Since people like to bash Sitaki's recruiting classes

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Unfortunately, it's still only good for a rank in the 70s--"star creep" in the rankings is a real thing--more kids are getting more stars than they used to.



Everyone else is having better composites, too.



Kalani is the worst recruiter BYU has had since pre-Lavell.

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snoscythe wrote:

Unfortunately, it's still only good for a rank in the 70s--"star creep" in the rankings is a real thing--more kids are getting more stars than they used to.



Everyone else is having better composites, too.



Kalani is the worst recruiter BYU has had since pre-Lavell.

LOL at using class rankings unless they don't favor your argument. Then there is ranking inflation. Got it. :lol:

Fido wrote:

Unfortunately, it's still only good for a rank in the 70s--"star creep" in the rankings is a real thing--more kids are getting more stars than they used to.



Everyone else is having better composites, too.



Kalani is the worst recruiter BYU has had since pre-Lavell.

LOL at using class rankings unless they don't favor your argument. Then there is ranking inflation. Got it. :lol:

You've completely misunderstood my post.



Talking about two different types of rankings--there is "star creep" in ranking recruits, which is leading to inflation in composite scores, that does not translate to school rankings.



Whether it's because high school players are more talented coming into college, or because recruiting services are being more generous in handing out stars, "star creep" is similar to inflation--higher percentages of recruits today are getting 5*, 4*, and 3* rankings than a few years ago (e.g. 24/7 sports rating them ~.8100 or better).



That means schools are getting better composite class scores (e.g. BYU's right now is 82.49), but their relative rankings compared to other schools are not necessarily improving (e.g., that 82.49 only gets BYU to a #78 ranking as of this morning).



Take a look at where an 82.49 would rank over the years:

2019 = #78, just below Maryland

2018 = #77, between La. Tech and Western Michigan

2017 = #56, between UCF and Memphis

2016 = #55, tied with Iowa State

2015 = #57, tied with Syracuse

2014 = #60, between Iowa State and Oregon State

2013 = #55, between BSU and USF



So, while BYU make have a better composite score this year, their ranking is actually worse than any since pre-Bronco. There are more available recruits with better talent levels, and BYU is not keeping up. It's relative. The same score that used to get you close to the top-50 today lands you closer to 100 and 23 spots lower in the school rankings.



It's like going to brag to someone from the 80's about making $100K a year with your job. Back then, it would have landed you in the top 20% of American earners. Today, you'd need to make $220K to keep pace and land in that same top 20%.



Yeah, Kalani has a deeper talent pool to recruit from and is posting his best composite score yet (82.49). Unfortunately, when you compare it with what everyone else is landing, the ranking (#78) plain sucks as the worst in over a decade.



I'm using class rankings the same I always have. Kalani is failing at "refilling the cupboard".

I like the two newest DB commits - Caleb Christensen and George Udo. They look like legitimate speedsters and athletes. These are the types that can really help our defensive scheme.



If we can grab a solid running back and may be another dlineman, this will actually be a solid class - despite fewer than 20 commits. The class boasts a great QB, good receiver, and solid oline; and good linebackers and defensive ends.

Looks like JC transfer Eric Ellison just committed to BYU too. All three of Christensen, Udo, and Ellison are fast and athletic. Not sure if Ellison will play DB or running back.

BYU has the #70 recruiting class last I saw. Behind such powerhouses as Western Michigan and Temple.

We have a small class so the rank is going to be low. Where would it be if it was full?

Are recruiting pool is what it is. We're a 50 to 80 school.We won't get much lower or higher. I used to get excited about recruiting, but most of our most=prized recruits have been busts. I would probably feel differently if Heaps, Apo, and the player who fought the guy wearing pink shorts at Beto's had worked out.

scott715 wrote:

https://247sports.com/college/byu/Article/BYU-football-recruiting-national-signing-day-2018-class-depth-builder-126569739/

This article says much of what I've been thinking. Highlights for me:



One year ago, on the first day of the new Early Signing Period, there was little to no momentum surrounding BYU football as the Cougars had just gone 4-9 and missed their first bowl game in 13 years and on the recruiting trail things weren’t much better as BYU lost out on commitments from Ale Kaho, Jaren Kump, and others. The 2018 recruiting class finished ranked as the lowest class since 2002 (first year of 247Sports rankings).



Fast forward to 2018, BYU is back in the post-season in a season where the Cougars saw a youth movement take place, even at their most visible position, quarterback. As Zach Wilson, who emerged from the class that didn’t receive high marks nationally, became a reason for hope for BYU football as they looked to put everything from 2017 in the rearview mirror.

****And even managed to hang on to those recruits (Conover, Roberts) that teams tried to poach like they did with Kaho, Kump, etc.



I also agree that depth is the biggest challenge in the program right now. The team needs "85 scholarship players that at a moment’s notice can be looked upon to contribute in games.

That simply hasn’t been the case the first three years under head coach Kalani Sitake and that’s the challenge...that face Kalani as he continues building back up a program to try and attain heights that they haven’t experienced in years."

Many of those who have transferred out in the last year or two have put up very meager stats in their time at BYU--some of whom included 3 or 4 years in the program. You can't afford to have scholarship players who can't fight their way onto the field or who get outplayed by walk-ons. This has created a bit of churn on the roster but I think is a healthy sign as young players who are stepping up and earning time are getting it.

Fido wrote:
I also agree that depth is the biggest challenge in the program right now. The team needs "85 scholarship players that at a moment’s notice can be looked upon to contribute in games.

Good thing his recruiting classes keep going from bad to worse. We'd really be in a pickle without recruiting classes ranked in the high-70s, low-80s to build that quality depth.



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