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Connor Harding Enters Transfer Portal

by byufan4ever · 3/30/2021

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byufan4ever
https://www.vanquishthefoe.com/2021/3/29/22357562/byu-basketball-guard-connor-harding-enters-transfer-portal?force_isolation=true



Wow, what happened to him? He was a 4 star recruit out of HS. Played very efficiently as a Sophomore on a loaded team along with some good defense. I had tipped him to be THE guy this season. But he flopped. His offense sucked and was probably the worst amongst those that got significant PT and his defense took a step back too. Too bad. I wanted the Pocatello kid to succeed.



I wonder if Pope told him that he was not going to be part of his plans next year. Will be interesting to see where he goes and if his wife stays at BYU. To be brutally honest, she's the better player and much more important to her team.
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snoscythe
Not sure about your defensive analysis--when we needed someone to stop UCLA's Juzang, they looked to Harding and he did a great job in that role.
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Fido
Other players entering the transfer portal:

- G Jesse Wade (Junior, walk-on)

- F Kolby Lee (Junior)

- F Wyatt Lowell (Sophomore who came over from UVU)



Incoming players

- G Casey Brown (RM, walk-on, committed to Coach Rose in fall 2018)

- G Nate Hansen (RM, committed to Coach Rose in fall 2018)

- G Trey Stewart (RM, committed to Coach Pope in April 2019)

- F Fousseyni Traore (2020 class, Wasatch Academy from Mali)



This leaves 3 open scholarships (Barcello won't count against scholarship limit due to a free covid eligibility year, if he opts to stay) for use in the transfer market.
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jadesroom
What about the player from London Academy in Ontario?
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Fido
Ah....F Atiki Ally Atiki is an add for 2021. Cougs Daily currently says he has "not officially signed yet". But he is expected so should be added to the incoming list assuming everything goes through.

https://www.si.com/college/byu/news/updated-look-at-byu-basketballs-scholarship-situation



So that would leave 2 free scholarships for the transfer portal.



The article also notes that Brandon Averett sounded like he may not return but he later said he hasn't decided about using a covid year to play. If he does, he--like Barcello--would not count against the scholarship count for 2021.
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Fido wrote:

Ah....F Atiki Ally Atiki is an add for 2021. Cougs Daily currently says he has "not officially signed yet". But he is expected so should be added to the incoming list assuming everything goes through.

https://www.si.com/college/byu/news/updated-look-at-byu-basketballs-scholarship-situation



So that would leave 2 free scholarships for the transfer portal.



The article also notes that Brandon Averett sounded like he may not return but he later said he hasn't decided about using a covid year to play. If he does, he--like Barcello--would not count against the scholarship count for 2021.


Actually I think it is still 3, because I've heard that Coach Pope did not offer G Nate Hansen a scholarship. Maybe that has changed now, because up until this week there was no scholarship available for Hansen. Word is BYU is taking a hard look at both Grad Transfer- PG A.J. Lawson 6' 5" 215 and Fr- PG Mike Saunders Jr 6' 190. BYU recruited him a little out of Wasatch Academy along with Caleb Lohner, Richie Saunders, and Fousseyni Traore (also didn't get C Mady Sissoko 6' 9" 235/Michigan St).
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byufan4ever
snoscythe wrote:

Not sure about your defensive analysis--when we needed someone to stop UCLA's Juzang, they looked to Harding and he did a great job in that role.


He did well there, but there were plenty of other times this season where his man blew past him. And I never said his defense sucked, just that it wasn't as good as it was last season. Last season he was consistently a very good defender, probably the best on the team. This season as a whole I'd say his defense was between above average and good, but not good enough to get him more minutes on the floor and for Pope and Harding to want him to stay.
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Fido
It is possible that Nate Hansen doesn't get his scholarship honored by Pope (since he was offered pre-mission by Rose). From what I can derive on social media, it doesn't look like Hansen will be home from his mission until the late April/early May timeframe (Facebook posts say he will be home for about 2 months before his brother leaves in early July), so perhaps that is when things get sorted out regarding his status. But the consensus from several sources says there is 2 scholarships available for transfers, and maybe a 3rd depending on Hansen's status.



Interestingly enough--Hansen is the last holdover from that final signing class by Rose.



- Bernardo da Silva had some questions around his exams including his TOEFL scores and ended up signing at Hawai'i. He played in 25 games (starting 4) his freshman year and only played in 5 games in 2020, averaging just under 4 points/game for his career thus far.



- Shengzhe Li After being released by Pope, he committed to Oregon State, but does not appear to have ever made the squad or appeared in a game (at least not that I can find). His LinkedIn page says he has been the men's basketball team manager for the 2019 and 2020 seasons.
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GAKunkel
I figured Lee and Harding would be transferring. Both are losses.



Lee's mom was complaining on Twitter after the UCLA loss and, quite frankly, she had a point. Haarms was overrated and did little against UCLA.



Now, I will say Harding and Lee did benefit from a lot during the 19/20 season because of Haws and Toolson. Defenses were so keyed on Toolson and Haws it created a lot of open looks for Harding. Plus, Haws was a better PG than Barcello at creating for others. Lee benefited from this too.



Harding had his chances this season, though, and just wasn't shooting at the same level. His defense was solid.



Lee is a bigger loss. Who knows if Baxter will even be able to play next season and at what level. Hardward is solid but he'll need backup. Losing a big like Lee doesn't reflect well on Pope when it comes attracting other bigs. Bit of a black eye on Pope, IMO.
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jadesroom
GAKunkel wrote:

Lee is a bigger loss.


I haven't read or heard of anyone else sharing this opinion. Of the two Idaho players, I always felt Harding was the more important. But, then again, I knew Connor when I lived in Pocatello, and you follow Lee's mother on Twitter.



My perception is that the coaching staff feels the need to increase the athleticism on the team. I'm all in favor of it as long as they don't make the Gary Crowton mistake: Getting athletes while minimizing the honor code. I doubt Pope and the others will do this, but there is the temptation.
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Fido
Players' Moms complaining about their kids' playing time on social media is such an eye roll. Especially when it includes bashing the performance of one of their kid's teammates.
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GAKunkel
jadesroom wrote:


Lee is a bigger loss.


I haven't read or heard of anyone else sharing this opinion. Of the two Idaho players, I always felt Harding was the more important. But, then again, I knew Connor when I lived in Pocatello, and you follow Lee's mother on Twitter.



My perception is that the coaching staff feels the need to increase the athleticism on the team. I'm all in favor of it as long as they don't make the Gary Crowton mistake: Getting athletes while minimizing the honor code. I doubt Pope and the others will do this, but there is the temptation.


2019/2020 stats:

Lee - 17.3 min/game, 7 pts, 3.2 rebounds, 62% from the field, and 50% from three.

Harding - 22.6 min/game, 6.1 pts, 3.2 rebounds, 52% from the field, and 44% from three.



2020/2022 stats:

Lee - 10 min/game, 3.7 pts, 2.0 rebounds, 52% from the field, and 32% from three.

Harding - 21 min/game, 5.4 pts, 2.6 rebounds, 40% from the field and 32% from 3.



First, both players regressed this last season. As mentioned, I think this had a lot to do with the offense really not flowing like it did in 2020 with Haws and company. There was a lot of dribbling at the top of the key with Barcello and Avarette.



But from a statistic standpoint, in a per min basis, Lee is the better player than Harding. Course they play different positions and this is only offensive stats, but Lee is the better rebounder and shooter when looking things at a per minute basis.



Harding, came in highly rated. Lee did not.



If you look at Lee's numbers for this last season and double his minutes, assuming he produced at the same rate, his numbers would of been better than Harvard's and he would of been on par with Haarms.



Next season, we will have Harward at the 5 and Baxter. Baxter is more of a 4 than a 5. We will miss having Lee unless Pope can find someone better. We have plenty of shooting guards. Lee is the bigger loss.
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jadesroom
Harding and Lee were both equally herarlded coming out of high school. Each had led his team to the Idaho 5-A state championship, each was Idaho's Gatorade Player of the Year his senior year, each was the Idaho Statesman Player of the Year, and each was labeled a 4-star recruit by ESPN.



Insofar as this year is concerned, Lee's lumbering style makes him the more expendable. I remember watching him in the 5-A tournament his senior year and thinking that he reminded me of Jake Shoaf, good role player but nothing spectacular. I'm not saying that Lee isn't a loss, especially given Baxter propensity for injury. However, I still contend that Harding's leadership and athleticism make him the greater loss. The battle for playing time among the fours and fives will still be fierce next year. Lee is the odd-man out on a team that will feature Harward, Baxter, possibly Haarms (Conference defensive player of the year), Lohner, George, and Atiki.
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GAKunkel
Haarms is not coming back. Unless he changes his mind from a couple months ago, but he has said he wasn't taking the extra COVID year. Wants to go pro.



Lohner can't play the 5. George is more a 3 than a 4 and definitely not a 5. Atiki is raw and not a 5.



The only competition at the 5 next season is Harward and Baxter unless Pope goes out and gets another transfer. Baxter is a question mark. I'm not seeing a battle between the 5s.
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Fido
Connor Harding transfers to UVU.


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scott715
Makes perfect sense since his wife is on the women's team.
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SpiffCoug
I thought Harding was going to be used more like Jake Toolson was last year and was going to be finding himself with all kinds of open perimeter looks.
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GAKunkel
SpiffCoug wrote:

I thought Harding was going to be used more like Jake Toolson was last year and was going to be finding himself with all kinds of open perimeter looks.


The ball rarely went back out to the perimeter once it went to Haarms or Harward. Childs was great at recognizing the double and passing it back out to Toolson, Haws, or Harding.



Harding got a lot of wide open threes from the corner in 2020. Those weren't there this last season.
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E-Zone15
GAKunkel wrote:


I thought Harding was going to be used more like Jake Toolson was last year and was going to be finding himself with all kinds of open perimeter looks.


The ball rarely went back out to the perimeter once it went to Haarms or Harward. Childs was great at recognizing the double and passing it back out to Toolson, Haws, or Harding.



Harding got a lot of wide open threes from the corner in 2020. Those weren't there this last season.


I don't really think Haarms or Harward were poor at passing out of the post vs Childs.

2019-20

Childs- 19 games, 550 minutes, FG 175-305 (57.4%), 38 assists (assist per/ 14.5 minutes)

Haarms- 25 games, 577 minutes, FG 112-205 (546.%), 27 assists (assist per/ 21.4 minutes)

Harward- 27 games, 418 minutes, FG 65-108 (60.2%), 27 assists (assist per/ 15.5 minutes)



By far Childs got way more touches than either Haarms in the post. Haarms was used more in the pick and roll and Harward got a lot of his shots on put backs (45 O reb).



The only players who had more assists of the team this last season were:

Barcello 863 minutes (117), Averette 743 minutes (99), Harding 538 minutes (39), and Lohner 643 minutes (32). Other that had at least 10 assists: Johnson- 25, Knell- 25, Lee- 23 (only 250 minutes of PT), George- 10
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GAKunkel
Childs played 6 less games than Haarms but had 11 more assists than Haarms. If my math is right (it often isn't), the difference is 40% of Haarms assists. Again, that's with 6 less games.



If Childs played 25 games like Haarms did, his numbers indicate he would of dished out roughly 12 more assists on the season, putting his 25 game total to 50, nearly twice as many as Haarms.



Haarms and Harward were abysmal at passing the ball. The ball went in the middle and pretty much died. Neither Haarms not Harward did much with the ball down low. How many point blank shots did we see those two miss.



In general, ball movement wasn't that great with this last season. I have faith Pope will get it better next season.
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