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by Y 4 Ever · 5/3/2010

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Y 4 Ever
Leave it to Graham Watson to give us a good chuckle in the offseason.



She just released her "post-spring non-AQ power rankings"



Not surprisingly, she has Boise #1, TCU #2 - no shocker there.



She has Utah at #3. Can't argue too much.



But then, that's where things start to get interesting



SMU at #4? Navy #5? Airforce #6? And Houston #7?



And then here comes BYU, bringing up the #8 spot. Behind SMU, Navy, Air Force, and Houston, and just edging out Middle Tennessee and Nevada.



I guess a lot of this will be answered in week 2 after we stomp AFA. But she must be smoking crack if she has SMU "ranked" this high...and BYU this low.



http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/21945/non-aq-post-spring-power-rankings
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ProV1
They still haven’t settled on a cornerback


Don't they mean Quarterback?
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Y 4 Ever
ProV1 wrote:
They still haven’t settled on a cornerback


Don't they mean Quarterback?


Come on, now, you can't expect Ms. Watson to get something RIGHT, can you?
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Lawboy
I get a couple of those teams higher than us early, but not Houston. They lost QB as well, so they should drop. The others returned good QBs I believe, and that is usually how the media ranks things. We will be back up there is we start 2-0 is all I know.
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Cougy_Monster
I guess I can sort of, for a second or two, understand why an objective (cough cough) 3rd party would rank BYU lower in the preseason this year but I think lots of folk will be pleasantly surprised at how many quality wins the Cougs pull off this year. I wonder how long it will take for the country to accept that even when Bronco replaces a QB the Cougs still just reload and don't ever need to rebuild anymore.



Preseason rankings are a strange beast. I think some of these prognosticators are actually a little peeved that the teams play the games and mess up what should have happened.
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YBrit
She obviously has no idea about the QB situation. She's more concerned about the Cornerback situation...hmm...
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stuckinbig10country
Houston's QB, Case Keenum, is back. Houston still does not play defense, and while they may go out and win a couple big games, they will lose one or 2 gimme games because the defense will give up 60 and the offense only scores 50.



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scott715
She said our OL was patchwork. Well that is probably our strongest unit on the team. Only lost our center, a couple of guys were recovering from surgeries. She really does not know our team.
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GolfDiveNCougs
My impression of Graham in the last couple years (or however long she's been doing the "non-Cartels") is that she's trying to say and do all the right things to break into a male dominated profession, and that means paying her dues with the small fish, while towing the company line, and hoping that some day she'll get a "real" conference to cover (she was a Missouri grad if I remember right. Be tough for her to EVER get Big12 with ESPN tho). That line is to make the obvious calls (ala Boise this year), but not to give any more credit to decent teams than absolutely necessary, and when you don't have the info, be vague.



Just further evidence in my mind that there's no such thing as real journalism any more, sports, political or otherwise. There's just obscenely wealthy individuals and entities who are RAMMING their perspective down as many throats as possible to increase their money and power.



Graham is just a cog. One reason BYU often takes a hit with ESPN is that we're not on the in-crowd, likely won't ever be, so they don't make a dime off of covering us like the disgusting amounts of money they've bought the BCS for, and so even though we're now a top 25 team year-in and year-out, public perspective of how good we are is the biggest thing they can influence. Therefore, they'll try and make a good team that they don't make money off of look mediocre, so they aren't the idiot not covering a very good team.



Annoying, but not unexpected.
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BigCougsFan
Graham is just a homer. Just like that Lya Wydrosky or whatever her name is called from the SL Trib.
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Cougarbib
BYU is replacing the winningest QB in school history, two NFL caliber tight ends including arguably the best one in school history, an NFL caliber fullback, probably the best running back in school history, and the center aka the most important position on the O/L. The rest of the O/L will be solid, barring more injuries, and the wideouts will be very good to outstanding.



On defense - well other than defensive backs, it is a rebuilding year.



Perhaps all of this gave Ms Watson a little pause for 2010 along with the number of key games to be played on the road or against solid OOC opponents.



I usually am not too impressed with Ms Watson and haven't even bothered to read the linked article, but don't be too shocked that not everyone is on board with the Cougars. If BYU does start out 2-0 folks will start getting on board pretty quick. If they start out 0-3, we will all look forward to the easier games on the schedule and the maturing of a lot of new players.



How quickly we forget that our stars held the ball too long and fumbled (Hall), fumbled too much (DeLuigi), had missionary legs (Jacobsen), etc. as inexperienced or recently returned players before going on to greatness as experienced Juniors or Seniors. Talent aside, until the kidsw prove themselves on the field, some will be skeptical.



I trust that Bronco will get more out of his players than many experts will expect, but I also expect to see BYU lay a few eggs on the ground in the early going - especially without Unga should it end up that way. On the other hand, DeLuigi is not a rookie anymore and we saw a lot less fumbling last year.



I will support this team no matter the outcome and hope they surprise.



Go Cougs
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Mars
Cougarbib2 wrote:
How quickly we forget that our stars held the ball too long and fumbled (Hall), fumbled too much (DeLuigi), had missionary legs (Jacobsen), etc. as inexperienced or recently returned players before going on to greatness as experienced Juniors or Seniors. Talent aside, until the kidsw prove themselves on the field, some will be skeptical.

1- Yeah, and what was BYU's record in those dark years when Max Hall fumbled too much? Our record could easily be about the same this year.



2- His name is DiLuigi. Come on man.
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Cougarbib
Mars - our record was pretty good, especially when we were not playing nationally ranked teams like TCU and Utah on the road and Florida State on the Road and replacing everyone around the QB. Recall also, that Max Hall was not as true freshman, had hung around a year sittin out the transfer, and was very highly touted. Usually it seemed that we rebuilt the D one year or the O the next year butnot both the same year on top of a brutal schedule.



So MARS I will wger you a chocolate bar right here and now that this team will not score the 11-2 record Max Hall scored in his first year. I will go right out on a limb and call you on that right now. Wanna take me up? What is your prediction. I am not sayin it is impossible, just improbable. But they are still undefeated rightnow and 13-0 is also possible - but highly improbable. But 1984 was improbabl etoo and it happened.



So who knows what we have cookin for 2010. I can't wai tto see - but I am callin you out.



BYU will go between 6-7 and 10-3 at the absolute best. I am expecting 8-5 to 9-4 optimistically.



Go Cougs
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Mars
Cougarbib2 wrote:
Mars - our record was pretty good, especially when we were not playing nationally ranked teams like TCU and Utah on the road and Florida State on the Road and replacing everyone around the QB. Recall also, that Max Hall was not as true freshman, had hung around a year sittin out the transfer, and was very highly touted. Usually it seemed that we rebuilt the D one year or the O the next year butnot both the same year on top of a brutal schedule. So MARS I will wger you a chocolate bar right here and now that this team will not score the 11-2 record Max Hall scored in his first year. I will go right out on a limb and call you on that right now. Wanna take me up? What is your prediction. I am not sayin it is impossible, just improbable. But they are still undefeated rightnow and 13-0 is also possible - but highly improbable. But 1984 was improbabl etoo and it happened. So who knows what we have cookin for 2010. I can't wai tto see - but I am callin you out. BYU will go between 6-7 and 10-3 at the absolute best. I am expecting 8-5 to 9-4 optimistically.

But we DID play TCU and Utah in 2007, and we beat them both. And we lost both of our OOC road games, at UCLA and at Tulsa, so we can't really do worse than that this year (one tough roadie at FSU). And we beat Arizona in our opener in Provo by 13 with a brand new starter at QB, just as we should beat Washington.



Not to mention the fact that we DON'T lose "everyone around the QB" this year. We return 4 of 5 starting O-Linemen. We return our entire WR core, plus add Apo and Phillips. We return our #2, #3, and #4 RBs, JJ, Kariya, and Te'o, IF Harvey isn't back, plus we add Quezada. In this offense, that's a lot. And believe it or not, but Jake Heaps is also "highly touted".



I wouldn't call our D "rebuilt" this year either, with all of the talent we return at DB, along with Pendleton, Atkinson, Ogletree, and half the our two-deep at D-Line. Not to mention the insane amount of talent we are bringing in on that side of the ball this season.



Right now, my prediction for 2010 is... 11-2. With losses @FSU and @TCU. Things might not go quite that well, with tough games against Washington, Utah, and even Air Force and Nevada, but they certainly could.
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cougarsunited
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Oficially the most meaningless (not to mention accuracy...) pre-season ranking EVER!
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Y 4 Ever
Cougarbib2 wrote:
and the center aka the most important position on the O/L.


Gotta disagree with your there - Left Tackle (or Right Tackle if your QB is a lefty) is the most important position on the O/L, and ARGUABLY the second most important position on the offense, maybe the team (look at NFL drafts and payrolls for confirmation).




I will support this team no matter the outcome and hope they surprise.


You'd better...or you'll be banished to :utard: land!
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QuarterbackU
I think I pointed this out in another thread but remember, the reason Hall was so successful his first year going 11-2 is because from the year before we knew he would be THE STARTER. He took 90% of the reps. With this damn "QB Battle" we are going to end up with a starter out there is who is not half as prepared as Hall in his first game against AZ. That is why you don't let the QB battle drag out into fall camp.



Cougs will lose 4 games this year and it upsets me. :angry:
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snoscythe
QuarterbackU wrote:
I think I pointed this out in another thread but remember, the reason Hall was so successful his first year going 11-2 is because from the year before we knew he would be THE STARTER. He took 90% of the reps. With this damn "QB Battle" we are going to end up with a starter out there is who is not half as prepared as Hall in his first game against AZ. That is why you don't let the QB battle drag out into fall camp.



Cougs will lose 4 games this year and it upsets me. :angry:


We didn't know Hall was the starter until after Spring Camp when Cooper pulled up lame. No one has missed any snaps in comparison to Hall yet.



Going 11-2 with Hall in 2007 was a different animal as well. We don't have any FCS teams on the schedule this year, we aren't opening against a team that is trying to completely reinvent their offense from the past season, and the 2010 TCU, Washington, and FSU teams are all more formidable opponents than anyone on the schedule Hall went 11-2 against.



If we lose four games with a newbie QB this season, I'd say that about meets my expectations. 3 losses or fewer will have me ecstatic.
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Cougy_Monster
Cougarbib2 wrote:
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So MARS I will wger you a chocolate bar right here and now that this team will not score the 11-2 record Max Hall scored in his first year. I will go right out on a limb and call you on that right now. Wanna take me up? What is your prediction. I am not sayin it is impossible, just improbable. But they are still undefeated rightnow and 13-0 is also possible - but highly improbable. But 1984 was improbabl etoo and it happened.



So who knows what we have cookin for 2010. I can't wai tto see - but I am callin you out.



BYU will go between 6-7 and 10-3 at the absolute best. I am expecting 8-5 to 9-4 optimistically.



Go Cougs


I'll take you up on a little wager with the "loser" paying into the PEF or other official charitable entity. If you expect 6-7 to 10-3 lets settle in the middle at 8-5. We can take an 8:5 ratio for money per game and I pay $24 per loss and you pay $15 per win so at 8-5 our payments cancel and we each owe $0. (If $$ is tight we could lower the stakes to $8 and $5).



So, 8-5 record we break even: 8 x $15 = 120 and 5 x $24 = 120. 120-120 = 0.



7-6 record: I owe $144 (6 losses x $24) and you owe $105 (7 wins x $15). 144-105 = $39 so I give that much to PEF and you enjoy the thought that some student somewhere just got a $39 loan from the Church.



9-4 I owe $96 and you owe $135. 135-96 = $39 so you give that much to whatever.



10-3 record: your net loss (ie donation) is $78



5-8 record: my net loss is $117





Overall the numbers favor the person betting on more losses but the optimist gets the pleasure of knowing their money is riding the hopes of lots of wins.



If the Cougs go undefeated the PEF (or whatever you choose) gets a great boost from you: 13 x $15 = $195



If the Cougs lose every game I write a check for: 13 x $24 = $312





If you wanted to start at 9-4 I'd do that too (even taking on a 9:4 ratio and risking bigger payouts per loss). Hey, either the Cougs win and I'm happy or they lose and the PEF is happy. It's a win-win.
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BYU DUDE
Graham Watson also predicted Utah would beat BYU, and OSU would beat BYU she is a BYU hater along with Monson and Graham of 1280 the zone, that is why they like her so much.
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