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Four MWC teams in the dance

by CougarClaw · 2/16/2010

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CougarClaw
Espn is reporting BYU and New Mexico as locks for dancing even if they lose the rest of their games.



UNLV is a "should be in"



San Diego is a "work left to do"



Is there any way to root for four teams from the MWC to get in and still root for BYU?



basically I think it would come down to UNLV beating their bracket (including BYU) in the tournament to get to the finals, SDSU beating New Mexico in the tournament and then beating #25 UNLV. That means BYU loses early in the tournament =( , I think UNLV would be in after a later tournament run and an SDU win gets them in.



is there a better way to get four in?
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Schmoe
I'd much rather see BYU get the highest seed possible (ie win out) than see 4 MWC teams in the big dance. The reason: this is not football, and as long as you get into the dance you have a shot at the crown. And, although we depend on RPI and SOS somewhat, if we keep winning the regular season crown and dropping only a couple road games a year, I don't think we'll be kept out.
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CougarClaw
Schmoe wrote:
I'd much rather see BYU get the highest seed possible (ie win out) than see 4 MWC teams in the big dance. The reason: this is not football, and as long as you get into the dance you have a shot at the crown. And, although we depend on RPI and SOS somewhat, if we keep winning the regular season crown and dropping only a couple road games a year, I don't think we'll be kept out.


I agree but if the MWC continues to do well, let's see we perennially put four teams in the dance, that leads to more top -25 teams on our schedule which long-term means higher seeding.



Nothing but good comes from having four MWC teams dancing. Obviously, BYU comes first, but conference is still second.
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BroncoBot
UNLV might have just bit the dust. I still can't get over how they played in Vegas vs. BYU, and I still think the way that BYU played only added to their "hotness". That must have taken every last ounce of strength they had left to beat BYU. I think they are done. Put a fork in em.



I'm afraid that we are going to look back and wince when we see losses to Utah State and UNLV. At least both were away games. But those are not teams that should be beating us. They did, and I give them their due, but seriously BYU, why do you drop games like these (USU and UNLV)??? It's a head scratcher for me.



As the season wears on, it is starting to look like the UNLV loss is the worst one of the 3 losses. USU is playing pretty good ball at the moment.
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FurriousCougar
declocoug wrote:
UNLV might have just bit the dust. I still can't get over how they played in Vegas vs. BYU, and I still think the way that BYU played only added to their "hotness". That must have taken every last ounce of strength they had left to beat BYU. I think they are done. Put a fork in em.



I'm afraid that we are going to look back and wince when we see losses to Utah State and UNLV. At least both were away games. But those are not teams that should be beating us. They did, and I give them their due, but seriously BYU, why do you drop games like these (USU and UNLV)??? It's a head scratcher for me.



As the season wears on, it is starting to look like the UNLV loss is the worst one of the 3 losses. USU is playing pretty good ball at the moment.


True dat. BIG game going on right now with them vs. La Tech. A win would would all but cement their chances of winning the conference. I also love the ball UTEP has been playing lately - sooooo good for us. If they finished in the top 25 somehow - that'd be huge.
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Mars
declocoug wrote:
I'm afraid that we are going to look back and wince when we see losses to Utah State and UNLV. At least both were away games. But those are not teams that should be beating us. They did, and I give them their due, but seriously BYU, why do you drop games like these (USU and UNLV)??? It's a head scratcher for me.
What in the world are you talking about?



USU's RPI today: 45

UNLV's RPI today: 35



There's no point in complaining about these Top 50 road losses. Instead, I would celebrate our road wins over UTEP (RPI 55) and SDSU (RPI 37).
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BroncoBot
Ignore this.
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BroncoBot
Mars wrote:
I'm afraid that we are going to look back and wince when we see losses to Utah State and UNLV. At least both were away games. But those are not teams that should be beating us. They did, and I give them their due, but seriously BYU, why do you drop games like these (USU and UNLV)??? It's a head scratcher for me.
What in the world are you talking about?



USU's RPI today: 45

UNLV's RPI today: 35



There's no point in complaining about these Top 50 road losses. Instead, I would celebrate our road wins over UTEP (RPI 55) and SDSU (RPI 37).

What in the world are YOU talking about Mars? Where are you getting your rankings from? (actually I just found the poll you were talking about, it's only current through last Sunday. USU will pass UNLV in that poll next sunday when their newest ranking comes out) UNLV is getting a ton of love for their "big" wins and name recognition. They are not a good team, they are simply the MWC's basketball version of USC who will continue to get votes no matter how bad they are. Utah has proved this twice.





USU's RPI today- 36

UNLV's RPI today-44



Pomeroy's

USU 26

UNLV 48



CBS

USU 34

UNLV 44





And I'll continue to expect BYU (who if you haven't noticed was supposed to be the better team) to beat any team with a 30+ RPI thank you very much.
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SpiffCoug
declocoug wrote:
And I'll continue to expect BYU (who if you haven't noticed was supposed to be the better team) to beat any team with a 30+ RPI thank you very much.


So here are the teams you expect BYU to beat?! Wow, you've got extremely high expectations.



(rankings from realtimerpi.com)

1. Kansas

2. Duke

3. Kentucky

4. Syracuse

5. West Virginia

6. Villanova

7. Kansas St

8. Georgetown

9. Purdue

10. New Mexico

11. Baylor

12. Temple

13. Pittburgh

14. Wake Forest

15. Wisconsin

16. Vanderbilt

17. Texas A&M

18. Gonzaga

20. Tennessee

21. Cal

22. Butler

23. Northern Iowa

24. Michigan St

25. Xavier

26. Rhode Island

27. Texas

28. Georgia Tech

29. Richmond

30. Louisville.



While I grant you BYU "should beat" those teams ranked 20-30 and I think we'd do very well with teams 10-18, I certainly wouldn't "expect BYU to beat any team with a ... RPI" from 1-9. Or am I just reading way too much into your words? Because you seem to be saying that you would expect BYU to beat Kansas, Syracuse, Kentucky and Villanova - four teams that I think would absolutely kill BYU.
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FurriousCougar
kitic77 wrote:
And I'll continue to expect BYU (who if you haven't noticed was supposed to be the better team) to beat any team with a 30+ RPI thank you very much.


So here are the teams you expect BYU to beat?! Wow, you've got extremely high expectations.



(rankings from realtimerpi.com)

1. Kansas

2. Duke

3. Kentucky

4. Syracuse

5. West Virginia

6. Villanova

7. Kansas St

8. Georgetown

9. Purdue

10. New Mexico

11. Baylor

12. Temple

13. Pittburgh

14. Wake Forest

15. Wisconsin

16. Vanderbilt

17. Texas A&M

18. Gonzaga

20. Tennessee

21. Cal

22. Butler

23. Northern Iowa

24. Michigan St

25. Xavier

26. Rhode Island

27. Texas

28. Georgia Tech

29. Richmond

30. Louisville.



While I grant you BYU "should beat" those teams ranked 20-30 and I think we'd do very well with teams 10-18, I certainly wouldn't "expect BYU to beat any team with a ... RPI" from 1-9. Or am I just reading way too much into your words? Because you seem to be saying that you would expect BYU to beat Kansas, Syracuse, Kentucky and Villanova - four teams that I think would absolutely kill BYU.


I could be mistaken, but I think he meant teams 30-300 and whatever; not teams 1-30.
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BroncoBot
Exactly. 30+ would be any team with a rpi higher than 30. Those teams you listed kitic would be the cherry on top. Can't expect to win week in and week out against those teams of course.



But UNLV is 40+ in almost every poll and have suffered two losses to the utes. I fully expect BYU to beat them everytime.
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Mars
declocoug wrote:
UNLV is 40+ in almost every poll... I fully expect BYU to beat them everytime.

Why do you keep referring to the RPI as a "poll"? No one votes in it.
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Short_Change
declocoug wrote:
Exactly. 30+ would be any team with a rpi higher than 30. Those teams you listed kitic would be the cherry on top. Can't expect to win week in and week out against those teams of course.



But UNLV is 40+ in almost every poll and have suffered two losses to the utes. I fully expect BYU to beat them everytime.


BYU should beat every team that's ranked below them and everyone else that's ranked should beat those who are ranked lower. Truth is almost no one beats everyone they're supposed to in college basketball. Every good team has a bad shooting night or two and every middle to lower team can get hot and beat a very good team.
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BroncoBot
Mars wrote:
UNLV is 40+ in almost every poll... I fully expect BYU to beat them everytime.

Why do you keep referring to the RPI as a "poll"? No one votes in it.

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Short_Change wrote:
Exactly. 30+ would be any team with a rpi higher than 30. Those teams you listed kitic would be the cherry on top. Can't expect to win week in and week out against those teams of course.



But UNLV is 40+ in almost every poll and have suffered two losses to the utes. I fully expect BYU to beat them everytime.


BYU should beat every team that's ranked below them and everyone else that's ranked should beat those who are ranked lower. Truth is almost no one beats everyone they're supposed to in college basketball. Every good team has a bad shooting night or two and every middle to lower team can get hot and beat a very good team.

I don't buy that argument about UNLV vs BYU. UNLV is in BYU's head. For some reason utah can get the job done in Vegas but BYU (with the best team that they've had in years) can't.



And I never said BYU will win every game this season. UNM. Totally acceptable. USU understandable but I expected more. UNLV, also understandable, but UNLV just isn't that good, and it was a dissapointment. I've moved on, but what's wrong with expecting to win in Vegas? Do ya'll not expect to win?



Like I've said, I just want to see BYU come out fired up and win games vs. teams that have double (or 1/2- for Kitic ;))their RPI (in which no one is voting) and ranking (where people actually do vote). I don't see that being too terribly unrealistic as a fan. You could just water down those emotions and decide that it doesn't matter if you lose sometimes. I'm not willing to do that, especially with how good this team is.
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Mars
declocoug wrote:
Like I've said, I just want to see BYU come out fired up and win games vs. teams that have double (or 1/2- for Kitic ;))their RPI (in which no one is voting) and ranking (where people actually do vote). I don't see that being too terribly unrealistic as a fan.
I do- it's delusional and borderline insane. BYU has 3 losses, their best record ever at this point, all of their losses are against NCAA Tourny type teams, and you are STILL complaining. It defies logic.



Just... sad.
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Short_Change
declocoug wrote:
declocoug wrote:
Exactly. 30+ would be any team with a rpi higher than 30. Those teams you listed kitic would be the cherry on top. Can't expect to win week in and week out against those teams of course.



But UNLV is 40+ in almost every poll and have suffered two losses to the utes. I fully expect BYU to beat them everytime.


BYU should beat every team that's ranked below them and everyone else that's ranked should beat those who are ranked lower. Truth is almost no one beats everyone they're supposed to in college basketball. Every good team has a bad shooting night or two and every middle to lower team can get hot and beat a very good team.

I don't buy that argument about UNLV vs BYU. UNLV is in BYU's head. For some reason utah can get the job done in Vegas but BYU (with the best team that they've had in years) can't.



And I never said BYU will win every game this season. UNM. Totally acceptable. USU understandable but I expected more. UNLV, also understandable, but UNLV just isn't that good, and it was a dissapointment. I've moved on, but what's wrong with expecting to win in Vegas? Do ya'll not expect to win?



Like I've said, I just want to see BYU come out fired up and win games vs. teams that have double (or 1/2- for Kitic ;))their RPI (in which no one is voting) and ranking (where people actually do vote). I don't see that being too terribly unrealistic as a fan. You could just water down those emotions and decide that it doesn't matter if you lose sometimes. I'm not willing to do that, especially with how good this team is.


Who ever said that you said that BYU should win every game this season? UNLV has been great and not so great. You do know that UNLV beat Louisville at home and UNM on the road by 12, right?? Then they get beat by Utah twice. Both Utah and UNLV are a little bit erratic. Utah beat Illinois and killed Michigan. How they did that, beat UNLV twice, barely lost to UNM in OT and then lose to Seattle, Idaho, Illinois St. and CSU at home I don't know. I think Utah's two wins vs UNLV has more to say about Utah than UNLV. UNLV matches up well against us and they shot out of their minds good vs us. UNLV gets up for us and historically plays very well against us.
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BroncoBot
Mars wrote:
Like I've said, I just want to see BYU come out fired up and win games vs. teams that have double (or 1/2- for Kitic ;))their RPI (in which no one is voting) and ranking (where people actually do vote). I don't see that being too terribly unrealistic as a fan.
I do- it's delusional and borderline insane. BYU has 3 losses, their best record ever at this point, all of their losses are against NCAA Tourny type teams, and you are STILL complaining. It defies logic.



Just... sad.

ha. Sorry for being a fan. And apparently a sad one at that. What's sad is that BYU has the worst SOS in the top 25 and when they had the chance to win one of the big games on the schedule they looked like they were all playing in Jr. Jazz. or Jr. Kings for you Mars. I think it's great that BYU has such a great record, but they are still fighting for 1st place in MWC play and if BYU wins @UNLV they could have all but locked up 1st. Instead of making this season unforgettable, it has turned into a season of beating teams that they should and having some forgettable moments.



I'd be a lot happier with BYU's record (in football and basketball) if they could have pulled off the games they should have won. BYU vs FSU shouldn't have been a game in Provo. It should have been a massacre. BYU vs UNLV should have AT LEAST been a close game in vegas. Even your comments back that up ("best record, losses coming against NCAA tourney type teams, etc) Not sure why you're labelling what I'm saying as "complaining". I'm just pointing out that it's unfortunate BYU couldn't put up a fight against mediocre UNLV is all.



Which brings me back to my original point, and I'm sorry you used the wrong Rating Percentage Index Mars and ended up looked downright human for once while trying to use facts, but UNLV, not USU will most likely be the blackest mark on our schedule this year.
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BroncoBot
Short_Change wrote:
Short_Change wrote:
Exactly. 30+ would be any team with a rpi higher than 30. Those teams you listed kitic would be the cherry on top. Can't expect to win week in and week out against those teams of course.



But UNLV is 40+ in almost every poll and have suffered two losses to the utes. I fully expect BYU to beat them everytime.


BYU should beat every team that's ranked below them and everyone else that's ranked should beat those who are ranked lower. Truth is almost no one beats everyone they're supposed to in college basketball. Every good team has a bad shooting night or two and every middle to lower team can get hot and beat a very good team.

I don't buy that argument about UNLV vs BYU. UNLV is in BYU's head. For some reason utah can get the job done in Vegas but BYU (with the best team that they've had in years) can't.



And I never said BYU will win every game this season. UNM. Totally acceptable. USU understandable but I expected more. UNLV, also understandable, but UNLV just isn't that good, and it was a dissapointment. I've moved on, but what's wrong with expecting to win in Vegas? Do ya'll not expect to win?



Like I've said, I just want to see BYU come out fired up and win games vs. teams that have double (or 1/2- for Kitic ;))their RPI (in which no one is voting) and ranking (where people actually do vote). I don't see that being too terribly unrealistic as a fan. You could just water down those emotions and decide that it doesn't matter if you lose sometimes. I'm not willing to do that, especially with how good this team is.


Who ever said that you said that BYU should win every game this season? UNLV has been great and not so great. You do know that UNLV beat Louisville at home and UNM on the road by 12, right?? Then they get beat by Utah twice. Both Utah and UNLV are a little bit erratic. Utah beat Illinois and killed Michigan. How they did that, beat UNLV twice, barely lost to UNM in OT and then lose to Seattle, Idaho, Illinois St. and CSU at home I don't know. I think Utah's two wins vs UNLV has more to say about Utah than UNLV. UNLV matches up well against us and they shot out of their minds good vs us. UNLV gets up for us and historically plays very well against us.

That's all great (by the way, when was the last time you looked at how illinois, Louisville and Michigan are doing? And I'll let you in on a secret, just don't tell anyone around here- utah beat UNLV 2x because unlv just isn't that good :sulk: ).



I'll say it again. I expect a team as good as BYU is to win against the UNLV's out there.



Fans that don't expect that are what I find sad. (not saying that you are one of them S-C)
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