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The QB Race is OVER!

by Mars · 3/24/2010

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Mars


At least according to the local media it is. They have already dubbed the new starter. The guy who will be taking over in 2010 for departed senior QB Max Hall is: None other than freshman Jake Heaps. All Hail The Annointed One!!



BYU quarterback battle: Is one separating from the pack? http://www.ksl.com/?nid=272&sid=10123776



" The players, however, are starting to see one player emerge. Senior Brian Logan, who received Sports Illustrated All-American honorable mention recognition as a junior, has defended against each of the quarterbacks so far in spring practice, and he said Heaps is starting to separate himself from the pack. "I'm really impressed with Jake and his arm, accuracy and just his decision making," Logan said. "Now I understand why he was the No. 1 quarterback coming out (of high school). And it shows. I'm just excited he's on our team." Pretty high praise from a defensive back who has defended the likes of TCU's Andy Dalton, NFL prospects Sean Canfield (Oregon State), Sam Bradford (Oklahoma) and his former teammate, Max Hall. So what is it that is so impressive about the true freshman? "I think just his poise," Logan said. "He doesn't seem like a freshman at all. He seems 10 steps above the game, maybe that he's a junior or a senior. He doesn't carry himself like he's a freshman, and I think that's what makes him stand out... I would just say that Jake stands out to me the most," Logan said. "I think his poise and his attitude make him stand out." ...Quarterbacks Coach Brandon Doman said.. he has also been impressed with Heaps. "Jake is just a young phenom. He's got a long way to go to be a college quarterback," Doman said. "But just to be able to come out in this environment and be as successful as he's been is really unique." Doman added that the reason Heaps has been so successful in camp is his natural ability to pass the ball. "He can drop back and launch the ball around the field, which the other two guys can't quite do it the way he does it. But they're still pretty adequate that way," said Doman before noting that the hype surrounding Heaps' recruitment was warranted. "I would say every minute in recruiting was worth it."



BYU football: Coaches like what they see from Jake Heaps http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700018926/Y-coaches-see-potential-in-Heaps.html?pg=2



" "Jake is far beyond his years. For an 18-year-old young man, he should be 18 right now, but he's not. He's acting like a 23-year-old veteran," said Doman. "That's very unique. That's his No. 1 strength right now — his maturity and confidence for how young he is. It allows him to succeed out there. He's also been trained well. Credit his coaches who have trained him through the years. He's got a long ways to go to understand the offense and efficiently move the team around," Doman continued, who didn't get his first start at quarterback at BYU until late in his junior season. "There's a lot of things we put on the quarterback. We're not going to decrease that for him. We'll still expect him to do all those different things that we need to happen for this offensive scheme to work.. We need to make sure that if Jake's the starter, that we're 100 percent confident that we're on our way to a championship with him." Just a little more than a week into spring practice, coach Bronco Mendenhall likes what he's seen from Heaps. "It's hard to remember sometimes that he's a true freshman," Mendenhall said. "He's a true freshman that's practiced with us five days. For him to be performing the way that he is, I've been very, very impressed. Not to say James and Riley aren't doing a good job. To me, just the thought that he's a true freshman and five practices in the spring and he has the poise and the confidence and execution that he has so far has been impressive." "



Heaps impresses again Tuesday http://www.deseretnews.com/blog/19/10008756/BYU-Cougars-blog-Heaps-impresses-again-Tuesday.html



" Freshman quarterback Jake Heaps looked like a seasoned veteran Tuesday, engineering an 83-yard touchdown drive in a two-minute drill. He completed 7-of-7 passes that culminated with a short touchdown toss to Spencer Hafoka. During that drive, he completed passes to O'Neill Chambers, Matt Marshall, Marcus Mathews, and McKay Jacobson. "



Spring practice report: Heaps shines again http://blogs.sltrib.com/byu/index.php?p=13204&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1



" The more the Cougars do their 11-on-11 scrimmages, the more a pair of freshmen stand out: Jake Heaps and Joshua Quezada. Heaps was nothng short of brilliant on Tuesday, going 7-for-7 for 83 yards in a two-minute drill. He completed passes to O’Neill Chambers, Matt Marshall, Marcus Mathews and McKay Jacobson on the drive and then threw a short TD pass to Hafoka. Seriously, Max Hall did it no better. Riley Nelson and James Lark mostly just handed the ball off when they got their turns, but Mendenhall said that was “really just coincidence” and that nothing should be read into the which plays are being called for which quarterbacks. “The plays being called [through six practices] have been almost identical for the three quarterbacks, other than a little bit more run stuff for Riley because that’s maybe a little bit more of his strength,” Mendenhall said. “Maybe it is just because of the success rate of the bigger plays downfield, that [Heaps] might get more of those [play] calls.” Still, if the starter had to be named right now, I would be surprised if it was not Jake Heaps. "
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BigCougsFan
Wahoo! Jake Heaps MWC offensive player of the year!!!



Oooppsss... May be premature. So, Jake Heaps FUTURE MWC player of the year!!!
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snoscythe
Missed one:


Brandon Doman said

If it's not about BYU, if it's not about this team and this place, they won't start," he said. "That would be the most important criteria. I don't care how good they are, or who they are, or if they're the best player out there. If it isn't about the team, they're not going to play. They know that. Secondly, if it isn't about the team, they'll transfer. We understand the stakes in that case. I've been there.


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700018631/BYU-football-Maintaining-unity-a-priority-for-Cougars.html
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BigCougsFan
snoscythe wrote:
Missed one:


Brandon Doman said

If it's not about BYU, if it's not about this team and this place, they won't start," he said. "That would be the most important criteria. I don't care how good they are, or who they are, or if they're the best player out there. If it isn't about the team, they're not going to play. They know that. Secondly, if it isn't about the team, they'll transfer. We understand the stakes in that case. I've been there.


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700018631/BYU-football-Maintaining-unity-a-priority-for-Cougars.html


All Jake Heaps preached during the recruiting season was how awesome BYU is, he did more recruiting than what any coach could ever do for the school he truly believed in! He's a true Cougar all the way through, he has been putting his team first before he even officially committed. There's no way he will change his mentality now that he's on the team especially as a freshman.
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snoscythe
BigCougsFan wrote:
Missed one:


Brandon Doman said

If it's not about BYU, if it's not about this team and this place, they won't start," he said. "That would be the most important criteria. I don't care how good they are, or who they are, or if they're the best player out there. If it isn't about the team, they're not going to play. They know that. Secondly, if it isn't about the team, they'll transfer. We understand the stakes in that case. I've been there.


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700018631/BYU-football-Maintaining-unity-a-priority-for-Cougars.html


All Jake Heaps preached during the recruiting season was how awesome BYU is, he did more recruiting than what any coach could ever do for the school he truly believed in! He's a true Cougar all the way through, he has been putting his team first before he even officially committed. There's no way he will change his mentality now that he's on the team especially as a freshman.


Actions speak louder than words, and Heaps didn't impress with how he handled the "voluntary" workouts by showing up late, skipping, opting out of conditioning exercises etc. Yeah, he said the right things, but he certainly didn't act like a team player early on. He's improved since then after an intervention by some of the elder statesmen on the team, but Heaps is still miles behind the other guys in earning the respect of his teamates and coaches as a leader.



Given that context, it's pretty apparent that Doman was speaking about Heaps. If it's not a concern (if your 'best' player is a unifier/team player), why would Doman make this comment?
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gmj81
Maybe Jake did or did not step out of line (nothing concrete has come, only rumor) but even assuming he did, I think a little latitude can be granted to a new guy in the program while the vets show him the ropes, especially given that he came in mid-year. And with regards to what Doman said, I don't know that anyone can say authoritatively that it was directed at Jake (especially since there's no evidence that Jake has ever been anything but a team player throughout his entire high school career and recruitment) but more likely just a blanket statement to all the young bucks that have been seeing some success that BYU is a team and that they shouldn't start expecting anything or stop busting their butt thinking they've made it. Probably in hopes of nipping any "OC-like comments" in the bud before they even enter their brains.



I've heard rumors from other people alluding to some "shortcomings" on Jake's part but I've spoken with at least two players who have said that Jake is the real deal and has a quiet confidence in his abilities but doesn't lack humility. And certainly most of the players who have been quoted have seemed to have had high praise for the new QB.
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scott715
I was wondering if he also will be hitting the recruiting trail. The kid can do it all it seems.
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Mars


Coming into Spring Camp, who did the media want to win the vacant QB starting position? The guy that would be the biggest story, draw the most fans, sell the most papers, etc. They wanted Jake Heaps. Who did the casual fan want? Jake Heaps, the #1 QB recruit in the nation. And you know that the boosters wanted Heaps to be the new starter. They help pay coaching and assistants' salaries so they'll recruit and so they'll win, and the boosters have to feel that they were halfway there when Heaps verballed.



Coaches who cross the media don't do well. Once the beatwriters turn on you it gets ugly quick- See: Crowton, Giacoletti, Boylen. Fans listen to the sports authorities on the radio and in the papers and writing the articles online. People who wouldn't get season tickets due to weak opponents might pony up to see the greatest freshman quarterback to ever take the field at Brigham Young University. Boosters might suspend donations if they have been led to believe by the media that Heaps is the clear-cut #1 guy, and the coaches surprise them and go with an unheralded kid. Bronco, Doman, and Anae seriously don't want that.



In reality, the QB competition is far from over. By all signs say, when the media picks a side, the competetition is close to being done. 80% chance right now the final guy slated to start against Washington, barring injury, is Heaps.
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Florwood
scott715 wrote:
I was wondering if he also will be hitting the recruiting trail. The kid can do it all it seems.


I know that's a joke, but I'm still wondering--can current players to anything towards recruiting? Other than giving prospective teammates kava when they come on their official visit, that is....?
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SpiffCoug
No, once a player is enrolled at a school they cannot "recruit" or contact potential recruits.
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Wickchad
Florwood wrote:
I was wondering if he also will be hitting the recruiting trail. The kid can do it all it seems.


I know that's a joke, but I'm still wondering--can current players to anything towards recruiting? Other than giving prospective teammates kava when they come on their official visit, that is....?


Zac Coley wasn't even allowed to talk to Austin about coming to BYU or it would have been a recruiting violation. Zac mentioned that in a post game interview on KSL when they asked if he was responsible for getting Austin to come to BYU instead of Stanford.
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WACoug
snoscythe wrote:
snoscythe wrote:
Missed one:


Brandon Doman said

If it's not about BYU, if it's not about this team and this place, they won't start," he said. "That would be the most important criteria. I don't care how good they are, or who they are, or if they're the best player out there. If it isn't about the team, they're not going to play. They know that. Secondly, if it isn't about the team, they'll transfer. We understand the stakes in that case. I've been there.


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700018631/BYU-football-Maintaining-unity-a-priority-for-Cougars.html


All Jake Heaps preached during the recruiting season was how awesome BYU is, he did more recruiting than what any coach could ever do for the school he truly believed in! He's a true Cougar all the way through, he has been putting his team first before he even officially committed. There's no way he will change his mentality now that he's on the team especially as a freshman.


Actions speak louder than words, and Heaps didn't impress with how he handled the "voluntary" workouts by showing up late, skipping, opting out of conditioning exercises etc. Yeah, he said the right things, but he certainly didn't act like a team player early on. He's improved since then after an intervention by some of the elder statesmen on the team, but Heaps is still miles behind the other guys in earning the respect of his teamates and coaches as a leader.



Given that context, it's pretty apparent that Doman was speaking about Heaps. If it's not a concern (if your 'best' player is a unifier/team player), why would Doman make this comment?


Me thinks he doth protest too much. :roll:
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Sno, I usually like your comments on this site, but you've only got half the story on this one. Jake was very sick the first week or two he was here. The kid could barely get out of bed. It had nothing to do with being lazy or entitled. The kid is a very hard worker and very mature for his age (If you haven't noticed, the players being interviewed seem to like Jake, like Brian Logan, Brandon Bradley, etc.). Doman absolutely loves Jake, so I'm not sure why you're making it sound like he doesn't. Doman just said yesterday that every second it took to recruit Jake was worth it. Honestly, I couldn't care less who wins the job. I want the best player to play and the coaches are going about it the right way by giving everyone a shot at it.
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scott715
Jake was worth any price. It is not just him but the other guys that he got to come here with him and the future kids we get the next four years (I expect Jake will be talking to kids who come on campusto visit) and if we get to the BCS while he is here there are other kids that will eventually come. You just can't put a price on it.
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CougarClaw
7/7 at practice? :bug: :bug:



game over. :crazy: we win. :utard: lose.
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QuarterbackU
regarding Doman's comment about being a team player: Max Hall was not really a great team player. Many people couldn't stand him. Alot of people wanted Cade Cooper to be the starter before he lis franc-ed the crap out of his ankle.



Max Hall completed 99.8% of his passes to Pitta and Collie his Junior year. I've heard Harvey didn't like Max and if you look at the stats from Max's senior year all of the sudden we don't check down to Unga in the flats, we check down to Pitta every chance we get.



I made my case a month ago about Heaps being that starter and that is what HAS to happen to move this program forward for many reasons folks and that is regardless of whether Heaps comes to voluntary workouts with the peasants. All Hail Jake Heaps.
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QuarterbackU
Let's have a toast with some Kava!
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SpiffCoug
QuarterbackU wrote:
regarding Doman's comment about being a team player: Max Hall was not really a great team player. Many people couldn't stand him. Alot of people wanted Cade Cooper to be the starter before he lis franc-ed the crap out of his ankle.



Max Hall completed 99.8% of his passes to Pitta and Collie his Junior year. I've heard Harvey didn't like Max and if you look at the stats from Max's senior year all of the sudden we don't check down to Unga in the flats, we check down to Pitta every chance we get.



I made my case a month ago about Heaps being that starter and that is what HAS to happen to move this program forward for many reasons folks and that is regardless of whether Heaps comes to voluntary workouts with the peasants. All Hail Jake Heaps.


Wow, I really don't even know why I'm taking the time to respond to you. But here goes. We get it. You have an agenda and anything less than Heaps being named starter, team captain and offensive coordinator tomorrow is simply the worst decision the coaches could ever make.



First, you know nothing about the Hall-Cooper situation. Cooper had his ankle completely shattered, it wasn't a lisfranc injury. Cooper then transferred and never stuck at any of the schools (yes he went to multiple ones) after BYU. And all the reports coming out of spring ball that year, while close, the race was not being won by Cooper.



Second your utter hyperbole of Hall throwing only to Pitta and Collie is simply laughable. Would like me to show you how much more effective Hall was throwing to those two guys than anyone else on the team and it wasn't even close. Unless you are suggesting that Hall was purposefully threw bad balls to fellow teammates in order to make his buddies look bad. That Hall was all about himself and his two cronies and not about BYU and winning and that somehow BYU coaches were okay with this.



And in case you missed it, we checked down to Pitta to the tune of a 10 win season and top 15 finish.



You unsuccessfully made the case for Heaps to start a month ago. What you did do was come here and propagandize the young man. He is NOT the greatest player to ever grace the campus of BYU. He may OR may not turn out to be a good quaterback. So far through all of five practices, it does look like he is on his way to being a good one.



But if his attitude is anything like yours and he believes his teammates are "peasants" then I don't want him as the QB of BYU and I bet a lot of the players won't either. Coaches can and will see that if a player thinks he's better than his teammates and they won't stand for it. QB is the single most teammate-dependent position there is. He can't do ANYTHING without the support of his teammates. And if he treats his teammates like "peasants" that will be exactly what will happen.



You really need to change your moniker because I don't think you know anything about the great history of BYU. Go back and read about the greats at BYU and how they had to fight and struggle to succeed in Provo and didn't have anything handed to them - let alone the starting job less than two months after joining the program.
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BigCougsFan
QuarterbackU wrote:
regarding Doman's comment about being a team player: Max Hall was not really a great team player. Many people couldn't stand him. Alot of people wanted Cade Cooper to be the starter before he lis franc-ed the crap out of his ankle.



Max Hall completed 99.8% of his passes to Pitta and Collie his Junior year. I've heard Harvey didn't like Max and if you look at the stats from Max's senior year all of the sudden we don't check down to Unga in the flats, we check down to Pitta every chance we get.



I made my case a month ago about Heaps being that starter and that is what HAS to happen to move this program forward for many reasons folks and that is regardless of whether Heaps comes to voluntary workouts with the peasants. All Hail Jake Heaps.


Really??? Did I miss something???
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Mars
kitic77 wrote:
You unsuccessfully made the case for Heaps to start a month ago. What you did do was come here and propagandize the young man. He is NOT the greatest player to ever grace the campus of BYU.

Name me a QB that has EVER been at BYU and looked like the clear-cut starter as a freshman 5 months before the first game tipped off- I don't think there is one!



I don't think Heaps will go undefeated his freshman year, in or out of conference. I don't think he'll win a conference championship. But I DO think he has a chance to go 11-2, get the team a Top 15 ranking, and be the BEST freshman quarterback BYU has ever seen.



It might not go down that way, but the potential is clear and people are excited. There's a train rolling through Provo right now, and you can hear the rumblings beginning through the media. There's no point standing on the tracks and trying to slow this puppy down, because it ain't slowin' any time soon...
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