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Utah to Pac 10 crap again

by jonnylingo · 4/20/2010

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jonnylingo
http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/message.html?id=5451439



So, I don't care to even think about it until something happens but one can't help wonder how this will all end up in the end.



I for one would hate to see byu and utah in different conferences. It is one of the best rivalries in sports and i would hate to see anything detract from that.
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Ddawg
Agreed - the BYU vs. Yewta rivalry is one of the great ones. That said - I'd kinda like to see them go - just so they could get pounded down to size & get a reality check.

They would be middle of the road team in the PAC-10 w/ a good year every now & then - just like the Arizona schools.
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jonnylingo
Ddawg wrote:
Agreed - the BYU vs. Yewta rivalry is one of the great ones. That said - I'd kinda like to see them go - just so they could get pounded down to size & get a reality check.

They would be middle of the road team in the PAC-10 w/ a good year every now & then - just like the Arizona schools.


Yes, that is true and I think BYU would continue to get national attention each year as a potential bcs buster. We would surely get to more bcs games to them assuming the general bcs landscape didn't change, which is looking more and more to be a bad assumption.



If the utes went to the pac10 and then mwc got an auto bid that would be good for us because we would be in the hunt every year for bcs auto bid where utah would not be.
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jonnylingo
Then news seems to be blowing up about expansion an realignment again.



College Conferences Ponder Expansion, and Their Extinction

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/20/sports/20colleges.html



As BCS commissioners meet, conference expansion is the subtext

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-bcs-20100420,0,7295932.story




College football sources told FOX 26 Sports on Monday that a major U.S. company was commissioned to find the best candidates to become part of the BCS.





The sources involved requested anonymity and asked that FOX 26 not divulge the company involved.



Sources told FOX 26 that the company developed a list of eight schools who are members of conferences not affiliated with the BCS that are the best candidates to make the move.



The list was read to FOX 26 in this order:



Boise State University, University of Utah, University of Houston, Texas Christian University, Brigham Young University, University of Nevada, University of Hawaii and Fresno State University


http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/local/100419-report-says-university-of-houston-a-viable-bcs-candidate
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Lawboy
The problem with all the conference realignment chatter is that it is driven solely by football. Except in the PAC-10 and Big 10, where university standing matters. That list the FoxNews posted did not account for Uni standing, believe me. No way Boise State gets in the Pac 10. No way. I think Utah and Colorado makes the most sense, but Colorado may not want that. And BYU to the Big 12, amongst a few other religious universities like Baylor, makes sense as well. I still hope Utah goes PAC 10 and BYU Big 12. Screw teh PAC 10. They are not a good fit culturally for BYU and we all know it. The Big 12 is.
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gmj81
The rivalry will still go on even if we are in separate conferences. It certainly would take a little heat off of it though if we weren't playing so many of the same teams year in and year out. There's smack week in and week out between Y and puke fans because of comparison between who scored more against AFA or UNLV, etc.



But hey, at least it would make one less non-conference game we'd have to schedule every year.
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Lawboy
Collin Cowherd was on KALL700 today apparently, as it is the local ESPN affiliate in SLC, and he said he expected this to happen by the end of this year. He thinks the Big 10 acts first and expands, and the PAC10 then follows. He also said he has spoken to 2 AD's in the PAC10 who say Utah is a natural fit for them. I think they all want Colorado as the other team.



Not sure what this will mean for BYU. It really depends on if any Big 12 schools head to the Big 10 or PAC10. If 2 do, I think BYU has a great shot, but if just one, TCU would seem to be the more natural fit.



All I can say is that if Utah heads to the PAC10 and TCU to the Big12, the MWC will then stink, even if Boise State gets added. Need a 3rd team, and sorry, but adding Fresno, Houston or Nevada won;t make their be 3 solid teams. BYU might be forced to go independent in football to schedule the games they need to get BCS worthy.
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bengel
If Utah were to go to the PAC 10, and BYU were to remain in the MWC, there is at least one possible positive. Post season, assuming the Cougars were not invited elsewhere, they would go to the Las Vegas Bowl, where they could beat the fourth or fifth place PAC 10 team, Utah.
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Mars


1- Colorado wouldn't join the PAC-10.

2- Utah and team X won't get 10 of 10 votes from PAC-10 chancellors.

3. The MWC, -Utah/TCU, +BSU/FSU/UNR/UTEP/UH is a big step up for my interest level.
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BerliNY
bengel wrote:
If Utah were to go to the PAC 10, and BYU were to remain in the MWC, there is at least one possible positive. Post season, assuming the Cougars were not invited elsewhere, they would go to the Las Vegas Bowl, where they could beat the fourth or fifth place PAC 10 team, Utah.


Very insightful.

Bowl Win Over Utah > Regular Season Win Over Utah?

I could buy that.

"Neutral" Field Wins are better for a more objective comparison between two teams. I like it.
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Lawboy
Mars wrote:


1- Colorado wouldn't join the PAC-10.

2- Utah and team X won't get 10 of 10 votes from PAC-10 chancellors.

3. The MWC, -Utah/TCU, +BSU/FSU/UNR/UTEP/UH is a big step up for my interest level.


Sorry, but conference depth gets hurt more by the loss of Utah and TCU, then helped by then adding BSU and any other school. No other WAC/C-USA school compares. Adding BSU is a positive for football, though.



Curious to see how the dominoes fall. It is clear that the Big 10 will be the conference to initiate what takes place, and by all accounts, they will act soon. The rest will then react.
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bengel wrote:
If Utah were to go to the PAC 10, and BYU were to remain in the MWC, there is at least one possible positive. Post season, assuming the Cougars were not invited elsewhere, they would go to the Las Vegas Bowl, where they could beat the fourth or fifth place PAC 10 team, Utah.


Silly Rabbit - don't you know that the whole reason :utard: wants to go to the Pac-10 is they know that's the ONLY way they'll EVER make it back to the Vegas bowl!



BTW - assuming :utard: does go the pac-0, I'm putting the over/under on the # of years it'll take them to become Washington State at 3.5. Place your bets now.
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Lawboy
If Utah goes PAC10, I'd put them on line with ASU, to be honest. Middle of the pack most years, with the occasional great run every 12 years or so.



I will say this though, if they go PAC10, and we don't get in a BCS league, I know it will cost us 3-5 recruits to the Utes each year who would rather play USC, UCLA, Washington, Cal, etc than UNLV, Wyoming, UNM. Wouldn't blame them either. And that will be the worst of of it should it happen. It could harm recruiting.
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Lawboy wrote:
I will say this though, if they go PAC10, and we don't get in a BCS league, I know it will cost us 3-5 recruits to the Utes each year who would rather play USC, UCLA, Washington, Cal, etc than UNLV, Wyoming, UNM. Wouldn't blame them either. And that will be the worst of of it should it happen. It could harm recruiting.


What are you talking about? If old Whittingham pulls the tired old "wouldn't you rather play USC than San Diego State" card...Mendenhall can just counter with "Well, ya, but WE have the Honor Code!"
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Y 4 Ever
FYI - just read on Ted MIller's ESPN chat "And in recent days, I've started to lean toward the idea the Pac-10 might not expand..."



He's hanging out at the BCS conferences - so he should know something.
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jonnylingo
I would like to see things stay the same for the most part and have mwc get an auto bid without having to add bsu. I think in that scenario both byu and utah just grow in their national stature and ability to compete with elite teams.



The only thing better than this would probably be having byu and utah go to the pac10. while we would struggle for a while i think byu would become upper tier pretty quick while utah would struggle. byu already competes with the pac10 school recruits and often wins. being a part of that conference would help hlep us more. i think we would be at least top 4 in the pac 10 year in and year out.



meanwhile utah would still be little brother but still get better.
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Mars
33311710 wrote:
What are you talking about? If old Whittingham pulls the tired old "wouldn't you rather play USC than San Diego State" card... Mendenhall can just counter with "Well, ya, but WE have the Honor Code!"

And he could also say "BYU has a great chance of going to a BCS bowl games every year. Utah, as a middle-tier PAC-10 team, does not". But it's been announced today that the PAC-10 ain't expanding this year, so who cares?
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Mars wrote:
What are you talking about? If old Whittingham pulls the tired old "wouldn't you rather play USC than San Diego State" card... Mendenhall can just counter with "Well, ya, but WE have the Honor Code!"

And he could also say "BYU has a great chance of going to a BCS bowl games every year. Utah, as a middle-tier PAC-10 team, does not". But it's been announced today that the PAC-10 ain't expanding this year, so who cares?

You know...as much as I would have hated to see :utard: join the Pac-0...it would have been nice to watch them slowly slip into obscurity as an "also-ran" every year as they and WSU competed for bottom place.
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