Top Ten MWC OOC games

Here is each school's OOC opponents.



Air Force:

@Army

Navy

@Oklahoma

NW St.(?)



Brigham Young

Washington

@Florida St.

Nevada

@Utah St.



Colorado St.

Colorado

@Nevada

@Miami(Ohio)

Idaho



New Mexico

@Oregon

Texas Tech

UTEP

@New Mexico St.



San Diego St.

Nich(?)

@New Mexico St.

@Missouri

Utah St.



TCU

Oregon St.(in Dallas Cowboys stadium)

Tn Tech

Baylor

@SMU



UNLV

Wisconsin

@Idaho

Nevada

@West Virginia



Utah

Pitt

San Jose St.

@Iowa St.

@Notre Dame



Wyoming

Southern Utah

@Texas

Boise St.

@Toledo



10. Colorado St. vs. Colorado

9. Wyoming @ Texas

8. San Diego St. @ Missouri

7. New Mexico @ Oregon

6. UNLV @ West Virginia

5. BYU vs. Washington

4. BYU @ Florida St.

3. Utah @ Notre Dame

2. Air Force @ Oklahoma

1. TCU vs. Oregon St.



TCU has the most to lose this year if they lose one game, that's why I picked them for the #1 game.

What is your top ten???

U rankin the Top 10 most impressive opponents or the Top 10 most interesting games.



Your List

10. Colorado St. vs. Colorado - boring but a reasonble matchup. These are just 2 boring teams.

9. Wyoming @ Texas - Shoot the Wyoming AD - this is the kind of game that will keep the MWC from getting AQ status.

8. San Diego St. @ Missouri - Shoot the SDSU AD - see Wyoming

7. New Mexico @ Oregon - Shoot the NM AD - see above

6. UNLV @ West Virginia - Shoot the UNLV AD too - another rollover game for the MWC.

5. BYU vs. Washington - great matchup most years - BYU might be a bit off this year though. I would rather start with a confidence builder this year.

4. BYU @ Florida St. - Shoot the BYU AD - never schedule games 3 time zones away unless u can go stay there 2 weeks and get over the jet lag b4 the game.

3. Utah @ Notre Dame - Utes over reached and will pay for the mistake - shoot the Utah AD too. Play these kinds of teams in the BCS Bowl games when it matters most.

2. Air Force @ Oklahoma - BYU was nuts 4 taking the risk last year - even though it worked out OK. AFA shoudl have picked someone in 2010 they could crap kick and they would be ranked at seson end with ony 1 or 2 conference osses and no ooc losses other than maybe Navy. AFA Vs Navy should be a very interesting game.

1. TCU vs. Oregon St. - NICE - a bit of a risk - but TCU has the best chance this year of winning this type of game.



The MWC should be playing the game being played until the AQ is in the bag.

Cougarbib2 wrote:
4. BYU @ Florida St. - Shoot the BYU AD - never schedule games 3 time zones away unless u can go stay there 2 weeks and get over the jet lag b4 the game.

Nothing like living in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Now I know why my house is being flooded. :bug:



Pssst, we're only two time zones away. ;)

We get confused out here in Hawaii, which does not do Daylight Saving TIme. So right now LA is 3 hours aheado me, but in the fall it will only be 2 hours. I still think of myself as being in LA where I lived most of my adult life and that is my reference to the 3 time zones - as a fan - I would rarely if ever - be able to travel that far let alone from Hawaii. ANyway sme time zone or at most 1 time zone away seems plenty fr to go if u don't want jet lagged players.



Nice catch - but on the ocean thing - I have always thought UH should play all of their games on an aircraft carrier halfway between Hawaii and the home of their opponents to make things a bit more fair for everyone - UH and the opponent.

Cougarbib2 wrote:
Nice catch - but on the ocean thing - I have always thought UH should play all of their games on an aircraft carrier halfway between Hawaii and the home of their opponents to make things a bit more fair for everyone - UH and the opponent.

Ha, things so mysterious and esoteric that I could never understand when I was but a wee lad is slowly being revealed to me. I never could understand this video, but now I think the light has dawned upon me.



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Cougarbib2 wrote:

Your List

10. Colorado St. vs. Colorado - boring but a reasonble matchup. These are just 2 boring teams.

9. Wyoming @ Texas - Shoot the Wyoming AD - this is the kind of game that will keep the MWC from getting AQ status.

8. San Diego St. @ Missouri - Shoot the SDSU AD - see Wyoming

7. New Mexico @ Oregon - Shoot the NM AD - see above

6. UNLV @ West Virginia - Shoot the UNLV AD too - another rollover game for the MWC.

5. BYU vs. Washington - great matchup most years - BYU might be a bit off this year though. I would rather start with a confidence builder this year.

4. BYU @ Florida St. - Shoot the BYU AD - never schedule games 3 time zones away unless u can go stay there 2 weeks and get over the jet lag b4 the game.

3. Utah @ Notre Dame - Utes over reached and will pay for the mistake - shoot the Utah AD too. Play these kinds of teams in the BCS Bowl games when it matters most.

2. Air Force @ Oklahoma - BYU was nuts 4 taking the risk last year - even though it worked out OK. AFA shoudl have picked someone in 2010 they could crap kick and they would be ranked at seson end with ony 1 or 2 conference osses and no ooc losses other than maybe Navy. AFA Vs Navy should be a very interesting game.

1. TCU vs. Oregon St. - NICE - a bit of a risk - but TCU has the best chance this year of winning this type of game.

So basically we should just shoot all our AD's for scheduling games with AQ status. One to many coconuts have hit your head.

TCU vs. Oregon St. - NICE - a bit of a risk - but TCU has the best chance this year of winning this type of game

Really... A risk??? I would bet TCU would beat Oregon St. 9 out of 10 times.

The MWC should be playing the game being played until the AQ is in the bag.

Then you might as well call us the WAC, Conf-USA, etc... How do you think we earned our current status??? Not by playing crap teams.



Keep up your optimistic views... They're crap! So what you should do is write them all down -- put it in a bottle -- cork it -- and toss is in the ocean in your backyard, so someone in the future will find it, and they will learn from your such awesome wisdom. That way you can touch all walks of life.



I toss out my opinion of the top ten MWC OCC games and you got something to rip into, but funny thing is... I didn't see your list. What's yours???

Cougarbib2 wrote:
U rankin the Top 10 most impressive opponents or the Top 10 most interesting games.



Your List

10. Colorado St. vs. Colorado - boring but a reasonble matchup. These are just 2 boring teams.

9. Wyoming @ Texas - Shoot the Wyoming AD - this is the kind of game that will keep the MWC from getting AQ status.

8. San Diego St. @ Missouri - Shoot the SDSU AD - see Wyoming

7. New Mexico @ Oregon - Shoot the NM AD - see above

6. UNLV @ West Virginia - Shoot the UNLV AD too - another rollover game for the MWC.

5. BYU vs. Washington - great matchup most years - BYU might be a bit off this year though. I would rather start with a confidence builder this year.

4. BYU @ Florida St. - Shoot the BYU AD - never schedule games 3 time zones away unless u can go stay there 2 weeks and get over the jet lag b4 the game.

3. Utah @ Notre Dame - Utes over reached and will pay for the mistake - shoot the Utah AD too. Play these kinds of teams in the BCS Bowl games when it matters most.

2. Air Force @ Oklahoma - BYU was nuts 4 taking the risk last year - even though it worked out OK. AFA shoudl have picked someone in 2010 they could crap kick and they would be ranked at seson end with ony 1 or 2 conference osses and no ooc losses other than maybe Navy. AFA Vs Navy should be a very interesting game.

1. TCU vs. Oregon St. - NICE - a bit of a risk - but TCU has the best chance this year of winning this type of game.



The MWC should be playing the game being played until the AQ is in the bag.

Are you being serious Cougarbib? Really? I don't know where to begin on this one. BYU was absolutely "nuts" to play Oklahoma last year? I'm not even going to get started.



I like the list but I think utah playing Pitt is a huge game and I believe SDSU is playing Michigan at the Big House. If that is true, then it is an excellent game for the MWC to schedule, very winnable. I'm a bit worried about Nevada for BYU, they are just a scrappy team sometimes. Also, Utah is not overreaching at all by playing Notre Dame, it is as if the planets have aligned for them. Notre Dame has a new coaching staff and new OC so this is a very risky game for Notre Dame, not Utah. Utah will win that game, just like they went in and beat the crap out of Michigan two years ago with Brian Johnson when Michigan was debuting their new OC and Head Coaches.



The crazy thing about Wyoming, is that they will be in that game with Texas until the 3rd quarter. Wyoming is fearless and that's what I love about them. As a result of having an "AD who needs to be shot" our MWC teams have got some huge wins over the last 10 years.

Cougarbib2 wrote:
U rankin the Top 10 most impressive opponents or the Top 10 most interesting games.



Your List

10. Colorado St. vs. Colorado - boring but a reasonble matchup. These are just 2 boring teams.

9. Wyoming @ Texas - Shoot the Wyoming AD - this is the kind of game that will keep the MWC from getting AQ status.

8. San Diego St. @ Missouri - Shoot the SDSU AD - see Wyoming

7. New Mexico @ Oregon - Shoot the NM AD - see above

6. UNLV @ West Virginia - Shoot the UNLV AD too - another rollover game for the MWC.

5. BYU vs. Washington - great matchup most years - BYU might be a bit off this year though. I would rather start with a confidence builder this year.

4. BYU @ Florida St. - Shoot the BYU AD - never schedule games 3 time zones away unless u can go stay there 2 weeks and get over the jet lag b4 the game.

3. Utah @ Notre Dame - Utes over reached and will pay for the mistake - shoot the Utah AD too. Play these kinds of teams in the BCS Bowl games when it matters most.

2. Air Force @ Oklahoma - BYU was nuts 4 taking the risk last year - even though it worked out OK. AFA shoudl have picked someone in 2010 they could crap kick and they would be ranked at seson end with ony 1 or 2 conference osses and no ooc losses other than maybe Navy. AFA Vs Navy should be a very interesting game.

1. TCU vs. Oregon St. - NICE - a bit of a risk - but TCU has the best chance this year of winning this type of game.



The MWC should be playing the game being played until the AQ is in the bag.

Geez, man... negative much?



1.TCU will SLAUGHTER OSU. Not only is it in their backyard but OSU lost their starting QB last year while TCU returns theirs.

2. You called BYU nuts for scheduling OU but apparently we (the MWC) is much closer than you give them credit for. Texas realized they can't just show up and expect to win, even in Laramie. And now is as good a time as any to play OU given the losses they sustained from last year.

3. Yeah, because everybody always gives credit to the non-AQ for their BCS wins. ND sucked last year. What's more, they lost the biggest things they had going for them for a potential improvement this season (Clausen and Tate). Throw in a new QB and a new HC and they'll be back to a sub .500 team in 2010. As much as a I hate to say this, the pukes will walk out of South Bend with this one. I'm so sick of their scheduling luck lately, always catching teams when they are down (Michigan, ND, etc.)

4. Yeah, it's nice that the SEC never has to stray from the borders of their own conference (some schools never even from their own state but once or twice a year) but most other conferences don't have that luxury. And when you have the difficulty scheduling that BYU does, you take whatever "respect" game you can get. Bronco will have the boys ready for this game after last year's embarrassment in LES. I'm guessing this is going to be the "OU" game of the year that is worked on all offseason.

5. Everyone would rather start with a softie but I seem to recall that you have also been antagonistic of BYU in the past for scheduling too soft. If you want to play with the big boys, might as well start things off with a bang. Bronco has proven to be able to be very effective at preparing for home openers and big games (including revenge games) the last few years (Zona, UCLA, OU. And I still don't get why everyone thinks the Huskies are going to make some kind of quantum leap in improvement here to be able to pull off a shocker at LES. We got a shocker from the Criminoles last year... I don't think Bronco will let it happen two years in a row.

6. New HC for UNLV but even a close loss will go a long way in showing the MWC is better than the Big East. UNLV is one of the worst in the MWC, WV one of the best in the Big East. I'm glad we are finally getting some opportunities to go head-to-head with them to show we the superior conference. Whitt and Hauk better realize they are playing for the whole conference in those games against Pitt and WV.

7... whatever

8... whatever

9. See #2 above. Because putting a scare into the eventual national championship game loser is such a horrible idea.

10. Don't forget CSU actually won last year, despite CU's better athletes and BCS money. You'd expect even the bottom of the Big XII to be able to beat the worst place team in the MWC. But clearly we are nowhere even close to being able to compete with these BCS conferences (tic).



Clearly if we had it your way, we'd never take any chances at all and schedule all D1aa teams. Please try and remember that most schedules are made years in advance when you have to project where your teams is going to be at and where the other team is going to be at. There are also other factors to remember. Sometimes you sacrifice an loss one year to get that upset the next. Sometimes athletic departments have bills to pay and staying in the black often means more than an extra loss or two here or there. And most importantly, sometimes you have to bring in the best competition in order to be able to sell tickets and get fans excited when you're not that good yourself. For instance, every NBA arena use to sell sell out whenever MJ and the Bulls came to town because the fans want to see the best. Everyone can appreciate watching an impressive athletic performance, even if it is by the team opposing your own.

People always rip the MWC for how weak it's bottom teams are, but over the last couple years, they've beaten quite a few of the bottom teams in AQ conferences.



Case in point: Wyoming beat Tennessee, CSU beat Colorado, UNLV beat Arizona St and UNM beat Arizona. Our four worst teams beat teams from 3 AQ conferences, and it's not like those happened very long ago, CSU was last year and UNLV and UNM were in '08



Yes, the MWC bottom feeders consistently suck, but it looks to me like they're just as good as the bottom feeders from any other conference (including the all powerful SEC and Big-12)

I like Utah's schedule a lot...very ballsy even if the teams aren't great. College football is all about names and beating those 2 teams would look excellent for the conference.

College football rightnow - is bout not losing games. I don't like it that way - but that is how it works. And if the MWC wants to be an AQ conference - every article on this topic points out that to date the MWC is meeting all of the criterial except too many ooc losses by the bottom feeders. So occasional wins against great teams do not offset the losses. I would rather take crap for 2 more years about weak schedules, like BSU does (note how many BCS Bowls they have played in while we have none - oh and they won big games - when it counts - in a BCS Bowl) than barely miss on being an AQ conference.



The BCS Chair was recently quoted as saying all the MWC needs to do is keep doing what it has been doing. The ADs of the Big 3 or 4 shoulda listened to that. ALl we need is for the top to be a little off th enext two years while the bottom continues to offer itself up as sacrifical lambs that win a big one or come close 25% of the time to make us all feel good as the conference gets passed over again. Then BSU (might be in the MWC when this all comes down), Utah, and BYU all start scheduling games to reduce the criticism of schedules. And Texas in 2011, for instance, was not made years in advance and like the "neutral" game with Oklahoma does not bring anyone to high altitude in Provo. Imagine if we got a game in SLC or Provo for playing Oklahoma and Texas in their back yard - maybe we beat them twice. Last year, we did get a lucky break in the Oklahoma game. Maybe we would have won anyway - but it was an unnecessary risk now given the stakes for AQ. After we are AQ - things change a bit - but even then - in the CRAP - system we have now - it is a beauty contest for the NC game. You can't lose and get in unless you are 1 of about 6-8 teams and we are not one of those teams. To be clear - I am all for a playoff system and a chance to go head to head with the big boys when it really matters and do it regularly.



Back in the day - when I was a pup - I totally agreed with the sentiment that we should play the big name teams no matter how unlevel the playing field and show them that we could beat anybody - and was naive enough to think we would almost always beat them instead of rarely beating them. Scheduling up after the 1984 schedule criticism nearly ruined Cougar football, got Norm Chow run out of town, and caused Lavell to retire early due to fan criticism when he had the audacity to lose 4 or 5 games a season - heaven forbid going 6-6 his last season.



Level the playing field and equalize the resources and go home and away and end the beauty contests and I would be happy to play anybody anytime - not just any place though when that place is 2 time zones away and almost always at their place.



Hawaii took that bait right after their highly criticised BCS Bowl team go whipped half way round the world from their home field and opened up at Florida the next season with a brand new QB and a brand new HC. That was stupid.



I will give U a top 5 or 10 list - but u never answered my question.



Do u want the top most interesting games or just the top most impressive opponents. I also stand by my statement about CSU and CU being boring. THey are just two plain boring teams. So I will post next - most interesting games to watch - and not many of them are interesting. And if it was scheduled the way I suggest, especially for the bottom feeders, those games would not be very interesting to me either - but they might serve a purpose in two years.



Bib

I am going to rank these games based on which ones I would bother (pay money or go out of my way) to watch if I followed the MWC but did not attend any of the schools (attempt t remove bias from consideration).



National interest (which ones would someone back east stay up late to watch) ranking would be different order and not very many. If I was a fan or alum of teams like SDSU, UNLV, CSU, NM, and Wyoming that are too boring to watch most of the time no matter who they are playing, they might show up more in there. I would actually go out of my way to watch BYU play almost anybody - cuz I love the Cougs - so I tried to remove myself a bit from that bias or every BYU game would be at the top. I also went to Utah - and although Utah shows mostly near the top - that is the case even with Utah bias removed. Their games are more interesting generally speaking. My best friend's son plays for UW - but I tried to remove that bias too.



TCU / OSU - This game will be more competitive than some of you think and TCU will be a very interesting team to watch in 2010.

Utah / ND - The Utes could win any of thier games but TCU - but may be jeopardizing what couldhave been a magical season by playing too many 50/50 OOC games

Utah / PItt - This game favors Pitt and is most likely the one Utah should have skipped this year. Depending on Wynn and the Ute D - this might be a good game.

BYU / Wash - UW is catching BYU as vulnerable as we have been in a long time and UW is on a definite upswing. Bad opener for rebuilding year - 40/60 odds.

AFA / Navy - great match-up for teams with some level of national following.

AFA / Oklahoma - would be stupid to play this mostyears. maybe ven this year - but AFA has a 50/50 chance on this one.

Utah / Iowa State - See above Utah comments. But this one will be competitive.

BYU / Nevada - BYU 55/45 - but this one worries me this year.

TCU / SMU - SMU might just be ready to sneak up on some folks although quite an underdog in this one.

BYU / FSU - We should never travel this far to play a regular season game - Jet Lag. Hopefully the turf won't be loose like last year - seemed to jinx us.

SDSU / Missouri - SDSU is usually boring - but maybe they could sneak up on someone in this one.



The other games where our bottom feeders are fodder for a much better opponent - especially on the road - Most people won't tune into those - even though we will probably get lucky and scare a couple of them and maybe win one. I occasionally watch those games to sort of scout future in-conference opponents of BYU - but not if I have to go to any trouble to do so.

Cougarbib2-



My question from the first post was, what's your top ten games? Your opinion. So you answered it correctly.



Finally you answered it, but not finally to you, finally someone else gave their opinion of their top ten, instead of commenting on someone elses top ten.



All that talk and only two opinions of a top ten.

No order on these but my defintion is the games that could go either way and wins would strenghten our case for BCS (note that I did not include games that we really should win or those that we have little hope). Win the ones that we should and win these. Also a major upset or two would be nice. Most important are wins against Pac10 and Big10. Not on this list but if UNLV could pull the upset over Wisconsin would be great.



AF-Navy

BYU-UW

BYU-Nevada

CSU-CU

CSU-Nevada

SDSU-USU

UNLV-Nevada

Utah-Pitt

Utah-ND

TCU-OSU

I was thinking about Utah and Pitt.



I disagree with Cougarbib2 that Pitt is favored. I honestly believe Utah will dominate Pitt again. A repeat of the Fiesta Bowl a few years back. Pitt is not that great of a team year in and year out, but did put up 10 wins in a Big East conference last year. I would bet they'd finish 4th in the MWC on average... If that.

tmoney35 wrote:
Wyoming beat Tennessee

I find this interesting, but by my count, Wyoming has beat more SEC teams in the past 10 years than BYU has beat in its history. Wyoming has beat both Tennessee and Ole Miss in the past ten years, while BYU's only win over an SEC team was Miss State (with losses to Miss State, Alabama, and Georgia).

So who did Wyoming lose to in the SEC and other OOC rollover games they have played over the years - not that Wyoming football is at all interesting most yeras, but I seem to recall a number of rollovers.