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MarsHa, I'm not going there.
Great show though!
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How LOST Ends
by Mars · 5/24/2010
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Ha, I'm not going there.
Great show though!
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BigCougsFanI'm not a Lost fan or follower by any means. I haven't even watched an episode all the way through, just know about their show through their commercials/advertisements.
BUT... Considering they're all on an island for 5 years or so. I doubt anyone finds them. So they either die trying to get off OR live happily ever after on the island.
BUT... Considering they're all on an island for 5 years or so. I doubt anyone finds them. So they either die trying to get off OR live happily ever after on the island.
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urronerBigCougsFan wrote:
BUT... Considering they're all on an island for 5 years or so. I doubt anyone finds them. So they either die trying to get off OR live happily ever after on the island.
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SpiffCougI thought it was a great show with a satisfying ending. It didn't answer all the questions I wanted answers to, but it answered enough. There was closure and while not everything was resolved there was an ending to the story. It was a great run. If you never watched it, I highly recommend it.
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Marskitic77 wrote:
I thought it was a great show with a satisfying ending. It didn't answer all the questions I wanted answers to, but it answered enough.
What questions do you have left? Just curious?
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SpiffCougWho were the Others? They didn't seem to be connected to either the Man in Black, Jacob or the Dharma Initiative.
Why couldn't women have babies on the island? It was a huge plot point for several seasons and then completely forgotten.
What were the other Dharma stations for? Another huge plot point that was kind of forgotten.
The Dharma Initiative was where the whole series seemed to be leading the first few seasons and then it completely shifted to they mystical and esoteric. It became about good vs evil. Light vs dark. Jacob vs the Man in Black. The nature of mankind.
I didn't mind the shift, but the way it finished was completely not where it was headed halfway through.
Why couldn't women have babies on the island? It was a huge plot point for several seasons and then completely forgotten.
What were the other Dharma stations for? Another huge plot point that was kind of forgotten.
The Dharma Initiative was where the whole series seemed to be leading the first few seasons and then it completely shifted to they mystical and esoteric. It became about good vs evil. Light vs dark. Jacob vs the Man in Black. The nature of mankind.
I didn't mind the shift, but the way it finished was completely not where it was headed halfway through.
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Sammichkitic77 wrote:
Who were the Others? They didn't seem to be connected to either the Man in Black, Jacob or the Dharma Initiative.
The Others were Jacob's minions. They were a self-interested group that sometimes didn't represent his interests perfectly, but they were essentially Jacob's anti-dharma (and other invaders who threatened "the light") army.
Why couldn't women have babies on the island? It was a huge plot point for several seasons and then completely forgotten.
I believe "the incident" was the reason why women couldn't have babies. Before that people were having babies fine, and I assume after it imploded babies were safe as well.
What were the other Dharma stations for? Another huge plot point that was kind of forgotten.
Good question, all I can tell is they were protected stations outside of "the fence" designed for studying the island. But some of them were mysteries, such as the reporting station that spit out tubes in the middle of nowhere.
The Dharma Initiative was where the whole series seemed to be leading the first few seasons and then it completely shifted to they mystical and esoteric. It became about good vs evil. Light vs dark. Jacob vs the Man in Black. The nature of mankind.
For the first two seasons, the writers had some general ideas about where the series was going, but hadn't mapped it all out yet. So even though it changed in focus, they always had at least some of the good vs. evil, light vs. dark, faith vs. science stuff in mind. The first seasons were just a little heavier in the faith vs. science area than the later seasons (although those were important themes throughout, e.g. Jack Shephard vs. John Locke.
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SpiffCougBottom line: LOST was a great series and well worth the time I spent watching it.
Thanks for the answers. They make sense. I wonder if maybe Jacob brought the Dharma Initiative to 1) contain the electromagnetic field and/or 2) discover/build the fence that contained the Smoke Monster. But once it was clear that wasn't going to work he began making plans that utilized Ben.
By allowing Ben to rule the island for a time, he bought himself time to locate, identify and bring his candidates to the island.
Thanks for the answers. They make sense. I wonder if maybe Jacob brought the Dharma Initiative to 1) contain the electromagnetic field and/or 2) discover/build the fence that contained the Smoke Monster. But once it was clear that wasn't going to work he began making plans that utilized Ben.
By allowing Ben to rule the island for a time, he bought himself time to locate, identify and bring his candidates to the island.
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SammichI don't think he ever meant for Ben to rule the island, or at least not in the way he did. Ben was being manipulated by the smoke monster, and I think that's why Ben never got the "face time" with Jacob that he always wanted. Because of the smoke monster's trickery, Ben was using "The Others" to hunt and kill the very people that Jacob was bringing to protect the island.
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SpiffCougAh. So Smokey was telling Ben he was Jacob and that the real Jacob was out to destroy the island hence the Others hostility to the the Losties. Of course, then Ben has a spinal tumor, so he needs to have a spinal surgeon come save him. And it just so happens to be the same guy the real Jacob has tabbed to replace him. At least potentially.
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Metal BubbaYeah, I finally watched the finale tonight. Loved it. Great ending. No complaints. It was a great show.
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CougarClawoverall, I thought it was thoroughly enjoyable but if I'm going to rant about the series, here are a few of my gripes.
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What about Aaron. He turned from mythologically special wild child to Clair and Kate bait.
and Walt. He was supposedly special and eventually just vanished with all the other black characters (Thanks for your token appearances Rose...)
and just out of curiosity, what is the island?
Oh yeah.
They didn't tell us. Instead they made up a NEW place (see also flash sideways) for the last season or two and just told us that it was a non-purgatory place we created for our loved ones. But the island...nothing. It's a place that has energy, a few immortals, a flying smoke beast who likes to play games and turn into dead people. We don't know what it is, but WE MUST PROTECT IT.
and if the gathering place for flash sideways didn't really exist or existed in nil time, why on earth did Jack and Juliet have a child in non-existent space? I think David would be PO-ed to learn he didn't exist.
As for Boone, he was awfully calm watching his sister make-out with an Iraqi national for someone who was love-sick infatuated out of his mind. The Boone I knew would have gotten himself (re-) killed trying to attack a Republican Guard for such an affront.
Jack's mom was also not present for his funeral/passing/non-denominational church party. Couldn't make it mom?
and one of my favorite plot lines. Hurley's numbers. Never explained. Why push the button using THOSE numbers, and was he cursed then later NOT cursed? I loved seeing those numbers randomly show up everywhere, but then, it was all just a big coincidence.
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What about Aaron. He turned from mythologically special wild child to Clair and Kate bait.
and Walt. He was supposedly special and eventually just vanished with all the other black characters (Thanks for your token appearances Rose...)
and just out of curiosity, what is the island?
Oh yeah.
They didn't tell us. Instead they made up a NEW place (see also flash sideways) for the last season or two and just told us that it was a non-purgatory place we created for our loved ones. But the island...nothing. It's a place that has energy, a few immortals, a flying smoke beast who likes to play games and turn into dead people. We don't know what it is, but WE MUST PROTECT IT.
and if the gathering place for flash sideways didn't really exist or existed in nil time, why on earth did Jack and Juliet have a child in non-existent space? I think David would be PO-ed to learn he didn't exist.
As for Boone, he was awfully calm watching his sister make-out with an Iraqi national for someone who was love-sick infatuated out of his mind. The Boone I knew would have gotten himself (re-) killed trying to attack a Republican Guard for such an affront.
Jack's mom was also not present for his funeral/passing/non-denominational church party. Couldn't make it mom?
and one of my favorite plot lines. Hurley's numbers. Never explained. Why push the button using THOSE numbers, and was he cursed then later NOT cursed? I loved seeing those numbers randomly show up everywhere, but then, it was all just a big coincidence.
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CougarClawand here's to hoping next season they start a new series called "Found" starring Hurley and Ben as they rule the island for 1000 years in island Utopia.
oh, and we also never found why Hurley couldn't lose weight on the island....
good show, keeps you guessing, but I'm glad it's over.
oh, and we also never found why Hurley couldn't lose weight on the island....
good show, keeps you guessing, but I'm glad it's over.
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SpiffCougYeah, I thought it would have been really simply to have the numbers carved on the plug Desmond took out and Jack put back. It wouldn't really have explained them, but at least we could have said, "Oh, that's where they came from."
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Marskitic77 wrote:
Yeah, I thought it would have been really simply to have the numbers carved on the plug Desmond took out and Jack put back. It wouldn't really have explained them, but at least we could have said, "Oh, that's where they came from."
Each candidate was assigned a number, as revealed by the cave wall and the lighthouse. Together, they made up the number combination. Everything else seems to be either incidental coincidence or oddly-placed divine intervention.
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SpiffCougMars wrote:Yeah, I thought it would have been really simply to have the numbers carved on the plug Desmond took out and Jack put back. It wouldn't really have explained them, but at least we could have said, "Oh, that's where they came from."
Each candidate was assigned a number, as revealed by the cave wall and the lighthouse. Together, they made up the number combination. Everything else seems to be either incidental coincidence or oddly-placed divine intervention.
Too easy! That's what they should have done. It would have given meaning to a huge key early plot point. The number sort of disappeared once they stopped pushing the button.
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CougarClawbut the number of candidates changed over time (see cave full of numbers and also see Losties who were bumped off) yet that specific sequence of numbers was a constant (Desmond is my constant....). besides, those numbers appeared several times in various places within the Dharma initiative which had seemingly nothing to do with Jacob or his candidates. Nor does that explain Hurley's awesome money curse.
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SammichHow do we know the numbers never changed? For all we know, those numbers were changed every time a new set of "candidates" were called to the island. And we know that most of the candidates were being influenced by Jacob since a very early age, so who knows how long their names/numbers were up there. Since the 70s? Possibly. I wonder if "the incident" allowed Jacob to take a higher number of candidates then usual, because the EM/probability-messing power of the resulting "hatch" station was so powerful. And once the hatch was blown up, some of that power disappeared, hence Hurley's somewhat diminished luck when he left the island later.
The mystery of Hurley not losing weight on the island? DHARMA MAYONNAISE.
I've also wondered about Walt and Aaron. Were they just randomly special in the same way Desmond, Hurley, and Miles were? Just products of the Lost universe? It would have been nice if so, to introduce more people with special powers that didn't necessarily mean anything, so that Walt and Aaron didn't seem so significant.
Jack's sideways son was stupid and I'm glad he didn't exist. One dimensional character that moves instantly from surly son to dad's smirking joke buddy? Besides, his eyes were too close together.
I'm also glad they never explained the island. I think they left hints all through the series that suggest what it might be, but we don't want some sort of ridiculous Qui-Gon explains the force debacle ever again. Leave it in mystery and it will stay more interesting in people's minds---smart move.
The mystery of Hurley not losing weight on the island? DHARMA MAYONNAISE.
I've also wondered about Walt and Aaron. Were they just randomly special in the same way Desmond, Hurley, and Miles were? Just products of the Lost universe? It would have been nice if so, to introduce more people with special powers that didn't necessarily mean anything, so that Walt and Aaron didn't seem so significant.
Jack's sideways son was stupid and I'm glad he didn't exist. One dimensional character that moves instantly from surly son to dad's smirking joke buddy? Besides, his eyes were too close together.
I'm also glad they never explained the island. I think they left hints all through the series that suggest what it might be, but we don't want some sort of ridiculous Qui-Gon explains the force debacle ever again. Leave it in mystery and it will stay more interesting in people's minds---smart move.
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SpiffCougDon't get me started on Qui-Gonn. He opened up WAY too many questions that Lucas didn't have answers to. He and Jar-Jar nearly killed the prequel trilogy.
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CAFB_04-12"Nearly" killed? :)
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