The team hasn't quit

A few posters are declaring that the team quit and that justifies firing the coaches. I disagree, I don't think the team ever quit, I don't think they ever started. This thing was a disaster from the Portland state game. I was more angry after the Portland state game than I have been at BYU football since BYU lost to Wyoming 10-13 (I think) under Crowton. The team has never been physical on either side of the ball, the team has never played hard on either side of the ball. Even in the UNLV win we had Shumway casually catch a perfectly thrown deep ball 1 foot out of bounds and he didn't even seem pissed or embarrassed at himself. I am sure that the coaches will get another year so I expect to see another lazy and uninterested team next year too. This is beyond frustrating. I wonder if BYU will average 40k fans in the stands next year if we don't see major change.

Yep. I think the coaches and players knew back in August that this season was lost. We never showed any heart in any game. I've never felt that BYU played hard in any game. I think we've been going through the motions for for 3 months now.

I get the impression Kalani thought showing up and having fun with his bros would somehow translate into wins. He was wrong.

And hire who? I keep asking the question and I never get a realistic answer. Ken Niumatalolo and Andy Reid are not walking through the door and I've never heard of Lance Anderson ever being mentioned. So who exactly do you think BYU is bringing in to clean this mess up?



Let's see who wants to walk into a program who just had there worse season since 1955 and oh yah let's not forget recruiting restrictions, budget restrictions, no conference, a huge pain dealing with the honor code and traditionally very very cheap when it comes to coaches pay.



Despite what we all want to think there is not a long list of qualified candidates busting the door down waving there temple recommend in the air saying hire me hire me I want to fix this dumpster fire. All the while having there hands cuffed and an honor code commity ready to jump and discipline the players for having there hair a quarter inch too long.

frdbtr wrote:

A few posters are declaring that the team quit and that justifies firing the coaches. I disagree, I don't think the team ever quit, I don't think they ever started. This thing was a disaster from the Portland state game. I was more angry after the Portland state game than I have been at BYU football since BYU lost to Wyoming 10-13 (I think) under Crowton. The team has never been physical on either side of the ball, the team has never played hard on either side of the ball. Even in the UNLV win we had Shumway casually catch a perfectly thrown deep ball 1 foot out of bounds and he didn't even seem pissed or embarrassed at himself. I am sure that the coaches will get another year so I expect to see another lazy and uninterested team next year too. This is beyond frustrating. I wonder if BYU will average 40k fans in the stands next year if we don't see major change.

You need a mood stabilizer. I actually think you greatly dishonor the players who have played hard. Your hyperbolic nature all-or-nothing rants seem to be a display indicating that no one is listening to you anymore and so you need to amp up the reasonable concerns and anger to theridiculous and juvenile. You can complain all you want about the coaches, but have some class, grow a pair, and quit dissing on the players who have tried very hard.

Our players look like they lack heart. Our coaches seem to find losing amusing.



I think Ken or Lance would take the job, if offered.

a1247 wrote:

And hire who? I keep asking the question and I never get a realistic answer. Ken Niumatalolo and Andy Reid are not walking through the door and I've never heard of Lance Anderson ever being mentioned. So who exactly do you think BYU is bringing in to clean this mess up?



Let's see who wants to walk into a program who just had there worse season since 1955 and oh yah let's not forget recruiting restrictions, budget restrictions, no conference, a huge pain dealing with the honor code and traditionally very very cheap when it comes to coaches pay.



Despite what we all want to think there is not a long list of qualified candidates busting the door down waving there temple recommend in the air saying hire me hire me I want to fix this dumpster fire. All the while having there hands cuffed and an honor code commity ready to jump and discipline the players for having there hair a quarter inch too long.

Oh, I don't know. lets take a shot at someone. This staff is a mess. Practically anyone could do better. Lance Anderson was interested when the job was open last time, maybe he would be again. His defenses at Stanford are pretty good, maybe he could translate that into being a good HC like Bronco did.

One of the huge benefits that Bronco had was being an assistant under the HC at BYU for a while. BYU is such a unique place, and coaching at BYU even more so, that having some experience seeing those issues and formulating a strategy to address them--before actually needing to do so--was a huge benefit. I think that has been overlooked.



LaVell had that benefit as the DC coaching under Hudspeth. Bronco had that as the DC under Crowton. Both were successful.

Neither Hudspeth nor Crowton nor Sitake had that benefit. All of them had poor showings.



Yeah, it's just a correlation, and the sample size is small, but it's a perfect correlation.



To me, that indicates that elevating Steve Kaufusi or perhaps bringing back Nick Howell might be possibilities. I'm not saying that the current staff should go, but if they do, we should pay attention to what has worked at this uniquely challenging institution.

a1247 wrote:

And hire who? I keep asking the question and I never get a realistic answer. Ken Niumatalolo and Andy Reid are not walking through the door and I've never heard of Lance Anderson ever being mentioned. So who exactly do you think BYU is bringing in to clean this mess up?



Let's see who wants to walk into a program who just had there worse season since 1955 and oh yah let's not forget recruiting restrictions, budget restrictions, no conference, a huge pain dealing with the honor code and traditionally very very cheap when it comes to coaches pay.



Despite what we all want to think there is not a long list of qualified candidates busting the door down waving there temple recommend in the air saying hire me hire me I want to fix this dumpster fire. All the while having there hands cuffed and an honor code commity ready to jump and discipline the players for having there hair a quarter inch too long.

To borrow a rejoinder from another poster in another thread: Who is going to do any worse?

I'd be ok making a huge pitch for Lance Anderson at Stanford or Darrell Bevell w/ the Seahawks.



I'd even like to think BYU would reach out to Steve Sarkisian.

CrimsonCoug wrote:

One of the huge benefits that Bronco had was being an assistant under the HC at BYU for a while. BYU is such a unique place, and coaching at BYU even more so, that having some experience seeing those issues and formulating a strategy to address them--before actually needing to do so--was a huge benefit. I think that has been overlooked.



LaVell had that benefit as the DC coaching under Hudspeth. Bronco had that as the DC under Crowton. Both were successful.

Neither Hudspeth nor Crowton nor Sitake had that benefit. All of them had poor showings.



Yeah, it's just a correlation, and the sample size is small, but it's a perfect correlation.



To me, that indicates that elevating Steve Kaufusi or perhaps bringing back Nick Howell might be possibilities. I'm not saying that the current staff should go, but if they do, we should pay attention to what has worked at this uniquely challenging institution.

You want the guy that thought "Casting Shadows" was a good enough defensive idea to effectively kill our defense for an entire season... That guy to be the head coach?



I'm just at a loss for words.

I’d take Steve Sarkisian as an OC in a heart beat, and I think Ty could be a great QB coach. Lance Anderson as the head man makes sense. I won’t be buying season tickets next year. This was my first year and my wife considers it a huge waste of money. It would have been much cheaper to stubhub every game.

Brayden Green wrote:

One of the huge benefits that Bronco had was being an assistant under the HC at BYU for a while. BYU is such a unique place, and coaching at BYU even more so, that having some experience seeing those issues and formulating a strategy to address them--before actually needing to do so--was a huge benefit. I think that has been overlooked.



LaVell had that benefit as the DC coaching under Hudspeth. Bronco had that as the DC under Crowton. Both were successful.

Neither Hudspeth nor Crowton nor Sitake had that benefit. All of them had poor showings.



Yeah, it's just a correlation, and the sample size is small, but it's a perfect correlation.



To me, that indicates that elevating Steve Kaufusi or perhaps bringing back Nick Howell might be possibilities. I'm not saying that the current staff should go, but if they do, we should pay attention to what has worked at this uniquely challenging institution.

You want the guy that thought "Casting Shadows" was a good enough defensive idea to effectively kill our defense for an entire season... That guy to be the head coach?



I'm just at a loss for words.

Yeah, I was never a fan of Howell. I'm just saying that some OJT would be helpful at a place like BYU. I do think that Howell learned from his time as the DC. The basic principle of casting shadows wasn't awful--get tall defensive ends to clog passing lanes up closer to the QB. It was overly relied on, though, forgetting that D Linemen also had to use their hands to fend off O Linemen.



But no, I wouldn't be wild about Howell. Kaufusi would be a better fit (not saying he's the best, just that his experience at BYU would be beneficial).

CrimsonCoug wrote:

CrimsonCoug wrote:

One of the huge benefits that Bronco had was being an assistant under the HC at BYU for a while. BYU is such a unique place, and coaching at BYU even more so, that having some experience seeing those issues and formulating a strategy to address them--before actually needing to do so--was a huge benefit. I think that has been overlooked.



LaVell had that benefit as the DC coaching under Hudspeth. Bronco had that as the DC under Crowton. Both were successful.

Neither Hudspeth nor Crowton nor Sitake had that benefit. All of them had poor showings.



Yeah, it's just a correlation, and the sample size is small, but it's a perfect correlation.



To me, that indicates that elevating Steve Kaufusi or perhaps bringing back Nick Howell might be possibilities. I'm not saying that the current staff should go, but if they do, we should pay attention to what has worked at this uniquely challenging institution.

You want the guy that thought "Casting Shadows" was a good enough defensive idea to effectively kill our defense for an entire season... That guy to be the head coach?



I'm just at a loss for words.

Yeah, I was never a fan of Howell. I'm just saying that some OJT would be helpful at a place like BYU. I do think that Howell learned from his time as the DC. The basic principle of casting shadows wasn't awful--get tall defensive ends to clog passing lanes up closer to the QB. It was overly relied on, though, forgetting that D Linemen also had to use their hands to fend off O Linemen.



But no, I wouldn't be wild about Howell. Kaufusi would be a better fit (not saying he's the best, just that his experience at BYU would be beneficial).

Fair enough. I don't want Howell. I didn't see enough to warrant a comeback, but that's just me. <shrug>

Cougarfan87 wrote:

I’d take Steve Sarkisian as an OC in a heart beat.

Problem is, during that heart beat, he'd have done two shots.



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snoscythe wrote:

I’d take Steve Sarkisian as an OC in a heart beat.

Problem is, during that heart beat, he'd have done two shots.



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I don't think Sark dealt well with the stresses of the High profile HC jobs that he had and that led to him becoming an alcoholic. According to what I have read he cleaned himself up and is now back into coaching. The only problem with Sark, IMO, is there is no way we could afford him. He is probably making more as an Ocoordinator right now than our HC makes. If we were somehow able to coax him back to BYU it would be a coup of major proportions.