Class amongst the classless

Remember when it seemed we had threads on Weddle almost every week? A hate/love relationship you'd have thought he was a Cougar, not a Ute. Here's an article that reminds me of the things I liked about him, even as a competitor.



http://www.mormontimes.com/people_news/sports/?id=14004&preview=1



But I will always remember fondly how he was schooled by Harline in '06...



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This kind of crap has no place on Cougar Corner!



We don't want anything that even suggests that any player who is either currently wearing red, previously wore red, or thinks they are going to wear red are anything but despicable human beings.

Better dead than red. Teach your children. ;)

I thought it was a good article. Thanks for sharing.

33311710 wrote:
This kind of crap has no place on Cougar Corner!



We don't want anything that even suggests that any player who is either currently wearing red, previously wore red, or thinks they are going to wear red are anything but despicable human beings.

From "The Black Riders and Other Lines" by Stephen Crane:



In the desert

I saw a creature, naked, bestial,

who, squatting upon the ground,

Held his heart in his hands,

And ate of it.

I said, "Is it good, friend?"

"It is bitter -- bitter," he answered;

"But I like it

Because it is bitter,

And because it is my heart."



Not that this is you, of course, because I'm sure you were joking, at least in part.

I remember him sucking badly, getting way too much hype. I also remember his poor blocking skills (he tackles his own player). But the fumbles bounce his way...that's the spirit working I guess.

I'm just amazed that he could feel the spirit while attending the Evil Red Empire to the North. :evil: :evil:



Good for him.



After his baptism, he probably really wanted to come to the Y, but I figure he was man enough to honor his commitment and live by his given word. :whistle:

He's a good dude.

It's ok to like him because he's not a yewt anymore ... I think. Maybe he could do a master's at BYU or something so I can deal with this a little more easily.

BerliNY wrote:
It's ok to like him because he's not a yewt anymore ... I think. Maybe he could do a master's at BYU or something so I can deal with this a little more easily.

Nope, sorry, once dirty :utard: always a dirty :utard:



Or perhaps you prefer - you can take the Jock out of the :utard: but you can't take the :utard: out of the Jock.

33311710 wrote:
This kind of crap has no place on Cougar Corner!



We don't want anything that even suggests that any player who is either currently wearing red, previously wore red, or thinks they are going to wear red are anything but despicable human beings.

I guess people like David O. McKay, James E. Talmage, Harold B. Lee, Mark E. Peterson, Adam S. Bennion, Richard L. Evans, Gordan B. Hinckley, Thomas S. Monson, J. Reuben Clark (should the BYU Law School be named for a Ute?) Bruce R. McKonkie, Neal A. Maxwell, M. Russell Ballard, Henry B. Eyring, (all Apostles of the LDS Church) and many others, like former BYU President Merrill J. Bateman, and current BYU President Cecil O. Samuelson (also Seventys), don't qualify as despicable human beings because they were not players. All they did was attend the University of Utah.



Someone like Stephen L. Richards may be a despicable human being. He competed for the University of Utah on its debate team. Does that make him a "player?"



People like Joseph B. Wirthlin (aka Speedy), James E. Faust, Robert D. Hales, are, and can never be anything but, despicable human beings because they were athletes who competed for the University of Utah. BTW, one of my more memorable laughs in a Conference talk was Elder Writhlin's comment about his nickname. He said at that point in his life he didn't think he could win a race with any of the Twelve Apostles.



I know some of you will never see this, and others who will, don't believe I'm a BYU fan. I graduated with a BA and JD from BYU. I was on the wrestling team while an undergrad (never first in my weight class, just on the team). I cheer for the Cougars, watch them on TV, attend games when I can, follow them in the media and on the Internet (the source of the information on the people named above). I'm happy when they win and sad when they lose. I consider myself a fan. However, if being a BYU fan means hating anything and anyone associated with the University of Utah, then by that definition I'm not. Moreover, by that definition, I do not care to be.

bengel wrote:

This kind of crap has no place on Cougar Corner!



We don't want anything that even suggests that any player who is either currently wearing red, previously wore red, or thinks they are going to wear red are anything but despicable human beings.

I guess people like David O. McKay, James E. Talmage, Harold B. Lee, Mark E. Peterson, Adam S. Bennion, Richard L. Evans, Gordan B. Hinckley, Thomas S. Monson, J. Reuben Clark (should the BYU Law School be named for a Ute?) Bruce R. McKonkie, Neal A. Maxwell, M. Russell Ballard, Henry B. Eyring, (all Apostles of the LDS Church) and many others, like former BYU President Merrill J. Bateman, and current BYU President Cecil O. Samuelson (also Seventys), don't qualify as despicable human beings because they were not players. All they did was attend the University of Utah.



Someone like Stephen L. Richards may be a despicable human being. He competed for the University of Utah on its debate team. Does that make him a "player?"



People like Joseph B. Wirthlin (aka Speedy), James E. Faust, Robert D. Hales, are, and can never be anything but, despicable human beings because they were athletes who competed for the University of Utah. BTW, one of my more memorable laughs in a Conference talk was Elder Writhlin's comment about his nickname. He said at that point in his life he didn't think he could win a race with any of the Twelve Apostles.



I know some of you will never see this, and others who will, don't believe I'm a BYU fan. I graduated with a BA and JD from BYU. I was on the wrestling team while an undergrad (never first in my weight class, just on the team). I cheer for the Cougars, watch them on TV, attend games when I can, follow them in the media and on the Internet (the source of the information on the people named above). I'm happy when they win and sad when they lose. I consider myself a fan. However, if being a BYU fan means hating anything and anyone associated with the University of Utah, then by that definition I'm not. Moreover, by that definition, I do not care to be.

Dude....what are you, some hyper-sensitive little girl? I was KIDDING! Crap, some people...

Thanks for that reassurance. No, I'm not a hyper-sensitive little girl. I'm just someone who occasionally forgets Rule 6. Look it up in J. Reuben Clark, The Public Years.

bengel wrote:
Thanks for that reassurance. No, I'm not a hyper-sensitive little girl. I'm just someone who occasionally forgets Rule 6. Look it up in J. Reuben Clark, The Public Years.

Sorry, no time for that. Paraphrase it for me.

bengel wrote:

This kind of crap has no place on Cougar Corner!



We don't want anything that even suggests that any player who is either currently wearing red, previously wore red, or thinks they are going to wear red are anything but despicable human beings.

I guess people like David O. McKay, James E. Talmage, Harold B. Lee, Mark E. Peterson, Adam S. Bennion, Richard L. Evans, Gordan B. Hinckley, Thomas S. Monson, J. Reuben Clark (should the BYU Law School be named for a Ute?) Bruce R. McKonkie, Neal A. Maxwell, M. Russell Ballard, Henry B. Eyring, (all Apostles of the LDS Church) and many others, like former BYU President Merrill J. Bateman, and current BYU President Cecil O. Samuelson (also Seventys), don't qualify as despicable human beings because they were not players. All they did was attend the University of Utah.



Someone like Stephen L. Richards may be a despicable human being. He competed for the University of Utah on its debate team. Does that make him a "player?"



People like Joseph B. Wirthlin (aka Speedy), James E. Faust, Robert D. Hales, are, and can never be anything but, despicable human beings because they were athletes who competed for the University of Utah. BTW, one of my more memorable laughs in a Conference talk was Elder Writhlin's comment about his nickname. He said at that point in his life he didn't think he could win a race with any of the Twelve Apostles.



I know some of you will never see this, and others who will, don't believe I'm a BYU fan. I graduated with a BA and JD from BYU. I was on the wrestling team while an undergrad (never first in my weight class, just on the team). I cheer for the Cougars, watch them on TV, attend games when I can, follow them in the media and on the Internet (the source of the information on the people named above). I'm happy when they win and sad when they lose. I consider myself a fan. However, if being a BYU fan means hating anything and anyone associated with the University of Utah, then by that definition I'm not. Moreover, by that definition, I do not care to be.

Um... all of those people you mentioned.. the only reason that they were not translated was because they attended the :utard: - for although they were "good people" their school of choice kept them from obtaining perfection in this life. So I guess the U should change their slogan to “The U of U - keeping people here on earth since... (I don't know when it opened nor do I care to look it up)”





Oh, and I'm perfectly OK with your definition of fan, but it would be nice if you came off of your ivory tower occasionally and didn't snub your nose at those fans who believe being a true fan of your school allows you to turn a blind-eye to the accomplishments or positive aspects of your rival. It's all in fun. Don't take it too seriously ...this "I don't want to be you" (or, that kind of fan)" crap is self-righteous. Get over it.

bengel wrote:
Thanks for that reassurance. No, I'm not a hyper-sensitive little girl. I'm just someone who occasionally forgets Rule 6. Look it up in J. Reuben Clark, The Public Years.

Classic passive-aggressive "I'm better than you"



"Hey, look, I've read a book that you haven't so let me make a reference to it and have my own little private joke .... ha ha ha I love life in my ivory tower"

The Rule 6 reference is not unique to President Clark, though that reference is the first place I encountered it. Hence, my citation to it. You need not go to that source. You will find variations of it in a number of places. Any Internet search engine should find it for you.



Rule 6 advises, "Don't take yourself too g**-d*** seriously." If asked about the other rules, the answer is, "There are no other rules. Just Rule 6." There is, however, a corollary. Don't take anybody else too g**-d*** seriously either. Some of you appear to be ignoring the corollary.



About my life in the ivory tower. I'm a former Marine. Without divine intervention, I'd be a dead Marine. I'm a former prosecutor. I've written two briefs asking the Nevada Supreme Court to uphold a death sentence. I've been present during the autopsy of a murder victim, and dealt with a lot of unsavory people. I've sat across the table from a convicted murderer who, in another setting, said the biggest thrill of his life was hearing the death rattle of his victim, and that he wanted to hear it again. There was no light in his eyes. Looking into them was like looking into outer darkness. I've watched people die, including someone hit by two cars in a fatal auto-pedestrian accident. I've nearly lost my own life more than once. I've nearly lost a child. If all of that is life in an ivory tower, you can have it.

bengel wrote:
If all of that is life in an ivory tower, you can have it.

That's not life in an ivory tower. Life in an ivory tower is when you lose the ability to remember that others have had experiences as well. Maybe not the same as yours, but certainly similar, and just as impactful on their own life. Life in an ivory tower is when you believe that your life is superior to others and dismiss what they have to say as less -than - valuable.



Your experiences have undoubtedly shaped you to the person that you are today, but when you start dismissing others’ opinions and condescendingly saying that you would not want to be like them, then I’ll say that you’re coming across as a snob.

For my inability to discern that 33311710 spoke in jest, I apologize. That being said, I hope no one would want to be like someone who would make such a comment in all seriousness. Do those kind of fans exist? Ask those who have been injured or killed because they were fans of the "wrong" team. I request any further exchanges be made through private messaging.

As much as I hate the Yoots and agree with Max, I've always thought Weddle was a class guy. I hope he is successful in the pros. He could end up being a Cougar after all. You never know. Look at Jeff Judkins. Who would have thought he'd become a BYU guy? There are others, too.