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BYU-Utah: A shootout?

by Yzzazz · 11/21/2018

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Yzzazz
I can't see ANY realistic scenario where BYU beats Utah in this game, but neither can anyone else. It reminds me of Week 3 where everyone, especially after Cal, was 100% sure that BYU couldn't win in Camp Randall. Oh if only...



Anyway. College football has a weird way of delivering what nobody expects, especially in rivalry games. So as I look at this year's matchup, I'm wondering, what are we all missing? I think we are missing the possibility that this game could become an offensive shootout and that the last team with the ball could win.



I don't bet on sports. But if I did, I'd take the over on this game, here's why:



1. What everybody "knows" about this game is that BYU's chances of keeping the game close depend heavily on BYU's defense, and since the BYU defense is actually reasonably good, maybe the game could be close, though Utah still wins.



2. The next point that everybody "knows" about this game is that Utah has a great secondary (the exception being the game-winning play by Wazzou) and even if Zach could somehow get some stuff in the air, that secondary will find a way to knock it down or pick it off, so conclusion--Utah wins.



Here's why both of those ideas are wrong--and not by just a little:



1. Corbin. Corbin is actually the reason BYU beat Wisconsin. Takitaki had a monster game, but it was largely because the badgers doubled on Corbin so much. When they didn't you heard his name. When Corbin played out of his most productive pass-rushing positions, BYU failed to get pressure on the quarterback. The result was Washington and Utah State. BYU's defense is 50% Corbin. With Corbin out, BYU's defense will simply not be able to get sufficient pressure and Utah will score at will. So I'd predict a blow out just over that factor alone. However...



2. Zach can run. So this seems like a small factor, but in the Boise game, it was huge. YUUGE! Only Zach's inexperience kept him from punching it over the line and winning that game in the end, but the primary reason he was able to be in the game at all was that he broke Bronco containment when he needed to. The big question is can he do the same against Utah? Depending on what Utah does, he may not need to.



Washington Huskies blitzed with abandon against Tanner and he was never able to punish them for doing so. They took the lazy way out and simply stuffed the box and dared Tanner to beat them downfield. Thing is, I REALLY hope Utah decides to do this. Because Zach can do what Tanner didn't, quickly find an open man in a seam, I think stuffing the box and working to stop the run will not pay out for Utah and Zach will burn them. The teams will trade scores, Utah will have to take more risk, and the next thing you know, a shootout is in progress.



But I'm guessing Kyle's not that stupid. If he were, we'd have found a way to win at least once in the last seven games. So while his DC surely blitz strategically and lean towards run defense, it won't be all that. This opens an opportunity for Katoa and Hadley. To be sure, these guys are not top shelf runners and they need the O-line to do some of the work or they've got next to nothing they can give, but in recent weeks, the O-line run blocking has improved. Not just the last two either. Against Boise State they run game did deceptively well. A couple big sacks made it look less impressive, statistically, than it was.



Truth is, even with Utah at their best, Hadley (an extremely strong runner, have you noticed?) and Katoa (whose got some speed but needs to work on his angles and cutbacks) will get yards. Why? Because Zach can, and will occasionally, run. This will keep those Utah linebackers honest and allow an extra half second for the other two to find a hole. If Zach can shake loose and pick up ground yardage, then BYU will have the opportunity to keep Utah guessing. The more BYU is able to stay with Utah, the more risk the Utah team will have to take, and by the end of the game, both teams could be in the high 20s or thirties.



If this sounds crazy to you, then it proves my point. This is what most people DON'T expect about the outcome, therefore the betting line is likely to have priced down the predicted total (44 points) If BYU were within a touchdown of Utah, and the total points scored were 40, then you're talking about Utah 21 BYU 17. In my mind, there's no way BYU holds Utah under 24 points. So if you believe the line (44 total points) then you'd have to look at the possibility that Utah could beat BYU 35 -7. That sounds about what you'd expect to happen, worst case scenario, right? You're hoping it's only 21-7 or 21-14. You're counting on the idea that BYU could have this awesome defense--but if so, you're counting on Corbin playing. Not going to happen.



I think BYU wins only if they take Utah to an overtime period by tying with a score higher than 25 and that they win it by something that looks like a fluke (doink anyone?). So I still see a chance of winning as very remote. But I see the chances for a lot of offense at better than average.
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BoiseBYU
Your posts are always thoughtful. Thank you.
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Guest
Excellent post, as BoiseBYU said. Thoughtful. I hope we have a chance.
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El Guapo
An offensive shootout??? All we could muster against NIU's 27th ranked D was 6 points at home but somehow this could be a shootout at Utah against arguably the best D we'll see all year? A freshman QB with no run game behind him and mediocre receivers is going to light up Utah in their own crib when the Utes only allowed 18 ppg in the PAC 12??? The odds of that happening are slim to none. Our local high school teams could probably drop 30+ points on Hawaii, UMass and New Mexico State - against good D's this year, what have we done to instill optimism that we can score on the Utes?
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TulaneVandyRiceCoug
I have to agree. I think BYU's offense CAN move the ball, but I feel a lot of doubt that they will.
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frdbtr
The ONLY chance BYU has in this game is to win a low scoring close game. There is no possible way we win in a shootout. Sorry Yzzazz, I hate to disagree with you so much and I love your optimism, it is refreshing even though it is misguided. ;)
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scott715
Well if we are living right, magic will happen.
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KingCoug
It's supposed to be a crappy weather on Saturday. Hopefully it will help us more than it did Colorado.
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TulaneVandyRiceCoug
The key to this game is for Zach Wilson to channel his inner Kyle Shurmur.



The Vanderbilt QB, when faced with a 4-6 record going into last week against Ole Miss, did enough to pull off the OT win. They were 5-6 heading into the final game with Tennessee.



Today, he threw 31/35 for 367 yards and 3 TDs. The first incompletion came with about 2 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. Vandy beat Tennessee to finish 6-6 and go bowling.



Play like THAT, young man and we beat Utah.
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frdbtr
TulaneVandyRiceCoug wrote:

The key to this game is for Zach Wilson to channel his inner Kyle Shurmur.



The Vanderbilt QB, when faced with a 4-6 record going into last week against Ole Miss, did enough to pull off the OT win. They were 5-6 heading into the final game with Tennessee.



Today, he threw 31/35 for 367 yards and 3 TDs. The first incompletion came with about 2 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. Vandy beat Tennessee to finish 6-6 and go bowling.



Play like THAT, young man and we beat Utah.


Well, he's off to a great start.
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Mars
This game WAS a close shoot-out. Incredible.
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frdbtr
Only because the defense stayed in the locker room at half time.
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snoscythe
frdbtr wrote:

Only because the defense stayed in the locker room at half time.


...and the offense.
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frdbtr
snoscythe wrote:


Only because the defense stayed in the locker room at half time.


...and the offense.


The offense went into run out the clock mode. I don't agree with it but they did, especially after the pick 6. The offense, technically didn't need to score any more points, the defense needed to do its job and keep the utes from scoring points. They didn't, they gave up TD drives on every ute possesion from mid way 3rd quarter on.
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KingCoug
frdbtr wrote:


frdbtr wrote:

Only because the defense stayed in the locker room at half time.


...and the offense.


The offense went into run out the clock mode. I don't agree with it but they did, especially after the pick 6. The offense, technically didn't need to score any more points, the defense needed to do its job and keep the utes from scoring points. They didn't, they gave up TD drives on every ute possesion from mid way 3rd quarter on.


While it would have helped to score more in the second half, the offense had given the defense a 20 point cushion. While there is plenty of blame to go around, it would fall on the defense more than the offense. And I'm talking coaches, not players.
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Mars
Both the offense and the defense abandoned aggressive football to play conservative, prevent schemes. Which is classic Kalani at this point. And both failed miserably, helped out by terrible clock management. Two more classic Kalani effects.
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snoscythe
Mars wrote:

Both the offense and the defense abandoned aggressive football to play conservative, prevent schemes. Which is classic Kalani at this point. And both failed miserably, helped out by terrible clock management. Two more classic Kalani effects.


After the half, Kalani didn't play to win. He played to not lose.



He failed with that worse than he's failing at recruiting...he's losing another batch of big-time contributing Bronco recruits this offseason (Takitaki, C. Kaufusi, Shelton, Lapuoho, Matt Hadley, Brayden El-Bakri, Squally).



Who is he going to replace them with if he keeps delivering #80+ recruiting classes?



We just saw how great the team can be next year after Kaufusi, Hadley, and Canada all were out for the 2nd half Saturday night...
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Mars
Katoa and Isaiah Kaufusi were young guys who would have helped enormously by being healthy. Romney too.
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frdbtr
Players getting injured was never an excuse that the fanbase allowed for Bronco so Kalani doesn't get it either. The fact that important players left the field injured is an excuse. We had a 20 point lead and blew it, that is all that matters. If BYU had better coaching, there is no way we lose that lead and the game.
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1967cougar
frdbtr wrote:

Players getting injured was never an excuse that the fanbase allowed for Bronco so Kalani doesn't get it either. The fact that important players left the field injured is an excuse. We had a 20 point lead and blew it, that is all that matters. If BYU had better coaching, there is no way we lose that lead and the game.

Especially since the team we played was using their 2nd string QB and 2nd string RB, the starters having been lost due to injuries.



We always seem to use the "injury" excuse for our team, never pointing out that the opposing team deals with injuries also.
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