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1 week = Jimmers back officially

by craigoscarson · 5/1/2010

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craigoscarson
For any of those peeps that are worried about the future of BYU hoops, it's in good hands.



May 8 is the day that Jimmer has to withdraw his name from the NBA draft.



Depending on the improvement of our young bigs, next years team could be the best in BYU history.
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Ddawg
This will be an awful week. All the waiting & nail biting. BYU sports has taken some hits lately. First Unga's loss, then Jimmer's possible departure, then Loyd's definite depature. What are they doing!!!! Just hope for the best - Jimmer tries the NBA water out & decides to return to the Cougar fold!! Another year of NCAA competition could only help him.
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Lawboy
Jimmer will be back. He is not an NBA 1st rounder next year. No worries at all.



Still think it was smart of him to put his name out there to get the benefit of the NBA scouts analysis. That will help him.
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Mars
Lawboy wrote:
Still think it was smart of him to put his name out there to get the benefit of the NBA scouts analysis. That will help him.

Not really. The NBA team scouts quit working out kids that they don't think are really entering the draft.
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Italics
BYU still has great potential next year, but losing Loyd was a huge blow. Granted, we did most of what we did in the regular season with little contribution from him, but it was Loyd who got us through some of our tougher games later in the season and in the post-season.
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craigoscarson
Italics wrote:
BYU still has great potential next year, but losing Loyd was a huge blow. Granted, we did most of what we did in the regular season with little contribution from him, but it was Loyd who got us through some of our tougher games later in the season and in the post-season.


Loyd leaving won't hurt a ton next season, but the season after that it will hurt tremendously.



I think many are going to be surprised by how well Kyle Collinsworth runs the team from the back up point. It's not like we have to have a scorer (though KC can score) from that position; we have others that can score and aside from Jimmer getting sick/tired, he doesnt' get in foul trouble.



The problem with MLJ leaving is next season we have no one that can play the point if KC goes on a mission; this likely means we cannot afford to redshirt ansor winder, because he'll need enough experience to run the team when the time comes.



The other possibilities are freshmen Ty Corbin, Brett Kingma or a JUCO recruit coming and running the point in '11; or KC postponing his mission to run the point.

Loyd would have been the man his senior year but the poor guy likes his pants on the ground....
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Mars
Italics wrote:
BYU still has great potential next year, but losing Loyd was a huge blow.

Granted, I'm sad to see Loyd go, but there are certainly worse things than losing a non-starter.
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CougarClaw
Italics wrote:
BYU still has great potential next year, but losing Loyd was a huge blow. Granted, we did most of what we did in the regular season with little contribution from him, but it was Loyd who got us through some of our tougher games later in the season and in the post-season.


I have to wonder how much of what we saw Lloyd do was what Tyler Haws did early in the season. Had several break-out games, defenders left him alone and he simply drained open shots. Then we saw defenses key in on him and watched his production sink for a few games while he and Rose tried to figure out how to break him out again.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember Lloyd's break out games being at the end of the season which doesn't leave a lot of film for teams to game plan for him. Granted having speed and versatility like that while trying to guard all the other weapons on our team make for a tough plan anyways, but how much of it was a surprise? I wouldn't be terrible shocked to find Lloyd go somewhere else without half the talent around him at BYU and struggle when Defenses put two and three men on lloyds drive.
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Mars
CougarClaw wrote:
I wouldn't be terrible shocked to find Lloyd go somewhere else without half the talent around him at BYU and struggle when Defenses put two and three men on lloyds drive.
I think Loyd left BYU because after 3 years, the fans still couldn't spell his name correctly.



Also, he had to get booted eventually for using the F-bomb on Facebook. That's against the honor code. :P
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Lawboy
CougarClaw wrote:
BYU still has great potential next year, but losing Loyd was a huge blow. Granted, we did most of what we did in the regular season with little contribution from him, but it was Loyd who got us through some of our tougher games later in the season and in the post-season.


I have to wonder how much of what we saw Lloyd do was what Tyler Haws did early in the season. Had several break-out games, defenders left him alone and he simply drained open shots. Then we saw defenses key in on him and watched his production sink for a few games while he and Rose tried to figure out how to break him out again.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember Lloyd's break out games being at the end of the season which doesn't leave a lot of film for teams to game plan for him. Granted having speed and versatility like that while trying to guard all the other weapons on our team make for a tough plan anyways, but how much of it was a surprise? I wouldn't be terrible shocked to find Lloyd go somewhere else without half the talent around him at BYU and struggle when Defenses put two and three men on lloyds drive.




I think that is just silly. Loyd is one quick player off the dribble, and can stick a jumper on your face too. He didn't leave BYU because he was a bad player. He left because he did not want to live the HC. The kid can play. I think that is just your blue goggles talking for you. His loss hurts the team next year because we lose his experience, his ability to break down a defense. No mistake about that.
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Ddawg
Lawboy wrote:
Italics wrote:
BYU still has great potential next year, but losing Loyd was a huge blow. Granted, we did most of what we did in the regular season with little contribution from him, but it was Loyd who got us through some of our tougher games later in the season and in the post-season.


I have to wonder how much of what we saw Lloyd do was what Tyler Haws did early in the season. Had several break-out games, defenders left him alone and he simply drained open shots. Then we saw defenses key in on him and watched his production sink for a few games while he and Rose tried to figure out how to break him out again.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember Lloyd's break out games being at the end of the season which doesn't leave a lot of film for teams to game plan for him. Granted having speed and versatility like that while trying to guard all the other weapons on our team make for a tough plan anyways, but how much of it was a surprise? I wouldn't be terrible shocked to find Lloyd go somewhere else without half the talent around him at BYU and struggle when Defenses put two and three men on lloyds drive.




I think that is just silly. Loyd is one quick player off the dribble, and can stick a jumper on your face too. He didn't leave BYU because he was a bad player. He left because he did not want to live the HC. The kid can play. I think that is just your blue goggles talking for you. His loss hurts the team next year because we lose his experience, his ability to break down a defense. No mistake about that.


Yes. Absolutely.
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CougarClaw
Mars wrote:
I wouldn't be terrible shocked to find Lloyd go somewhere else without half the talent around him at BYU and struggle when Defenses put two and three men on lloyds drive.
I think Loyd left BYU because after 3 years, the fans still couldn't spell his name correctly.





Thanks for correcting me about Llloyd. I'll get it right next time.
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CougarClaw
Lawboy wrote:
Italics wrote:
BYU still has great potential next year, but losing Loyd was a huge blow. Granted, we did most of what we did in the regular season with little contribution from him, but it was Loyd who got us through some of our tougher games later in the season and in the post-season.


I have to wonder how much of what we saw Lloyd do was what Tyler Haws did early in the season. Had several break-out games, defenders left him alone and he simply drained open shots. Then we saw defenses key in on him and watched his production sink for a few games while he and Rose tried to figure out how to break him out again.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember Lloyd's break out games being at the end of the season which doesn't leave a lot of film for teams to game plan for him. Granted having speed and versatility like that while trying to guard all the other weapons on our team make for a tough plan anyways, but how much of it was a surprise? I wouldn't be terrible shocked to find Lloyd go somewhere else without half the talent around him at BYU and struggle when Defenses put two and three men on lloyds drive.




I think that is just silly. Loyd is one quick player off the dribble, and can stick a jumper on your face too. He didn't leave BYU because he was a bad player. He left because he did not want to live the HC. The kid can play. I think that is just your blue goggles talking for you. His loss hurts the team next year because we lose his experience, his ability to break down a defense. No mistake about that.


I think Loyd's a great player and we'll certainly miss him; not sure where you got that I thought he was a bad player.



Don't you think it makes a difference who all five players on a team are and what might happen if he finds himself as a big fish in a little pond? I think defenses key in on him and production goes down, same as what happened with Haws (who I also think is a great player...)
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Mars
CougarClaw wrote:
Thanks for correcting me about Llloyd. I'll get it right next time.

Sorry if it appeared that I was calling you out specifically, my comment was mostly meant in jest. A lot of BYU fans get the spelling of his name wrong, as I used to frequently as well. It took me a year to figure out Abouo's last name as well.
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CougarClaw
Mars wrote:
Thanks for correcting me about Llloyd. I'll get it right next time.

Sorry if it appeared that I was calling you out specifically, my comment was mostly meant in jest. A lot of BYU fans get the spelling of his name wrong, as I used to frequently as well. It took me a year to figure out Abouo's last name as well.


It was funny. I had no idea I was spelling it wrong. As for AbooOH, I'm still working on it.
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SpiffCoug
Chad Forde on ESPN:



"I've assumed that Fredette would go back to school. Now I'm not so sure. He's been one of the few underclassmen to get a number of workouts this week. Why? It's a weak point guard draft. Scouts were intrigued by his play this season, and several teams' stat guys rank him as the No. 2 point guard in the draft. I've also gotten word that he has impressed people in workouts. I guess we'll find out Saturday if he was able to do enough to secure his status in Round 1."

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?name=nba_draft&id=5167551
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kitic77 wrote:
Chad Forde on ESPN:



"I've assumed that Fredette would go back to school. Now I'm not so sure. He's been one of the few underclassmen to get a number of workouts this week. Why? It's a weak point guard draft. Scouts were intrigued by his play this season, and several teams' stat guys rank him as the No. 2 point guard in the draft. I've also gotten word that he has impressed people in workouts. I guess we'll find out Saturday if he was able to do enough to secure his status in Round 1."

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?name=nba_draft&id=5167551


Ford repeats for emphasis in a chat



http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/32251


Josh (Provo)





Jimmer Fredette, he has had workouts with the Thunder and the Celtics, with two more in two days. If he stays in the draft, where will he go?



Chad Ford (2:00 PM)





He's been impressive. It's helped him that the teams that employ stat geeks are getting word back that Fredette ranks as the No. 2 point guard in the draft based on their modeling. I've also heard he's worked out really well. I thought he was a lock to return to school, but am not so sure now. If a team promises him a pick in the first round, he'll stay. We'll know for sure on Saturday. If he stays in the draft, some team enticed him to stay in.
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