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PAC 10 to Big 16?

by crazycougar84601 · 6/3/2010

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CannonCougar85
I can see Colorado wanting to join the PAC-1 as they recruit heavily on the west coast.



I don't really see any of the others very eager to join.



But let's say magically it does happen, does the Big-12 then dissolve or does the BIG-12 invite BYU, Utah, TCU and BSU to fill the void?

If the latter happens then I don't think the Big-12 would be much better then the MWC is now, especially if BSU is added to the MWC on Monday.
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byutx
This is starting to look more and more likely.
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BYUgrad03
CannonCougar85 wrote:
I can see Colorado wanting to join the PAC-1 as they recruit heavily on the west coast.



I don't really see any of the others very eager to join.



But let's say magically it does happen, does the Big-12 then dissolve or does the BIG-12 invite BYU, Utah, TCU and BSU to fill the void?

If the latter happens then I don't think the Big-12 would be much better then the MWC is now, especially if BSU is added to the MWC on Monday.


I disagree. You have to look at who we would replace as conference opponents if Utah, BYU, TCU and Boise St were to be invited to help fill that void if those above mentioned teams left for the Pac-10. Instead of New Mexico, Wyoming, UNLV and San Diego St, we would play Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri and take your pick of the remaining teams in the Big 12. Even their bottom dwellers are better (for the most part) than our bottom four. Nebraska looks to be on its way back and will be a serious contender for the Big 12 title this year, Missouri is decent, and Kansas as we all know is a basketball power, but has been good (with this past year as an exception) at football over the last 5-6 years with one BCS bowl win under its belt. If we brought in Airforce and Colorado St, that would include the Denver market potentially lost if Colorado moves which would be very appealing to the Big 12. I think it would be a very strong conference. Although I don't think it will happen. I see those Big 12 teams leaving for the Big 10 before I see them staying in a newly formed Big 12.
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Mingjai
BYUgrad03 wrote:
I can see Colorado wanting to join the PAC-1 as they recruit heavily on the west coast.



I don't really see any of the others very eager to join.



But let's say magically it does happen, does the Big-12 then dissolve or does the BIG-12 invite BYU, Utah, TCU and BSU to fill the void?

If the latter happens then I don't think the Big-12 would be much better then the MWC is now, especially if BSU is added to the MWC on Monday.


I disagree. You have to look at who we would replace as conference opponents if Utah, BYU, TCU and Boise St were to be invited to help fill that void if those above mentioned teams left for the Pac-10. Instead of New Mexico, Wyoming, UNLV and San Diego St, we would play Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri and take your pick of the remaining teams in the Big 12. Even their bottom dwellers are better (for the most part) than our bottom four. Nebraska looks to be on its way back and will be a serious contender for the Big 12 title this year, Missouri is decent, and Kansas as we all know is a basketball power, but has been good (with this past year as an exception) at football over the last 5-6 years with one BCS bowl win under its belt. If we brought in Airforce and Colorado St, that would include the Denver market potentially lost if Colorado moves which would be very appealing to the Big 12. I think it would be a very strong conference. Although I don't think it will happen. I see those Big 12 teams leaving for the Big 10 before I see them staying in a newly formed Big 12.


If the rumored 6 go to the Pac 10, then I'm sure the Big Ten would expand and probably take Mizzou and Nebraska (among others), leaving Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, and Baylor. If anything, I would think the MWC should be doing the inviting, but none of those schools are desirable. I can see Kansas in the Big East (assuming it still remains viable) because Kansas is really a basketball school--it would fit right in with Louisville, UConn, West Virginia, and Syracuse (assuming it doesn't get a Big Ten invite).
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Mingjai wrote:

If the rumored 6 go to the Pac 10, then I'm sure the Big Ten would expand and probably take Mizzou and Nebraska (among others), leaving Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, and Baylor. If anything, I would think the MWC should be doing the inviting, but none of those schools are desirable. I can see Kansas in the Big East (assuming it still remains viable) because Kansas is really a basketball school--it would fit right in with Louisville, UConn, West Virginia, and Syracuse (assuming it doesn't get a Big Ten invite).


If this latest "doomsday" scenario does happen...the MWC should make a hard push for Kansas and KSU. I don't think the Big East will be much of a concern (as far as Kansas is concerned)...because it will cease to exist as will the Big 12 if this actually happens. So the MWC might just be the best home for the two Kansas schools.



I'm sick and tired of all the talk - will something just happen already?
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Mars


If the PAC-10 raids the Big XII, take two of whoever remains, in this order: Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, and Kansas State, as well as Boise State.



Let Iowa State and Baylor die. No one wants them.
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CougarClaw
Mars wrote:


If the PAC-10 raids the Big XII, take two of whoever remains, in this order: Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, and Kansas State, as well as Boise State.





I agree. I'd take all four of those schools before Boise, perhaps even more than four.... :P ;)
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BYUgrad03
33311710 wrote:
[quote="Mingjai")I'm sick and tired of all the talk - will something just happen already?


Ditto. This is getting old. As long as all of this expansion talk results in a benefit to us in some way, that's all I care about.



Personally, my dream situation would've been us replacing a Big 12 school namely Mizzou with the rest of the conference intact. I would've loved to have played the likes of...well all the Big 12 south schools (exception Baylor) and Nebraska in football at least every year or two.
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BYUgrad03
From bleachereport.com



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/401059-pac-10-expansion-with-big-12-south-college-superconference-era-begins


UPDATE: The AP is now running a story on this topic which is suggesting that no unanimity could be achieved at the Big 12 meetings in Kansas City today, according to quotes from University of Oklahoma Athletic Director Joe Castiglione. That has led to a press conference delay from Big 12 officials until tomorrow, and increases the plausibility of a Big 12 break up (6:46 P.M., PDT) .



BREAKING: The invitations alleged in this article have just been confirmed by University of Colorado Athletic Director Mike Bohn (5:22 P.M., PDT) .



Step aside, Big Ten and SEC.



There might be a new sheriff in town, taking a dominant hold on the entire college football landscape.



According to Rivals.com, the Pac-10 is about to pre-empt everyone in the football world by offering a spot in its conference to six teams.



Those teams are:



Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M (or maybe Nebraska instead), and Texas Tech.



If all of the offers are accepted, the Pac-10 would have successfully created the most epic conference college football has ever seen, and the potential financial benefit to conference members would be undeniable.



Based upon the rumors (again, this is not concrete yet) the Pac-10 will extend the offers this weekend, potentially as early as tomorrow (Friday).



The conference would be set up with Arizona and Arizona State joining an eight team division with the other new schools, and then a second division composed of the eight Pacific Coast schools.



The story lines here are absolutely fantastic, as coaches like the pictured Bob Stoops would be pitted yearly against his brother, Mike Stoops.



Also, the potential tango between a perennial powerhouse like USC and Big 12 South all-stars like Oklahoma and Texas is certainly enough to raise some eyebrows.



Adding credibility to these claims is the fact that Missouri, despite a major summit of Big 12 schools currently underway, has just acknowledged that they cannot commit to the Big 12.



It appears that one of college football's strongest conferences might break up and give way to a new era, because if this happens the Big Ten's hand will also be forced.



Not much imagination is required to see Nebraska, Missouri, Notre Dame, and potentially other schools then migrating into the Big Ten to make the necessary adjustments to compete with this western monster, and the SEC would likely need to expand as well.



This alleged series of events would be the most drastic change in the storied history of all of college football, and for once, it actually seems viable.



For the teams involved in the Pac-10 and Big 12, the monetary opportunity is undeniable, as they could create quite a television monopoly.



Rivals.com is reporting that Fox Cable Networks is interested in making this happen and that revenues would be astronomical.



Texas A&M is supposedly having difficulty stomaching the move to the Pac-10, and might try to jump on board with the SEC if the Big 12 breaks up. In a similar fashion, Nebraska is not particularly interested in the Big Ten.



So another possibility would be Texas A&M out and Nebraska in to preserve some of the history of the old Big 8.



Texas is in favor of maintaining a conference allegiance for non-conference games with the Pac-10, and is trying to hold the Big 12 together. That is certainly another viable option, but it remains to be seen how many teams will get on board with that.



The Pac-10 seems uninterested in that idea, preferring a full-blown merger.
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BigCougsFan
Mars wrote:
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/22802/the-mountain-west-might-be-more-secure-after-recent-news?prosaction=newpost&status=ok


Graham Watson. What can I say about this homer??? I find it ironic that she left BYU out. This isn't the first time either.


A conference needs at least eight members to keep its automatic qualifying status and the Big 12 would be left with Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, and Kansas State. That would put teams such as TCU, Utah, Colorado State and New Mexico right in the Big 12’s crosshairs mostly because of their unique television markets (and probably Houston and Tulsa, too).


She's dumb...
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Schmoe
I dunno, I just don't see the point of jumping from the Big XII to the PAC, am I missing something?
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PurpleReign
Schmoe wrote:
I dunno, I just don't see the point of jumping from the Big XII to the PAC, am I missing something?


Money.





Has nothing to do with tradition and everything to do with a TV Network with around 7 of the top 20 markets in the country being in the same conference. The Big12 currently does not have equal revenue sharing, which is the biggest reason it might break up. Hypothetically, if this merger happened, with the expected TV Network, the teams would get around $20 million each per year from TV revenue, which doubles the $9m/yr that the other conferences with TV networks make.
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Schmoe
But that inequality in revenue sharing is good for the big schools like Texas and OK that are being courted by the PAC. They make TONS of money already. Texas is #1 on Forbes most valuable, Nebraska is #4, OK #10, A&M #18, and OSU #20. The only PAC team even in the top 20 is USC at #15. Why split when you're making tons and getting a bigger piece of the pie?
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Cougarbib
Schmoe



It is all about money, power, and greed. Otherwise, it makes no sense whatsoever.



If this does go down - look for the BCS to dissolve or redefine itself and actually have fewer schools included - not more. Iowa State, Baylor, and a few others will be left outside looking in along with the MWC, WAC, CONF USA, etc. It may come down to 4 conferences of 16 teams each breaking ranks with the NCAA or forcing the NCAA to create a new Division and then every one else will be in a new division called mid major leftover division. This is not good for BYU, MWC, or college football - unless Senator Hatch or President Obama or the Supreme Court steps in and put some parameters around this given that many of these are State and Federally funded institutions, and that it smacks of collusion and being anti-competitive.



But if the Govt lets it happen - 64 teams will be hoarding a lot of money to themselves. Maybe the rest of us can organize a mid-major playoff. So the MWC better offer up Boise State, and then see if there is an opportunity to get some more good mid-major programs like Kansas and K State when the PAC 10 and Big 10 and SEC are done picking the Big 12 clean. Big East, SEC, and ACC will end up forming the other 2 Super Conferences and Notre Dame may finally be forced to join in or be left out and marginalized. Wouldn't it be great if ND, which loves its USC rivalry actually joined the PAC 10 instead of one of the mentioned Big 12 teams - that would sure tick off the Big 10. Won't happen but it sure would be funny.



Maybe BYU should announce the formation of a Medical School and several PHD and research programs immediately because BYU athletics would probably be a bigger draw than some of the other teams that are gong to get a ticket in - but all of that research institution arrogance, Sunday play, and outright discrimination will leave BYU on the outside looking in. But it looks like the Utes will be out in the cold as well. There is some relief, even though Utah is my 2nd favorite team, that they won't likely be in with us left out. There were a lot of Ute fans that were ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN Utah would be in the PAC 10 next week and BYU would be left out entirely or at best begging for a Big 12 invite.



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Mars
Cougarbib2 wrote:
It may come down to 4 conferences of 16 teams each breaking ranks with the NCAA or forcing the NCAA to create a new Division and then every one else will be in a new division called mid major leftover division.

Then the government cuts their Federal funding and they all go bankrupt an drop their athletics programs. Hurrah! :lol:
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Mars
PurpleReign wrote:
I dunno, I just don't see the point of jumping from the Big XII to the PAC, am I missing something?
Money. Has nothing to do with tradition and everything to do with a TV Network with around 7 of the top 20 markets in the country being in the same conference. The Big12 currently does not have equal revenue sharing, which is the biggest reason it might break up. Hypothetically, if this merger happened, with the expected TV Network, the teams would get around $20 million each per year from TV revenue, which doubles the $9m/yr that the other conferences with TV networks make.

1- Which is worth more money, the PAC-10 plus 6 Big XII schools, or the Big XII plus USC, UCLA, Cal, and Stanford? Probably the later (Sorry Oregon/Washington schools).



2- Equal revenue sharing is saving the Big XII right now, as it keeps Texas happy, and they are the biggest school in the conference that's driving the ship, while the Big Ten, PAC-10, and SEC are all trying to woo the Longhorns away.



3- The Big XII's problem is that they simply have a smaller TV contract than the Big Ten and the SEC.



4- The ACC renegotiated their television deal this week for a huge increase ($155MM a year I believe). The Big XII should be able to do the same next year, closing the gap.



5- The PAC-10's problem is that they simply have a smaller TV contract than the Big XII. And they have less exposure, due to later football games. This is why out of two equal football programs in the Pacific timezone and the Eastern timezone, the eastern one will always be worth vastly more money. 3 hours less sleep means a lot of viewers lost.
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imuakahuku
BYUgrad03 wrote:
[quote="Mingjai")I'm sick and tired of all the talk - will something just happen already?


Ditto. This is getting old. As long as all of this expansion talk results in a benefit to us in some way, that's all I care about.



Personally, my dream situation would've been us replacing a Big 12 school namely Mizzou with the rest of the conference intact. I would've loved to have played the likes of...well all the Big 12 south schools (exception Baylor) and Nebraska in football at least every year or two.




I agree, B-12 as currently constituted minus MO, CO, or IA St to make room for us. It would be awesome to be having regular games against NE, OK, TA&M, TX, TT, just thinking about it makes me excited. I hope CO or IA st jump and we get the invite. If two go I hope TCU would be considered for the second spot (but I doubt they would get the invite). Let Utah go to the Pac-0 to be in the 2nd best conf in the west. :P
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jonnylingo
This is my shot in the dark. Texas is trying to keep the bi12 together where it is king. nebraska and missouri are threatening to leave if they don't get more power and money. big 12 and pac10 are discussing a joint tv deal that will bring in tons of money and avoid them having to expand. nebraska and missou are the only cogs in that wheel that are stopping this with their threats of leaving. so pac10 and texas leak this bogus story to try and get leverage given that if they go through with it, nebraksa and missouri and left out in the dark and their bargaining position with the big10 becomes zero.



the more i see and here the more i think things are not going to change much.



I just saw this article that supports this idea. I think there is a lot of infighting and disagreement going on in the big12 right now. if its not resolved however this idea of pac16 probably becomes more realistic because i doubt texas would go to the sec and staying in a raided bgi12 wouldn't do them much good either.



http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5248220
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