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This woman never ceases to surprise me...

by gmj81 · 2/18/2010

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gmj81
with her ________ (fill in the blank). My choices would be ignorance/bias/lack of intelligence



http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/30927



She clearly doesn't follow the teams closely enough to provide any real substance, only keeps with her theory that BYU will "struggle to replace their QB" while "Utah is young and talented with Wynn at the helm who got great experience last year" (wow a whopping four games -- Ratliff also did pretty well the last couple of games in '05 because noone had any film on him but underperformed expectations once teams figured him out in '06) and "TCU will replace Jerry Hughes" even though she has no idea with who. She might be right on all accounts but she never provides any information to back her theories up.



But these parts was the best of this particular chat script:



Larry (Glendale, CA)



Do you think it is better for the Pac-10 to go after Rice and SMU rather than Utah and Colorado? Rice offers the Houston market and SMU offers the Dallas market. Both institutions have potential to grow in their athletic programs and offer the Pac-10 a pipeline to recruit in Texas. Rice is also widely known as a prestigious academic institution while SMU has the strong and rich alumni.



Graham Watson



Yeah, but Rice isn't consistent in any sport other than baseball and SMU just had its first bowl season since 1984. Neither one of those teams seem like attractive prospects. Besides, the Denver market would be a good get reginally for the Pac-10. Not sure Salt Lake is big enough, but I think with the LA market carrying everything, you can bite the bullet on that.





First of all, Colorado doesn't even come close to carrying the Denver market, not that Denver is all that much bigger than the SLC market anyway. But furthermore, anyone who follows recruiting knows that Utah has far surpassed Colorado as a recruiting hotbed. Every year, the state of Utah sends many kids out of state to top BCS contenders and fills many more teams with quality D1 players who don't always start right away but do eventually make handsome contributions.



Here's another gem:



Nick (Boise)



The addition of TCU clearly helped the MWC take a step forward in their quest for AQ consideration. With just Utah making BCS games every few years they weren't getting far... Now, if they added Boise State it would be almost impossible to deny the MWC AQ status with 4 consistent top 25 teams, who win BCS games and regularly beat upper echelon BCS teams. Shouldn't the MWC make a move now, especially with the prospect of losing Utah to the pac10... They should invite Boise State while the iron is hot.



Graham Watson



But see it from Boise's perspective... What is Utah AND TCU leave the conference? Well, the AQ bid is gone and Boise State is stuck. The timing really stinks on these announcements. There's a lot of speculation and Boise could make a terrible move if it goes to a MWC that's without TCU and Utah. Honestly, the MWC would only be slightly better than the WAC with a worse television contract.




Hahahahaha! First of all, either she hasn't done her research or she's just pimping her own employer. But the WAC's TV deal is nowhere near as good as the MWC's. The whole WAC splits about as much money from ESPN as one MWC team makes from their contract. Sure, ESPN reaches a lot more households but for one, the only team they ever televise is BSU (and extremely rarely on Saturdays mind you) and two, just because they are on doesn't mean people are watching. The WAC faces the exact same problem the MWC does... how to get people interested that don't have ties to their conference membership. The nation as a whole will tune in to the Fiesta Bowl to watch the 'underdog story' unfold but they aren't staying home the nights BSU plays during the regular season. In fact, very few schools have a national following like that save for the top 5 programs maybe in the country (Texas, Florida, OU, Ohio State, USC). Even the Notre Dame faithful have lost interest and continue to dwindle in number. You can bet they won't be getting another huge NBC contract any time soon, if ever, unless their coach (whoever it may be) can return them to national championship glory.



Finally, you know that even if Utah and TCU left the conference (the most unlikely combination to bolt IMO), more top WAC teams (kind of an oxymoron, i know) than just BSU would gladly leave the WAC to jump into the MWC so it would always remain significantly stronger than any other non-AQ conference. She obviously either hates BYU just because Cougar fans continue to check her on her "misinformation" or she actually really doesn't know the power and sway they hold. When we can draw 10-20,000K fans at every nearly road stadium we visit, you better believe our market is not defined by the Provo borders.
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Wickchad
My favorite is: SDSU has like 9 RB's...



And like they are really good, and like some people in our nation don't have maps, and like...
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SpiffCoug
gmj81 wrote:
First of all, Colorado doesn't even come close to carrying the Denver market, not that Denver is all that much bigger than the SLC market anyway. But furthermore, anyone who follows recruiting knows that Utah has far surpassed Colorado as a recruiting hotbed. Every year, the state of Utah sends many kids out of state to top BCS contenders and fills many more teams with quality D1 players who don't always start right away but do eventually make handsome contributions.


http://www.tvjobs.com/cgi-bin/markets/market2.cgi



Denver is quite a bit bigger than SLC. Denver is 16 and SLC is 21 in market size.
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Y&Brit
She's a nice person, but that's where it should end. She should realize that out of EVERY non BcS school, BYU is easily carrying the largest fan base, and therefore has lost most of her readers by her lazy work. She obviously doesn't care about quality, throughout the entire season she makes incorrect comments, assumptions, and predictions



Her readership will continue to decline as she puts so much work and effort in schools with little fan support-rice, utep, etc.



As for me, I never read her work(work may be too strong a word) anymore
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ABYUFAN
Wickchad84087 wrote:
My favorite is: SDSU has like 9 RB's...



And like they are really good, and like some people in our nation don't have maps, and like...




Did you want her to say "San Diego Americans have 'like - such as' 9 running backs." ;)
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Wickchad
ABYUFAN wrote:
My favorite is: SDSU has like 9 RB's...



And like they are really good, and like some people in our nation don't have maps, and like...




Did you want her to say "San Diego Americans have 'like - such as' 9 running backs." ;)


Question for Ms. Watson: "Recent polls have shown that 95% of ESPN analysts can't locate the non-BCS conferences on a world map. Why do you think this is?"



Ms. Watson's response: "I personally believe that U.S. American ESPN analysts are unable to do so because, uh, some people out there in our nation at ESPN don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, education like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the ESPN analysts, uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future, for our children...and San Diego State has like 9 running banks."
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redneckjedi
gmj81 wrote:



Graham Watson



Yeah, but Rice isn't consistent in any sport other than baseball and SMU just had its first bowl season since 1984. Neither one of those teams seem like attractive prospects. Besides, the Denver market would be a good get reginally for the Pac-10. Not sure Salt Lake is big enough, but I think with the LA market carrying everything, you can bite the bullet on that.




Sweet fancy Moses, she can't even spell? Sure, maybe it was a typo, but most browsers have a freaking spell check on them. If I were a journalist, and I were striving to cover my lack of intelligence by making blatant assertions with no basis in fact, I would at the very least make sure to figure out what the red squiggly lines under my butchered words meant.
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BroncoBot
redneckjedi wrote:



Graham Watson



Yeah, but Rice isn't consistent in any sport other than baseball and SMU just had its first bowl season since 1984. Neither one of those teams seem like attractive prospects. Besides, the Denver market would be a good get reginally for the Pac-10. Not sure Salt Lake is big enough, but I think with the LA market carrying everything, you can bite the bullet on that.




Sweet fancy Moses, she can't even spell? Sure, maybe it was a typo, but most browsers have a freaking spell check on them. If I were a journalist, and I were striving to cover my lack of intelligence by making blatant assertions with no basis in fact, I would at the very least make sure to figure out what the red squiggly lines under my butchered words meant.

redneck, what up? Good to see you around here.
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jonnylingo
kitic77 wrote:
First of all, Colorado doesn't even come close to carrying the Denver market, not that Denver is all that much bigger than the SLC market anyway. But furthermore, anyone who follows recruiting knows that Utah has far surpassed Colorado as a recruiting hotbed. Every year, the state of Utah sends many kids out of state to top BCS contenders and fills many more teams with quality D1 players who don't always start right away but do eventually make handsome contributions.


http://www.tvjobs.com/cgi-bin/markets/market2.cgi



Denver is quite a bit bigger than SLC. Denver is 16 and SLC is 21 in market size.


Hey, don't do that. he was just hitting his stride. I don't get the graham watson hate by byu fans. I don't think she is great, but the venom some byu fans is just wierd. No reporter is ever going to be as informed on a team as the die hard fans of that team, especially when its your job to basically cover like a thousand teams. Graham does her job, you just have to take her for what she is, the nonaq national football talking head. Thats it. Sometimes she gets it right, a lot of the times she doesn't. I have never understood why byu fans are so crazy about hating on her. She is not worse than say, gordon monson or kevin graham.
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jonnylingo
Y&Brit wrote:
She's a nice person, but that's where it should end. She should realize that out of EVERY non BcS school, BYU is easily carrying the largest fan base, and therefore has lost most of her readers by her lazy work. She obviously doesn't care about quality, throughout the entire season she makes incorrect comments, assumptions, and predictions



Her readership will continue to decline as she puts so much work and effort in schools with little fan support-rice, utep, etc.



As for me, I never read her work(work may be too strong a word) anymore


She doesn't care. espn pays her to cover 'those teams nobody cares about.' small potatoes to her and them. She is just waiting to 'graduate' to a better position.
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snoscythe
kitic77 wrote:
First of all, Colorado doesn't even come close to carrying the Denver market, not that Denver is all that much bigger than the SLC market anyway. But furthermore, anyone who follows recruiting knows that Utah has far surpassed Colorado as a recruiting hotbed. Every year, the state of Utah sends many kids out of state to top BCS contenders and fills many more teams with quality D1 players who don't always start right away but do eventually make handsome contributions.


http://www.tvjobs.com/cgi-bin/markets/market2.cgi



Denver is quite a bit bigger than SLC. Denver is 16 and SLC is 21 in market size.


I think you meant to say SLC is 31 in market size.
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SpiffCoug
snoscythe wrote:
gmj81 wrote:
First of all, Colorado doesn't even come close to carrying the Denver market, not that Denver is all that much bigger than the SLC market anyway. But furthermore, anyone who follows recruiting knows that Utah has far surpassed Colorado as a recruiting hotbed. Every year, the state of Utah sends many kids out of state to top BCS contenders and fills many more teams with quality D1 players who don't always start right away but do eventually make handsome contributions.


http://www.tvjobs.com/cgi-bin/markets/market2.cgi



Denver is quite a bit bigger than SLC. Denver is 16 and SLC is 21 in market size.


I think you meant to say SLC is 31 in market size.


Yes, correct. 16 is much bigger than 31 while only slightly larger than 21.
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Mars
jonnylingo wrote:
I don't get the graham watson hate by byu fans. I don't think she is great, but the venom some byu fans is just wierd. No reporter is ever going to be as informed on a team as the die hard fans of that team, especially when its your job to basically cover like a thousand teams.

Basically, she is famous for being horrifically stupid. Recently she put out a list of the "Top non-BCS teams to look out for in 2010", and had BYU down at #10 or so. That's just ignorant and lazy.
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gmj81
kitic77 wrote:
First of all, Colorado doesn't even come close to carrying the Denver market, not that Denver is all that much bigger than the SLC market anyway. But furthermore, anyone who follows recruiting knows that Utah has far surpassed Colorado as a recruiting hotbed. Every year, the state of Utah sends many kids out of state to top BCS contenders and fills many more teams with quality D1 players who don't always start right away but do eventually make handsome contributions.


http://www.tvjobs.com/cgi-bin/markets/market2.cgi



Denver is quite a bit bigger than SLC. Denver is 16 and SLC is 21 in market size.


I mentioned that it was bigger (by about 33%) but considering that Denver has multiple professional teams and no quality college programs (only mediocre ones), I really don't think that any one school is going to carry the market. Utah has the Jazz and that's it. And the only people who really like the Jazz are the native Utahns (I for one couldn't care less about them). Utah is becoming more and more a destination state for the LDS people which means the natives are becoming a smaller percentage of the population. College sports have long been the story in this state and have only strengthened their position as evidenced by the hate in the BYU/Yewtah rivarly. Everybody has to choose a side. In fact, many fans from each side will watch the rivals' games just to see them lose. You don't get that in Denver. The Buffs don't really bring anything to the table... not football, not basketball, not any sports really, no die hard fanbase... about the only thing they bring to the Pac-10 is another party (this is where the real "culture fit" comes in) and "research" school. They don't even rank ahead of BYU in the USNews College rankings so I love how they are considered "academically superior".
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gmj81
Dcr36 wrote:
Lark has really surprised a lot folks so far too.



Bottom line... whoever ends up starting is going to take us to another double-digit-win season.


I'm optimistic, but I don't understand THIS kind of optimism.



I'll be impressed if we go 2-3 against Wash, FSU, TCU, Utah, and our bowl game.



Definitely possible, but I'm not sure I'd consider it a lock.


10 wins still leaves room for those three losses you just pointed out. I'm willing to chalk up the TCU game as a loss right now. As for the FSU game, I give us slightly less than a 50% chance but come on... they're not that good. The rivalry is always a toss up but we lost a lot less than the pukes did and have a lot more talent ready to step in. As for UW, give me a break. There's no way we lose that game. I guarantee we win that one.
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Dcr36
Right, I said I would be IMPRESSED with 2-3, as in impressed with 10 wins. And while I do feel Washington is the easiest game on there, I'm also worried about it. Washington was so bipolar this last year (although their "shocking" victories were a lot less shocking in light of the Pac-10's weak bowl season).
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byutx
jonnylingo wrote:
gmj81 wrote:
First of all, Colorado doesn't even come close to carrying the Denver market, not that Denver is all that much bigger than the SLC market anyway. But furthermore, anyone who follows recruiting knows that Utah has far surpassed Colorado as a recruiting hotbed. Every year, the state of Utah sends many kids out of state to top BCS contenders and fills many more teams with quality D1 players who don't always start right away but do eventually make handsome contributions.


http://www.tvjobs.com/cgi-bin/markets/market2.cgi



Denver is quite a bit bigger than SLC. Denver is 16 and SLC is 21 in market size.


Hey, don't do that. he was just hitting his stride. I don't get the graham watson hate by byu fans. I don't think she is great, but the venom some byu fans is just wierd. No reporter is ever going to be as informed on a team as the die hard fans of that team, especially when its your job to basically cover like a thousand teams. Graham does her job, you just have to take her for what she is, the nonaq national football talking head. Thats it. Sometimes she gets it right, a lot of the times she doesn't. I have never understood why byu fans are so crazy about hating on her. She is not worse than say, gordon monson or kevin graham.

She IS worse that Monson and Graham.



That she put Dan LeFevre as the #1 top non-AQ player of the last decade reaches a level of idicoy beyond anything Monson, Graham, PK or even Hans Olsen or Kyle Gunther will EVER think, let alone say at any point in their respective lives. Ever.
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