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Schwenke--Draw your own conclusion

by snoscythe · 1/29/2010

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snoscythe
Thought this deserved its own thread so it didn't get buried. Thanks to gmj81:


gmj81 wrote:
I pulled this from a post over on TBS but nothing in the post was protected information and it was so well-stated that I had to be bring it over:



Must read if you want to know why Bronco pulled the scholly

It's long so just read the highlighted part if you want the quick version.






“I just got a call back from Notre Dame and they confirmed that the offer was made, so we’re going to fly up there tomorrow afternoon,” Mr. Schwenke said. “We’re excited. I know Kona is also excited. We’re absolutely excited about the events over the past couple days and we’re looking forward to coming over there and seeing the school, meeting the coaches, as well as some of the faculty members.



“The history of Notre Dame, and everything about the school, being a parent has us excited. I remember watching some of the old Notre Dame games from way, way back and to get the opportunity to get an offer from Notre Dame is something that is beyond words for myself, and I know I can speak for my wide as well. We’re just excited to come up there and visit and check out the campus and check out the school. I know Kona is very excited as well.”



“Based on the conversations that we’ve had with the coaches, they’re very gracious and very accommodating to us, and it will be very exciting to meet them face to face,” the Mr. Schwenke explained. “I don’t doubt there is a lot of sincerity in their voices and that they’re caring people that want the best for our son. There’s nothing that I sense from our conversations that would make me feel otherwise. I felt really god about the conversations I’ve had with the coaches thus far.”

http://byu.scout.com/2/941589.html



"I'm really excited about coming up to Notre Dame and seeing their school," Schwenke said. "I've been pretty interested since Notre Dame came down to our school and talked to me. I'm real excited to come up there and see the campus."



"I just heard from Manti (Te'o) and Roby (Toma) that Notre Dame is a great place, and the school is great up there and the academics are good. I just heard from them, and my dad was just telling me about Notre Dame and how great it is because he's been following them. I'm just excited to come check it out."



http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf...ting/onthetrail







Now compare all of the quotes from up above with the ones down below. It starts to get really weird. The quotes on top happened before the quotes on bottom. Probably a couple of days between the two.







“We told Coach Mendenhall that Kona is 100 percent committed to BYU and that taking a trip to Notre Dame didn’t detract from his commitment, that he just wanted the opportunity to visit some friends,” informed Kona’s father McKay. “Kona has prayed about it and the answer he received was that BYU was the school he needed to sign with and I told Bronco that, so it’s hard for me to understand why he can’t take Kona’s word on this.”



“It’s an ugly side to BYU that we didn’t see until just this week and we’re extremely disappointed by all of this,” said McKay. “My son gave them his word and that still apparently wasn’t good enough. He wants to trip to Notre Dame and we’re going there because we believe that it’s not something that is disrespecting BYU by doing so. They told us that they would pull his offer if he goes to Notre Dame and hopefully they change their minds, but we don’t believe we’re doing anything wrong here. We were never told beforehand that we couldn’t trip to other schools if we wanted to keep our BYU offer, so them telling us so now that it’s so late doesn’t show a lot of trust in their part.”



“He still wants to go to BYU, even now, but he doesn’t feel that he should be treated this way by the coaches there,” summed up McKay regarding Kona’s mindset. “It’s truly an unfortunate thing, but all we can do is move on and decide between Notre Dame and Washington.”






Bronco aint no Dummy!!
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Blue_tooth
Interpretation: I still want to go to BYU, unless I like Notre Dame better.
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Mars


I like how the Schwenke's loved BYU so much that they passed on Washington's advances. :roll: Except for the fact that they had a recruiting trip to UW planned before they left for Notre Dame. This kid was visiting TWO schools the week before LOI day when he was committed to a 3rd. It's actually twice as bad as most people make it out to be.
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BroncoBot
It would have been great to land Kona. Certainly he is talented and could have been great at BYU. I DO NOT appreciate the way he went about the recruiting process.



I agree that the precedent has been set and recruits better know whether or not BYU is where they want to go LONG before signing a LOI. Don't wait till the week before and then start to waiver. Well played by Bronco. Let Kona walk on if he's really that committed. I'd be his biggest fan if he did that.
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bigbluepuma
Blue_tooth wrote:
Interpretation: I still want to go to BYU, unless I like Notre Dame better.

BINGO!
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bigbluepuma
declocoug wrote:
It would have been great to land Kona. Certainly he is talented and could have been great at BYU. I DO NOT appreciate the way he went about the recruiting process.



I agree that the precedent has been set and recruits better know whether or not BYU is where they want to go LONG before signing a LOI. Don't wait till the week before and then start to waiver. Well played by Bronco. Let Kona walk on if he's really that committed. I'd be his biggest fan if he did that.


Only slightly bigger than me.
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CougarPeasant
Let's see, BYU's been burned in the past on LOI by high caliber recruits. Bronco tells his recruits that once they verbally accept, anything actions that can be construed as casting doubt on that commitment will have consequences. Schwenke thought he was above Bronco's policy, called his bluff and lost his scholarship. I don't see how that's Bronco's fault or that Bronco was being "nasty."



What's unfortunate is that the Schwenkes can say whatever they want and Bronco cannot respond directly until after LOI day. This gives them the opportunity to cast BYU and Bronco in the worst light possible. How fair is that under NCAA rules?!!!
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BroncoBot
CougarPeasant wrote:
Let's see, BYU's been burned in the past on LOI by high caliber recruits. Bronco tells his recruits that once they verbally accept, anything actions that can be construed as casting doubt on that commitment will have consequences. Schwenke thought he was above Bronco's policy, called his bluff and lost his scholarship. I don't see how that's Bronco's fault or that Bronco was being "nasty."



What's unfortunate is that the Schwenkes can say whatever they want and Bronco cannot respond directly until after LOI day. This gives them the opportunity to cast BYU and Bronco in the worst light possible. How fair is that under NCAA rules?!!!

And the best part is, Bronco is going to take the higher road and won't say squat about what REALLY happened.
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clemdiggitydog1
I haven't heard McKay say anything that i would categorize as either agregious or inflammatory,rather he is the parent of a CHILD,who was gonna play football for us and,to his rather great suprise is now probably not.I'm not sure if most on this board were placed in his shoes they would come across anymore generous than he has thus far.Do you expect him to take Bronco's side in this?really?The kid was taking an allowable visit according to the NCAA.how is this a crime or a reason to castigate the kid or his family?
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ProV1
Kona's Dad wrote:
The history of Notre Dame, and everything about the school, being a parent has us excited. I remember watching some of the old Notre Dame games from way, way back and to get the opportunity to get an offer from Notre Dame is something that is beyond words for myself, and I know I can speak for my wife as well.


Well said. Maybe even way, way, way back to find a good team.
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clemdiggitydog1 wrote:
I haven't heard McKay say anything that i would categorize as either agregious or inflammatory,rather he is the parent of a CHILD,who was gonna play football for us and,to his rather great suprise is now probably not.I'm not sure if most on this board were placed in his shoes they would come across anymore generous than he has thus far.Do you expect him to take Bronco's side in this?really?The kid was taking an allowable visit according to the NCAA.how is this a crime or a reason to castigate the kid or his family?




Other then he is saying "I have seen the ugly side of BYU" very publicly in the media when he was the one encouraging his son to break his word to BYU. I think it kind of says a lot about the person.
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clemdiggitydog1
Let me make it clear that i am not saying that Bronco has said anything to castigate this kid or his family.he really would never have to though, as those on this board do it well enough for him.you don't think that someone saying to you that you doubt that their kid would be able to keep the HC,because he's tripping to ND,would get your ire up if the kid actually was 100% comitted,as he said?i think his verbiage was rather mild if this was the case,and you and I don't know that it wasn't.and before you or anyone accuse me of being a Yewt or something else outrageous,let me just say that I'm a Golden Cougar!! ;) :) ;)
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Brayden Green
I wish that people (the parents, in this case) just had more balls and owned up to things, and said things like they are. Everything has to be an "answer" to prayers. He received an answer to his prayer, but we are in open negotiations with other schools.



BYU is a fit, or it isn't. It clearly has nothing to do with "answers" to your prayers, as evidenced by your behavior. You do or don't want to come to BYU. I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY, just don't feed me some bull spunk story about how it is God's intention for you to wear blue - and verbal accordingly - and then



A) either lead ND on, and encourage them to waste their money/efforts so you can have a family vacation...



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B) Shop around. "It is clear to me that God wants me to fo to BYU." But I know better...



Too bad USC wasn't interested... You could have gotten a car or house out of it.



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Mars
clemdiggitydog1 wrote:
you don't think that someone saying to you that you doubt that their kid would be able to keep the HC,because he's tripping to ND,would get your ire up if the kid actually was 100% comitted,as he said?

What a load of bull. If he was 100% committed, he doesn't set up the N.D. and UW visits. If he was even 60% committed he doesn't go through with them. The kid lied to Bronco and his dad lied to the media.
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bigbluepuma
Did anyone who is still questioning this bother to read the commehts Schwenkes made after getting attention from ND? How much clearer does their message have to be?? :skeptic: :skeptic: They were absolutely giddy! Were they ever that giddy over BYU???? :skeptic: They would have taken the ND sales pitch like a bass that hadn't eaten in a week.
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clemdiggitydog1
Mars,you're always sure you've got the righteous answer.Let me remind you,just because you state things with more vehemence,over and over, it doesn't make you "righter'.and how's that Austin Collie judgement workin'out for ya?right again,never should have left for the NFL,the "traitor". :roll:
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BigCougsFan
bigbluepuma wrote:
Did anyone who is still questioning this bother to read the commehts Schwenkes made after getting attention from ND? How much clearer does their message have to be?? :skeptic: :skeptic: They were absolutely giddy! Were they ever that giddy over BYU???? :skeptic: They would have taken the ND sales pitch like a bass that hadn't eaten in a week.


I noticed that too! Pretty stoked to get that ND visit. It's Kona's call and no one else. He knows what's best for himself.
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Mars
clemdiggitydog1 wrote:
Mars,you're always sure you've got the righteous answer.

Dang, you called me righteous- what a put down!

If only I could always have the unrighteous answer...
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clemdiggitydog1
Mars,answer the queston.I want to read the words from your own keyboard,how devoid of all morality and judgement Collie was in leavin' early.
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Mars
clemdiggitydog1 wrote:
Mars,answer the queston.I want to read the words from your own keyboard,how devoid of all morality and judgement Collie was in leavin' early.
Because that has a lot to do with Schwenke. Also because I've never answered it before. :roll:



To me, leaving BYU early to play professional sports is a sign of disrepect and disloyalty that I would never do. I believe in being grateful in all things, and that includes scholarship money. But then again, I'm much more loyal than the average guy I guess.
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