the BCS. I know we lost out on a one-n-done with Arizona St., but don't know why that fell through.



Why are some down on his scheduling techniques... Or lack of it????

Yeah, Utah's been knocking 'em dead with their scheduling.... :roll:

That's exactly what I've been thinking for the past couple of years with Utah. They have some stinky OOC games and it will only get worse after they enter the PAC.

33311710 wrote:
Florida St. was scheduled when Lavell was still the coach - way before Holmoe became AD.



ASU was home/home, not one n done.

Oops... That's what I meant with ASU. Anyone know why these guys fell through???

They whimped out. They backed out. They didn't want us to stomp the field with them.



So far, Holmoe has set up a one-and done "neutral" site game with OU, and One-n-done (?) at Texas (no return trip announced), and now an Oregon St series. Other than that...well, he set up some nice WAC games...



I've been disappointed with the games he's managed to put together OOC so far.

[quote="stuckinbig10country"]What is the AD's main job? Promote the school and improve facilities. Dr. Hill has been masterful at that. Utah is thought of very highly around the country.[quote]



There haven't been any major upgrades to any facilities at the University of Utah because of Chris Hill other than an indoor practice bubble that actually blew down once.



If you are referring to the expansion of the football stadium, that wasn't because of Hill, that was done because of the 2002 winter olympics coming to town, the only reason the frUtes got the new stadium was because of how close they are to downtown were a lot of the activities were happening, other wise it doesn't happen.

33311710 wrote:

snoscythe wrote:

Dang... Sorry I asked.

stuckinbig10country wrote:
Holmoe has shown weakness in promoting the school to potential coaches and obviously to other conferences. He has a terrible time scheduling OOC games, and while it may not be completely his fault, we get screwed every other year by not having Utah and TCU on opposite sides of the home/away schedule.

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This isn't the first time I've heard of Holmoe not doing so well scheduling other teams. Enlighten me on that.



I thought he's done a good job. Even though these two are one-n-dones, but scheduling OU(has worked out fanstastic for us) and Texas was great, IMO. Especially with them reaching the Championship game prior to it.



We got Florida St. which wasn't his fault we lost, and last years schedule was set up to bust the BCS. I know we lost out on a one-n-done with Arizona St., but don't know why that fell through.



Why are some down on his scheduling techniques... Or lack of it????

Yeah, Utah's been knocking 'em dead with their scheduling.... :roll:

That's exactly what I've been thinking for the past couple of years with Utah. They have some stinky OOC games and it will only get worse after they enter the PAC.

33311710 wrote:
Florida St. was scheduled when Lavell was still the coach - way before Holmoe became AD.



ASU was home/home, not one n done.

Oops... That's what I meant with ASU. Anyone know why these guys fell through???

They whimped out. They backed out. They didn't want us to stomp the field with them.



So far, Holmoe has set up a one-and done "neutral" site game with OU, and One-n-done (?) at Texas (no return trip announced), and now an Oregon St series. Other than that...well, he set up some nice WAC games...



I've been disappointed with the games he's managed to put together OOC so far.

I hate these WAC games we've scheduled for the future! We play four OOC games a year.



Enough to schedule well established foes to kick their trash, and in 2012 we have 3 out of the 4 games with WAC schools! What the freak is up with that?!?! I'm sure I'll get, well no one wants to play us, that's the best we can do, yada yada yada, BUT come on! We're trying to make a name for ourselves AGAIN, and this won't do it.

BYU is only playing two WAC teams in 2012--the usual USU game and Hawaii. I'm not going to complain about Hawaii either. By doing a home-and-home with Hawaii, we get the benefit of playing a 13th regular season game in 2013 when we travel to the islands.

snoscythe wrote:
BYU is only playing two WAC teams in 2012--the usual USU game and Hawaii. I'm not going to complain about Hawaii either. By doing a home-and-home with Hawaii, we get the benefit of playing a 13th regular season game in 2013 when we travel to the islands.

Well now it's two WAC schools. Six months ago, it was three WAC schools. Point is... I don't like the fact that he's going after WAC schools for scheduling.



And yes, I don't know what the exact situations are. If they're paying us huge bucks to play them OR every single frickin' BCS school said "no" to playing us.



Before Boise became a MWC, we only had Boise and Hawaii scheduled for our OOC play in 2013. Now it's just Hawaii(unless I'm missing something?), how do you figure we get a 13th regular season game?